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Got a Baby? Back of the Plane! Parents Outraged over “Baby Ghettos”

Posted by monica bielanko on November 17th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
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My daughter's first flight at 6-months-old.

Parents are apparently outraged over some airline seating policies that force babies to the back of the plane, in effect, creating a “baby ghetto.”

Outraged? Ya think?

What is with people? Seriously. Hey, jerk-off! You were a baby once. So were you! And you, and you, and you. Don’t want to listen to a baby fuss? Purchase a private flight or else shut up. You think you loud-talking on your cellphone is any less offensive?

But wait, I’m getting ahead of myself.

Apparently airlines are forcing babies to the back of the plane. In some cases, families are even being split up, Yahoo reports, leaving little kids in middle seats next to strangers unless other passengers will swap seats.

Michael Lyon tells Yahoo he checked his reservation for a flight to Bangkok on United Airlines several times to make sure his families’ seats were all set. When he checked in his family was split up. His 6-year-old son was moved to the back of the plane for the 13-hour flight and Lyon was told there was nothing that could be done about it.

After dealing with several “hostile” employees, Lyon made a supervisor find two seats together so he could sit with his son. A United gate agent told Mr. Lyon there were no seats and nothing could be done. He protested, ultimately getting a supervisor who found two seats together so he could sit with his son. “Not only did the United gate staff not seem to understand the importance of having him next to us, they were hostile,” Mr. Lyon said.

Teresa Toth-Fejel, mom to a 1-, 2- and 6-year-old has been told by AirTran that if she wants seats together with her kids she should pay extra for reserved seat assignments.

Babble’s own Sierra Black experienced the same thing last year.

I’m sorry, but this is absolute crap. There is NEVER a time when a parent should be forced to sit away from their child. EVER. And they shouldn’t have to pay extra for the “privilege” of sitting with family members.

Back of the plane? That sounds awfully similar to back of the bus. Do I need to book a flight and pull a Rosa Parks? Because I’ll do it, I swear to God, I’ll do it. Not sitting next to my 2-year-old is not an option, period, and you forcing her to sit with a stranger is discrimination, plain and simple. I don’t give jackcrap about your “policy.” My parental policy is to STAY WITH MY CHILDREN AT ALL TIMES WHILE IN PUBLIC PLACES, ya dig?

As Babble’s Meredith Carroll said to me, “It’s not like I am thrilled about flying with children any more than the people who have to sit next to us, but it has to be done sometimes.” Right. And flying with children is already hard enough without the added stress of worrying if you’re going to be able to sit with your children. And it ain’t like airlines are making it any easier on parents:

Several airlines, including American and United, don’t let travelers add children flying free on a parent’s lap to reservations online. Instead, they must call the airline or get an airport agent to add a lap child to their reservation. Southwest Airlines requires taking a lap child to a ticket counter with a birth certificate on the day of travel to verify the child is younger than 2 years old.

The plane’s configuration can also affect placement. On smaller regional jets, for example, some rows don’t have an extra oxygen mask to be used on an infant traveling on an adult’s lap. That means someone who reserved a seat and has a lap child must be relocated, splitting up a family.

I know! I’ll upgrade to first class to avoid being sent to the back of the plane. But wait, I can’t do that on Malaysia Airlines, which, this past summer, decided to ban babies from first-class cabins. Airlines are turning into a caste system, treating rich first-class passengers like royalty while kicking middle-income families to the curb. For example, most airlines don’t let families with kids board first anymore. Guess who goes first now? First class and frequent fliers. And, as reported on Yahoo, “In June American stopped letting parents check jogging strollers, non-collapsible strollers or strollers heavier than 20 pounds at the gate. United already bans gate-checking strollers that don’t collapse.”

What is going on? Do you think all these policy changes including “baby ghettos” are fair? What would you do if an airline tried to separate you from your toddler?

 

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“What is with people? Seriously. Hey, jerk-off! You were a baby once. So were you! And you, and you, and you. Don’t want to listen to a baby fuss? Purchase a private flight or else shut up. You think you loud-talking on your cellphone is any less offensive?”

