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Follow Vaccination Schedule or Get Out, Say Pediatricians

Posted by madeline holler on July 12th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
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No shoes, no shots, no service. Really?

Me? I love vaccines. I’m allll for them — the whole course of shots.

I love knowing that my kids aren’t going to get rubella, whatever rubella is. I love knowing that I’ll likely never have to nurse my kids through a bout of chicken pox, or fear they’ll succumb to meningitis, or even miss school over the annual flu. I don’t have to worry that they’ll be one of the new cases of whooping cough, which is cropping up in some parts of our state.

All of that and they aren’t any more predisposed to autism than they were at birth! Such a bonus.

Despite my vaccination enthusiasm, I nonetheless cannot get on board with pediatricians offices that kick out patients for either refusing any vaccines or not staying on the recommended schedule.

In the case of the former, I think doctors are missing an opportunity to educate and to care for children who may need it. Yes, they’re putting other children at risk — so these families might need to be asked to sit in a room, rather than the general waiting area.

As for going off schedule, why kick these kids out? Jessica Ashley at Yahoo! Shine interviewed Dr. Scott J. Goldstein of the Northwestern Children’s Practice in Chicago. He said going off schedule puts kids at risk, since the shots are given when the kids are most vulnerable to the particular diseases.

I don’t actually buy that reason, but instead think it has to do with paperwork, which he alludes to:

“It is a minority of our patients who opt to go off the schedule recommended by the American Academy of Pediatrics and CDC (Centers for Disease Control) or not have vaccines at all,” Dr. Goldstein said. “This makes it very complicated for our staff to follow. We don’t just ask those families to leave. We give them every opportunity to ask questions, to schedule vaccines, to work with us.”

I’m an off-scheduler and have been since my first child was born. We had a great pediatrician said that if our daughter wasn’t going to be in daycare right away (she wasn’t) we could delay some of the shots, which meant she only had to have two at the most during any of the three thousand well-baby visits kids have during their first year of life.

We moved when my daughter was around six months old and our new pediatrician also didn’t mind the spread out shot schedule. He just looked at her file and made sure we kept up.

We moved again when she was two and that next office was less enthusiastic, but by then she was mostly caught up. Of course, I had another baby and insisted on the two-shot limit. They lectured but complied.

Then, we moved again. And that’s when we landed in this pediatrician’s office. She was very much opposed to the delayed schedule but somehow I dragged it out while avoiding getting the boot.

At this same office, I listened as an uninsured mother was asking what the shots would cost out-of-pocket — the front office didn’t have a price list but gave estimates and it was in the hundreds of dollars. So that mom wanted to go piece-meal, too. But obviously for financial reasons. So I wonder what Goldstein would say about that? Unless they’re giving shots away for free …

We wound up switching to a lovely family doctor, who refers to the shot schedule, doesn’t mind spacing them out and yet still makes sure my kids are all current. Doesn’t seem complicated at all!

I think doctors are right to encourage their patients to understand the science behind immunizations and the junk science behind the autism connection — not easy, I realize, the way health care works right now. But in the end, if they want parents to have some agency in their children’s health, why would they undermine that by saying there’s only one way to have healthy kids?

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15 Comments

You can generally get shots at the health department fairly close to free. . . . And in the case of pertussus it’s very important to get it when your kids are very young as it kills babies.

I have no problem with Dr’s not wanting patients that refuse to follow their medical advise. They’re independent and can do whatever they want.

Sara commented on Jul 12 11 at 1:09 pm

Well then they will see them in Urgent Cares and ERs instead. We are up-to-date- for NOW. But if they put Gardisil or flu vaccines on a mandated list, we will be leaving our practice whilst I pressure the insurance company to find ones who will accept us.

goddess commented on Jul 12 11 at 1:09 pm

@Jessica~ what about Gardisil? As long as your child wasn’t trying to have sex with other patients or share their needles- no issues!
@Sara- true- our county offers them very cheap- or free to those who qualify. But even pay-as-you-go is inexpensive.

goddess commented on Jul 12 11 at 1:11 pm

Honestly, it would make me uncomfortable taking my child to the pediatrician knowing that one of the sniffly kids in the waiting room might not be vaccinated. I probably wouldn’t have felt that way with my older son, but my 5 1/2 month old ended up in the hospital with RSV at 3 weeks old. It was horrible and the thought of seeing one of my kids really sick again, and with a disease that is preventable, scares me. However, I don’t see what the big deal is with spreading out the vaccines. At least those parents are still seeking to protect their children. I have a friend (who is an RN) who refuses any vaccines for her kids till age 3 (which I do not agree with, but whatever) and her family doctor lectures her all the time yet still treats them. I never thought to ask my pediatrician what she does if a parent refuses to vaccinate. I might be doing that at the next appointment.

