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“Kids Are Cheaper Than You Think! Have Lots!” Says Economist
Kids are cheap! Stock up! Have lots! Tell your friends!
That’s the message from economist Bryan Caplan, whose new book Selfish Reasons To Have More Kids makes the case for bigger families.
In a nutshell, Caplan believes that parents are “overcharging” themselves for their children by buying into intensive parenting standards for attachment parenting, quality time and enriched home environments. The kids are all right, Caplan says. And it they’re not, there’s not much you can do about it. So have a bunch, and have fun with it.
Caplan is using economics to assess parenting, and coming up with some pretty surprising conclusions.
Caplan tells the New York Times Economix blog that many people would have more kids if they felt like they could afford them. Not just monetarily, but in terms of all those precious parenting resources: time, energy, love, sleep. He’s got a point. Nearly every parent I know has a story about why they don’t have more kids: the sleep deprivation, the time, the money, the energy to chase after toddlers.
As one friend likes to say, every family will have one more child than they can easily handle. You have one, you get the hang of it, so you keep having more until it’s too much. You’ve run out resources and can’t “afford” another kid.
But does all the effort of parenting pay off? Not really, says Caplan. Looking at twin and adoption research, he argues that the actual impact of nurture on kids is pretty minimal. Yes, there are big things that affect how kids turn out, but they’re mostly not in our control. The small stuff, like how much TV they watch and whether you coddle them all night or let them cry it out doesn’t really make a difference in the long term, he argues. Given that, we could easily lower the “cost” of parenting by investing in less babywearing, more TV time, and fewer enrichment activities.
Caplan’s point is that many of us put too many resources into the one or two children we have. We’re investing a ton of time, money and effort for little to no return, and as a result we’re stressed out, drained parents with no resources. If we just lightened up, he says, we’d have more fun parenting and want to have more kids. Caplan writes:
…the parenting experience can and should be improved. Instead of fruitlessly playing Pygmalion, focus on enjoying your journey together. Raise your kids with kindness and respect. Find common interests. Use discipline not to teach lifelong lessons, but to persuade your kids to treat you and others decently here and now. If you use these strategies, parenting and bigger families really are a lot of fun.
I’m a bigger believer in nurture than Caplan is, but I’m inclined to love any parenting expert speaking up on behalf of a more laissez-faire approach to parenting. Not just because I’m selfish and want more time and energy for my own stuff. Because I truly believe it’s better for kids. In his NYT interview, Caplan talks about the issue of “secondary stress” affecting kids. Parents are stressed or unhappy and their stress rubs off on the kids. Caplan says kids cite their parents’ stress as a main issue, bigger than lack of time together.
Becoming a more relaxed parent is great advice, and a clear win for the whole family if you can pull it off. I know that when I quit everything and stopped running around to gymnastics classes and swim lessons and book clubs, my life became a lot better.
It didn’t make me want to have more kids, though. I took that energy and time and invested it in my career instead. I’m not sorry. I love the family I have, and my life feels more balanced with time for writing and self-care alongside parenting. If I’d had another baby, I’d still be up to my eyeballs in mothering all day long. I wouldn’t be more overwhelmed than I was back in the days of gymnastics classes and babywearing, but I wouldn’t be less. I’d just have the same level of parenting demands, with more kids.
As it is, I do less parenting and more of other things I love. I’m happy with the choice I made there.
How about you? Would you have more kids if you felt you could afford them? What stops you from having a bigger family? Does Caplan’s economic argument hold water, or did you base your decision on something else?
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Education Watch: Post Tohoku-tsunami-quake school news and education-related article links « EDUCATION IN JAPAN COMMUNITY Blog commented on Apr 13 11 at 7:31 amBunnytwenty commented on Apr 07 11 at 2:19 pmDoes the world really need more first-world children? I’m not saying that that’s the only reason to have more or less kids, but it’s surprising that the notion of population control doesn’t seem to have crossed this guy’s mind at all.