YES to this. People don’t seem to realize they are just as annoying as a crying baby. They need to have a “jerks only” section in the back.

The one time I flew with my twins, they were 6 months old. Neither one of them cried at all in 12 total hours of flying. I felt very lucky, because it was really just luck (and more or less continuous nursing) that made their trip so quiet. Did that stop us from getting dirty looks for even daring to bring babies anywhere? No.

Manjari commented on Nov 17 11 at 5:57 pm

The thing about the extra oxygen masks only on one side of the plane confuses me. Not that they only have them on one side, that’s fine. But I have my reservation WITH LAP INFANT and yet, when choosing my seat there is NO indication which side I needed to sit on. I had to call to check.

Considering the trouble I’m going to in order to make sure I have the least intolerable seat for the flight(s), I’ll be pretty miffed if I get there and am “resigned.”

Meagan commented on Nov 17 11 at 5:59 pm

I don’t have a problem with putting babies in one part of the plane. That’s completely reasonable. But the families with kids should be allowed to board first to make sure they get seats together.

G commented on Nov 17 11 at 6:51 pm

I don’t think I’d mind being near other parents and kids — at the very least, I’d get fewer nasty looks and more sympathy than I often do when flying with my kids! But there is NO WAY I would be ok with being separated from my kids, and the “pay more for reserved seats” thing really is discriminatory against families. But if everyone else out there seems to hate kids, I suppose expecting airlines to be nice is too much …

Jeannie commented on Nov 17 11 at 6:58 pm

I agree with Jeannie and G, I wouldn’t mind sitting at the back of the plane with my child. In fact, when we were younger, my mother insisted on getting seats at the back of the plane, she said it was safer (?). But really, there’s no way I’d be okay with them reassigning my kid’s seat so that I couldn’t sit with her! She’s still a lap child, so it’s good to know about the oxygen masks, I had no idea…
My husband’s parents live quite far away from us, so we have a fair number of plane rides ahead of us. Stories like this just add to my dread of flying with a baby/small child.

Shelagh commented on Nov 17 11 at 9:26 pm

A couple Christmas trips ago, our flight got cancelled and when frontier rebooked our flights automatically they rebooked our 3 yo son on a flight by himself 12 hours after us. We were told we would owe a change fee and difference in fares to move him to our flight, and he would only be standby. Finally after an hour we got to talk to someone who realized we needed our son on our flight and she made it happen. We also ha e held up several flights because airlines changed our reserved seats and moved our kids. They said they had to move our kids for other families which needed to stay together. It didn’t fly with us, and we held up the departure til our kids sat with us. I hate flying nowadays.

El commented on Nov 17 11 at 10:50 pm

This summer my son and I were flying across country. It was when the tornado was hitting the East Coast and we were held up in Orlando. A bunch of us were all in the waiting area together and a family with 7 children was sitting near us. I heard the father talking to the mother about their seat assignments and while there was only one row separating them, he was concerned about how one of their children would handle the separation. I heard him mention their rows and we were in the row in between. I asked him whether it was a-c seats or the d-f and it happened to be ours. I told him I would trade with him to keep the family together and they were very appreciative. Also, at the time of booking my reservation, there were no two seats together available. I chose to not even reserve the seats and spoke with the desk at check-in to make sure my child and I sat together. They had no problem rearranging seats to accomodate us! Love JetBlue! It was four flights in total and there was never any mention that I might have to consider sitting away from my child. This shouldn’t be a concern for any parent traveling as the travel alone can be stressful enough!

LogicalMama commented on Nov 17 11 at 10:55 pm

Flights should definitely have “baby sections”, where families with kids of troublesome ages have to sit. But, of course they should have the option of sitting together.

Even better would be to have some flights that ban kids altogether so that anyone who doesn’t like having kids on their flight has that option.

I’d feel much less guilty when flying with my crying kid in those cases. And when I travel alone for business, you know I’d be taking the no-kids flight.

Gib commented on Nov 17 11 at 11:31 pm

Did you seriously just compare this to the plight of African-Americans under Jim Crow? Are you serious??? I have a kid, but my GOD I would never compare myself to Rosa Parks. Get a grip!