Jessica commented on Jul 12 11 at 1:12 pm

Did you know most cases of pertussis are in VACCINATED children? All of the kids who had it in the Long Island outbreak recently were vaxed kids. It has a pretty shoddy efficacy- 80% and less.

goddess commented on Jul 12 11 at 1:12 pm

I realize this is not the point of your post but it is definitely possible for you or your fully vaccinated child to contract the targeted disease. Some examples: The annual flu vaccine has an efficacy rate of 41-53% depending on the year. Not great odds. The efficacy of the completed course of MMR vaccine is approximately 85%. The varicella vaccine (chickenpox) is approximately 80% effective, 95% at preventing a *severe* case of chickenpox. All of the school children stricken during the Long Island whooping cough outbreak were vaccinated. Vaccines ARE NOT a guarantee that you or your children will not contract the target illness.

Lee commented on Jul 12 11 at 1:15 pm

I’m a little curious about why you’re allll for shots, but allll against the recommended schedule. I certainly understand not wanting your child treated like a pin cushion, but we’ve done the recommended schedule up to four years (where it takes a long break, thankfully) and never had more than three shots, I don’t think. I only call attention to this because I wonder if delayed schedule people still are scared of vaccines and they’ve found a way to kinda avoid them a little bit longer. As I say, I completely agree with not wanting your child tormented by a needle attack at the doc and I agree that spacing more doesn’t matter much health-wise, but the difference between two and three shots doesn’t strike me as major and I can see how delayed shots could turn in to forgotten shots for some people.

Chris commented on Jul 12 11 at 1:19 pm

@Chris: I support vaccines for diseases like pertussis, diptheria, tetanus, measles, mumps, rubella, HiB and Men C.
I do NOT support a mandates that does not provide for medical, religious and philosophical exemptions. We lost our eldest son due to vaccines damage from his DTP vaccines as an infant (condolences appreciated, but no need to post- we have healed and come to terms with it). With that in mind, I cannot support mandates that force a parent to inject toxins into their children against their own judgment.
I have read things about the Gardisil vaccines that made my innards curdle. My kids wn’t get that and only the youngest will receive a flu vax.

goddess commented on Jul 12 11 at 1:22 pm

Hi folks. I’m employed as a toxicologist at one of the largest research universities in the country. Here’s some facts that may interest you.

20 parts per billion (ppb) mercury = Neurite membrane structure destroyed (Leong et al., Neuroreport 2001; 12: 733-37). Think neurofibril tangles.

200 ppb mercury = level in liquid the EPA classifies as hazardous waste based on toxicity characteristics.
http://www.epa.gov/epawaste/hazard/tsd/mercury/regs.htm

25,000 ppb mercury = Concentration of mercury in multi-dose, Hepatitis B vaccine vials, administered at birth from 1991-2003 in the U.S.

50,000 ppb mercury = Concentration of mercury in multi-dose DTaP and Haemophilus B vaccine vials, administered 8 times in the 1990’s to children at 2, 4, 6, 12 and 18 months of age and currently “preservative” level mercury in multi-dose flu, meningococcal and tetanus vaccines. This can be confirmed by simply analyzing the multi-dose vials.

Personally, I will not let my kids within 10 feet of a pediatrician ever again. The last one almost killed my child (vaccine induced seizures). I fired him! He’s lucky I didn’t do more.

Livid commented on Jul 12 11 at 1:59 pm

“I’m a little curious about why you’re allll for shots, but allll against the recommended schedule.”

I always wonder this too…my rationale, is give ‘em one blast of pain and misery during one visit rather than drag it all out (this if your child hasn’t had any reaction/takes to the shots reasonably well, etc.)

Gretchen Powers commented on Jul 12 11 at 3:18 pm

My family doctor does NOT vaccinate children under six in her practice. Lots of doctors think the vaccination schedule is insane. Go ahead and do it if you want, but as livid points out, if a box of vaccine vials falls on the floor and smash, a HAZMAT team has to be called for clean-up. And you plan on injecting that crap into your baby?! Yeah, no.

Andrea commented on Jul 12 11 at 4:53 pm

@Andrea-I worked for a disposal company and AIRLINE FOOD had to be picked up by the HAZMAT guy. So that argument doesn’t really deter me from getting my kids vaccinated. On time.

Jessica commented on Jul 12 11 at 8:44 pm

My kids received their shots at the health department for free! Now we pay just $5 at the health department (rules changed). Our insurance wouldn’t cover immunizations. However, my kids were vaccinated for chicken pox and all of them still contracted chicken pox.
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mamasport3 commented on Jul 12 11 at 9:15 pm

Yeah, and you know the saying “the dose makes the poison” (re, the broken vax and the HAZMATs)…I did feel a little odd giving a one-day old baby the Hep B vax, taking her to the ped right after my homebirth, but I had this crazy paranoid flash…what if some drug crazed weirdo came by and stuck her with a needle while we were out somewhere and having the Hep B vax could have saved her…? I never would have forgiven myself for not getting it.

Gretchen Powers commented on Jul 13 11 at 6:30 am

Took the 2 little ones in for their physicals yesterday- 12 yo daughter got 2nd Varivax- our ped does not recommend Gardisil at ALL. Fancy that.

goddess commented on Jul 14 11 at 3:02 pm

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