Laura commented on Nov 17 11 at 11:40 pm

Seriously, something needs to be done to demonstrate to the airline companies that they cannot treat children like second class citizens. If they have paid for their seat they deserve just as much respect as the obnixious, drunk, loud talker sitting two rows in front of you or people of larger statue who squeeze themselves into the seat & while yes they may be able to buckle their seat belt, their shoulders & arms extend into the next person’s seat. Just because children are not adults does not mean they don’t count as people. If a child is too young to travel unaccompanied by an adult, they are too young to sit alone. If the passenger specifically requested two seats together in advance & the airline changed that for whatever reason it is the airline’s responsibility to make the necessary changes to resolve the problem.

Brandi commented on Nov 18 11 at 12:15 am

I just have to add my sad flying story…let me first say that I have flown BY MYSELF with first 1, then 2, then 3 BOYS about once a year for 9 years now. The airline culture of acceptance with children has totally changed, it’s weird! With my first son, everyone was super helpful and kind..asking me if I needed help, oohhing and ahhhing over my son, the airline TRIED to sit me next to an empty seat even so I had more space without me asking, the people who brought the strollers up unlocked and set the stroller up for me, etc. Things first started to change with security, I had two kids at this point (did I mention by myself?)…I had a 10 mo old crazy crawler & a 2 1/2 year old and I had to collapse the stroller, put it on the belt, take everyone’s shoes off, put all my crap on the belt…and everyone just sat there and gave me the stink eye while I juggled everything, my baby almost crawled away and my older son was crying because he didn’t want to walk through the alarm alone…FINALLY another passenger came to my rescue. And things have continued to get worse, as though the employees are judging my choice to bring 3 kids on the plane alone by purposefully NOT helping me. My most recent flight with my 7, 5 & 8 mo old I had to fight to sit near my 7 & 5 year old, then my 8 mo. old began screaming (he hadn’t beent at all) with pain I got up to go to the back of the plane (yelling at my other two not to MOVE)…while walking back, the 8 mo. old barfs ALL OVER ME, instantly stopping crying-clearly motion sick. The flight attendant looks at me…and LAUGHS (in a mean way), turns on her heel and walks away. I follow her to the back of the plane, ask her if she has any towels, napkins I can have…she gives me the stink eye, sighs all irritated and stuffs a wad in my hand and asks, “if it (IT?) got any vomit on any adult passengers”. Are you effing kidding me beeyotch?

Jenn commented on Nov 18 11 at 7:38 am

It is so crazy and counter-intuitive that airlines would not have a policy to keep at least one parent/guardian with each child. I’m certainly never going to let my 6-year-old or even 8-year-old daughter sit between 2 strangers on a plane or anywhere else. Can you imagine the outcry if this was permitted to occur and god-forbid the child was touched inappropriately (or worse)?! Lawyers would slap a lawsuit on these airlines so quick they would never dare do that again. Thankfully, my children are finally at the age where generally sit nicely and read or do activities on planes. Those toddler years were rough. I just had to do the best I could with them and keep repeating to myself “I’ll never see these people again” when I encountered the stink-eye.

Jaybird commented on Nov 18 11 at 9:30 am

I agree. I get that people don’t like crying babies or unruly toddlers but these “child bans” and other discriminatory practices are getting out of hand. Children aren’t the only ones capable of being annoying and obnoxious. I don’t like sitting in close quarters next to people who talk loudly on their cellphone, or smokers who smell like cigarettes, or people who take their sweet-a** time gettting their stuff and moving down the aisle while everyone else waits, or people who snore loudly, or want to talk through the in-flight movie, or who are rude and demanding of the flight crew, or who crowd my space…. See what I mean? Annoyances are part of everyday life and can come from anyone.
The worst flight I was ever on was a redeye to Vegas. All of the passengers were tired and just wanted a quiet flight. (I know because many of them shared my same connecting flight from the midwest, which has a three hour time difference.) Everyone was calm and quiet throughout the flight except for one girl who appeared to be 19 or 20. She sat in front of me and would NOT SHUT UP the entire flight, even when her friends and other passengers asked her to.
The kicker: There was a baby on that flight and it didn’t make a peep.

Ashley commented on Nov 18 11 at 10:50 am

Wait til they get sued by someone who has something happen to their kid because he/she was sitting between two unrelated adults. I can’t understand why airlines don’t anticipate the extra liability they have for separating kids from their parents.

g8grl commented on Nov 18 11 at 2:26 pm

Either ask someone to switch seats so you can sit with your child or children, or pay a reservation fee to have two or more seats guaranteed to be together – I really don’t see what the big deal is with either option. I had people switch seats with me or a parent in the 80′s so one of them could sit with me. I’ve switched seats with parents so they could sit next to their kids since I’ve been a teenager. Just because you’re traveling with children doesn’t actually make you more special than anyone else on the plane – and everyone else that’s there paid the same amount for their seats. More if you’re carrying a child on your lap (which, btw, is so not safe). It’s your responsibility to make sure you and your child end up together, not the airline’s.
As far as who’s more obnoxious, I don’t think loud or drunk people are any better – but I’ve had a lot more flights with loud children than loud adults. And an adult has never kicked my seat for a full 4 hour flight.

kiki commented on Nov 18 11 at 3:33 pm

I wouldn’t care about sitting near other families with kids, but they absolutely shouldn’t be splitting up families.

Linda, t.o.o. commented on Nov 19 11 at 12:37 am

I preferred to sit in the back of the plane while flying with my son, it’s closer to the bathroom. I also don’t disagree with the idea of a family area on the plane-it would be nice to allow the kids to entertain each other, or at least have someone kind enough to hand you a wipe if you are out. That said, seperating families is just wrong, and short sighted. I do agree with the “you were a kid once” thought, because it’s true. Also true-one day you may be the frazzled mom trying to keep everyone together, and won’t you want someone to help you out then?

Jamethiel commented on Nov 20 11 at 9:39 am

if you move me you move my child……simple and direct…..have a problem with it and i will raise hell and make sure there is not one person who doesn’t know the crap attempting to happen.

Leyla commented on Nov 20 11 at 10:15 am

We almost always choose to sit in the back of the plane. We figure that if our son starts crying, he can only annoy the people sitting in front of us, not behind as well. I hate that you can’t board early anymore. It is a huge pain to get a car seat and carry-ons onto the plane when it’s full and there are people moving slower than molasses in January shoving their giant bags into the overhead compartments. My husband started going on first, getting our seats set up, and I get on at the last possible minute with our son. And I don’t care how angelic your baby is, people will look at you with a mix of total terror and disgust. We flew many times with our son when he was an infant. He was a dream every time, never crying or fussing. But at the beginning of every flight, we’d get the LOOK from the people in front of us, and then hear, “Wow! You wouldn’t even know there was a baby on the flight!” when we got off. Sheesh.

Shannon commented on Nov 20 11 at 7:39 pm

I don’t mind putting babies and small children together in one part of the plane. It sucks to be in the back, but at least you’re the closest to the bathroom when someone has to use the potty or get a quick change.

I think it is RIDICULOUS that airlines would separate parents and children. Not only is that dangerous in some ways, but I personally do not want to have to babysit someone’s kid.

When did airlines start doing that? We always were sat together when I was a kid.

Roxy commented on Nov 21 11 at 10:31 am

I agree, of course, that families should not be split up. Very little surprises me, though, in the world of air travel these days.

We recently discovered another downside of “baby ghettos” on airplanes when we flew with our 19 month old this fall. We weren’t split up, but we were seated in a cluster with two other families flying with toddlers. The three kids all fed off of each other’s emotions, so that when one cried or screamed, the other two HAD to join in. Good times! I think the flight would have been more pleasant for everyone if the kids had been out of sight of each other and at least a little bit out of earshot.

Erin Human commented on Nov 21 11 at 10:31 am

Separating children from their parents during a flight for the convienence of other passengers is wrong on so many levels. If there was an emergency, shouldn’t kids be w/their parents? And if parents pay for their assigned seating why is it okay for airlines to move them as they see fit? And what about the undue stress the crew is putting on these families by spliting them up, when the point of sitting them all together is so that both parents can work together to entertain/quiet down thier child/ren during the flight? I get that kids on flights is stressful on everyone and not all passengers are understanding, but airlines need to find a better solution. Parents can’t allow for these things to go down and can’t take it lying down. They MUST fight and not let this occur, to the point that it becomes not worth the stress on the gate crew to even attempt such foolishness.

Sanriobaby =^.^= commented on Nov 21 11 at 12:28 pm

Leaving children unattended at anytime is dangerous! Especially in this world where we have child molesters. What the hell? I’d sue…I’d so sue for discrimination and would diffidently have a few choice word for the airline personnel to try to take my child from my hands. Parents should get on this a.s.a.p.!

duana360 commented on Nov 21 11 at 2:41 pm

a family travel strike would make a difference

Erica commented on Nov 21 11 at 2:41 pm

I don’t have a problem with a family seating area, but I do have a problem with the splitting up of families. I know that my kids would be MORE disruptive if they sat away from us, not because they were being bad, but there would be a lot of up and down to come back to me for whatever they needed. They’d be scared, too. What if there’s turbulance? And if my preschooler is in a car seat, who’s going to do stuff for them? We have started using Jet Blue almost exclusively for flight travel now, it is worth the extra cash for the leg room and the service.

Kelly Hall commented on Nov 21 11 at 2:54 pm

Actually I wouldn’t mind a designated family section if I was still flying. Believe it or not I used to enjoy flying and had some good experiences flying with my then-infant son. But between the horrible TSA “security” tactics, the cost of tickets and fees, overcrowded cabins and less-than-great service from airline employees who are underpaid and overworked, I’m done. I’m boycotting the entire aviation industry until some major changes take place. Not saying everyone should do what I’m doing. A lot of people need to fly for business or are just more willing to put up with this stuff than I am, and that’s their choice. But barring a family emergency where we really have to travel 1000+ miles in a hurry, my husband and I have decided to travel by car or not travel at all.

Chloe commented on Nov 21 11 at 3:01 pm

Having a child means that you incur extra expenses, why wouldn’t you budget for a fee to ensure reservations of group seats? I always reserve my seats and pay the extra cost. End of story, deal with it.

Jennifer commented on Nov 21 11 at 3:13 pm

Well I will be flying on an 8 hour flight in Feb. I don’t like the idea of being stuck in the back. It’s where the engine noise is the worst. This will be very bad for our 3 year old who has a healing ruptured eardrum, which loud noises are very painful for her. This is the reason I don’t fly unless I have to, but we are moving over seas so we have no choice but to fly.

Adriana commented on Nov 21 11 at 3:14 pm

I’m okay with being moved to a specific area on a plane. I would not be okay with being seperated from my children under any crcumstance.

jaina commented on Nov 21 11 at 4:03 pm

Are these kids that get seperated from families considered to be “accompanied”…who is supposed to be responsibile for the safety of these kids? Is the passanger in the next seat responsible for the kid next to them? CRAZY!!!

diane caso commented on Nov 21 11 at 5:39 pm

I would not be ok being seperated from my baby girl. I would have her sit next to me anyway and if someone had an issue with that i would say oh there is a seat in the back. enjoy. and then turn away and pretend not to hear them. You have to teach kids not to talk to strangers then I wouldnt want them next to a stranger or many strangers by them selves. I would say they spilt kids from their families then a few others need to see how it is too to be split from their families. I would also print of the paper saying the seats will be together. then there is proof and they cant argue with proof and since its a business you can call the better business bureau on it and most likely you could sue the airlines for potential unsafe child travel and having it where there is potential of your child from being stolen from you.

Tiffini commented on Nov 21 11 at 6:02 pm

I don’t want to sit with all the families. I do not want to hear the loud kids and have them make my kids crazy. If that’s fair, then all the overweight people need to sit together too. And all the people who keep their seats reclined the whole flight.

We are currently living in Europe. All the airlines let families get on first. Lufthansa gives the kids toys. They know we are doing our best.

Listen, it may be cool and trendy to hate kids these days, but that’s only because they can’t defend themselves. My boys are 4 and don’t read blogs. Kids are a problem when their parents are a problem. It all comes down to sharing the planet with people who do things different from you. Have some humanity for goodness sakes.

Rosstwinmom commented on Nov 22 11 at 4:37 am

I’m sorry but when I pay good money for first class to get some sleep on long flights the last thing I want to hear is kids all night long and yes I have raised 5 of my own.

Cindy Ixtapa commented on Nov 23 11 at 10:04 pm

Separating children from their parents is just wrong. Nobody wants to be separated from their child in a public place, and it can’t be fun for some stranger to sit next to a kid without their parent there to at least attempt to keep them entertained. Entertain my own child during a flight? Fine. Entertain somebody else’s? No thanks. As far as first class goes, if you can afford the tickets, you shouldn’t be discriminated against because you have a baby with you. And putting you at the back just because you have a baby isn’t fair either. There are plenty of people who are bothersome on a plane that aren’t babies, and let me tell you, some of them are far worse than sitting next to a baby! At least adults are (or should be) aware that their actions may be unpleasant for the people around them and capable of adjusting their actions accordingly. It’s easier to handle being next to a disruptive child who truly doesn’t know any better (or is behaving as best they can when confined to a small space for a long time) than to be next to an adult who does and just doesn’t care.

Heather commented on Nov 27 11 at 9:46 am

1) Babies, under the age of two, do NOT belong on airplanes unless a grandparent is dying and needs to see them before they go.
2) If you have babies, then deal with it. An area for families to sit is a perfectly acceptable way to travel with your little ones. If you are upset, then buy yourself your own private jet.
3) Name it something other than “baby ghetto”. Perhaps “Wally’s World for the kiddos” or something of that nature. Perhaps airlines can do a better job for ‘family areas’ as well.
4) This needs to happen. Kids suck on airplanes. I believe it’s a matter of etiquette, either don’t bring them on the plane or if you do, be in a designated area.

rotfogel commented on Jan 16 12 at 2:59 pm

What has happened to the world? Can’t we all get along?
I agree with RotFogel’s comment on having family areas on the plane, but babies under the age of two do not belong on airplane? You have got to be kidding.
You probably don’t have a kid…that is so lame!!!!!

JOY commented on Mar 10 12 at 4:54 am

Babies under the age of two should not be on an airplane? We live on an island 800 miles from Anchorage in Alaska, my kids flew from the time they were newborn, all Alaskans who live in the bush do, it’s impossible to avoid it for everything –vacations, seeing relatives on other islands in Alaska, or the lower 48, shopping, traveling for school trips, doctor’s appts etc.
I will say, nobody has ever given me a hard time about traveling sometimes 3 flights in one day with 3 kids, alone (husband on a boat making a living) everyone in Alaska and the west coast in general was always kind, understanding and helpful, plus my kids are trained to behave on planes and in airports, it’s just a part of life. It can be done without disrupting other travelers.
I am so glad I have teenagers now, and don’t have to deal with these issues…but really even very young people do belong on planes! In my town they’d never make it home from the hospital if they didn’t!

Melanie commented on Apr 11 12 at 3:59 pm

It’s ridiculous to think about the lengths that some of the human population has stooped to trying to stop parents of young children even leaving their houses on a daily basis! I’m VERY pregnant with my first child and I’ve already been privy to some of this obnoxious, wholly than though behaviour from people who don’t have children. “You’re not planning to breastfeed THAT THING in public, are you?”, first of all why is it any of your business, second of all, yes I am and thirdly, if you’re not happy take your little eyes and point them in another direction.

Funnily enough these same people (who don’t have children) are going to be first in line to say it’s their right to do as they choose when they decide to have children. The world today is such a two faced place. Everyone needs to get on the same page and leave well enough alone. Everything was working fine before now and then all of a sudden there is an issue? Give me a break!

Cassandra commented on May 24 12 at 10:16 am

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