GP commented on Apr 07 11 at 2:34 pmPopulation control, yes. Also, how can you take a gaggle of kids to Europe or anywhere worth going, really, unless you’re rich? How about college? In my world, paying for your child’s education is a must. Not to mention my sanity. If the amount of mess and aggravation were to grow much more, I’d be toast. I am one and done and very happy this way. I don’t think alot of this is quantifiable in terms of economics. Also, I love doing work-work, real, professional, mind-engaging work and while being a SAHM for a few years is a nice, enriching sabbatical, I wouldn’t want to do this forever, and I do think little kids need mom at home, so I’d have to just keep doing this way too long if I were to have more…
bigfamilylover commented on Apr 07 11 at 4:33 pmI grew up in a very big family…and while its not for everyone, I think people miss out in life by limiting to one or two children. Kids learn a ton by being in a big family and I think can be well adjusted having a bigger picture then just themselves. Plus, its way more fun on family vacations and even just playing together! You never get lonely. Yes you have to give up some time to yourself, but I think it pays off in more love to go around. I disagree about population control. How do you know your 3 or 4th child won’t change the world in some amazing way?
My husband and I plan on having at least 5 or 6…:)
Linda, the original one commented on Apr 07 11 at 4:45 pmI’m not much in to the “have more kids so you can neglect them” school of parenting. While I don’t think most kids need more possessions in order to be happy, I do believe that they need experiences in order to grow and thrive, and experiences (travel, music, sports, art, time to do things) all cost money. And FTR, I don’t think that kids are better off when their parents stop taking them to enriching activities because they’d rather have more leisure time. Anyone who is going to argue that kids are better off sitting in front of the TV than they are swimming isn’t going to persuade me that their parenting advice holds much value.
Bunnytwenty commented on Apr 07 11 at 5:17 pm“How do you know your 3 or 4th child won’t change the world in some amazing way?”
How do you know they won’t be a serial murderer? That’s a lousy argument.
GP commented on Apr 07 11 at 5:26 pm“How do you know your 3 or 4th child won’t change the world in some amazing way?”
Gee, if that’s your logic, why not have 18, 20…or more?
I really, really bristle at the complete lack of any awareness of population issues with people so blithely cheering on large families. I will go so far as to say that I think, in the present climate, it is wrong.
Kate commented on Apr 08 11 at 8:09 amWe have four kids which is ‘lots’ compared to other families we know. When we had our 3rd and 4th I was amazed at the number of people who ‘confessed’ that they would like more babies (ie than the 1 or 2 they had). When I said ” Well why don’t you?” the answer was most often that they couldn’t afford it financially. it seems that many people I know have worked out what they want for their kids (private education, holidays, activities) and then worked out how many kids they can afford.
This approach never occurred to my husband and I. Our starting point was how many kids we wanted (4) and then just figured that they will get what we can afford. So, they might not have the latest and greatest gadgets but there is always someone to kick a ball with in our house.
My husband and I always planned on four kids but never
tasja commented on Apr 08 11 at 10:11 amI am actually so against pro creation, ( don’t get me wrong, I think it is a beautiful thing) but just to have kids for the sake of having kids is wrong in today’s world. I remember as a child always thinking; “why on earth did my parent make me while this world is such a difficult place to be in”. But that said, I LOVE kids and always knew that I wanted to me a mother. I have adopted two and if I win the lotto, I would adopt 10 more. Especially the needy ones that no one wants to adopt. And yes kids DO cost a lot of money even if you do everything with hand me downs.
daria commented on Apr 08 11 at 10:58 amhe titled the book “selfish reasons to have more kids” and he’s an economist, so i’m pretty sure he knows about population issues and that these suggestions are not selfless choices. he’s also trying to sell books. some of what he said above i agree with, particularly that nature often rules over nurture, that we should teach our kids respect, and that we should relax and enjoy parenting. i’m still sticking to two children, though, because of all the reasons sierra outlined, especially because it just works for me and my family.
ChiLaura commented on Apr 08 11 at 11:23 amI have 3 kids and plan to have more. Two of my three are watching a DVD right now while I goof off online. Later we’ll go to the library, and then later all three of them will keep each other company (or drive each other crazy, depends on the day) while I make dinner. I never understood couples with one family. What if that child dies? A friend of mine once told me that he thought that you’d have to be pretty arrogant to just have one child. What if it turns out to be a total screw-up? And (GP, this one’s for you) how likely is it that you’re so naturally gifted in the parenting department that you can guarantee that one trophy child you decided to have when “the time was right” and your “career could be put on hold” isn’t going to fall short of your unrealistic fantasy when it comes time to show Junior off to your friends?
My dad had 8 siblings (too many for his liking); my mom had 4. We’re aiming high.
Sierra Black commented on Apr 08 11 at 11:41 am@chilaura: thanks for the big family perspective on this! I don’t want any more kids, but I love the feel of big families and sometimes wish my life had worked out slightly differently so I could have a huge brood.
Canuckmom commented on Apr 08 11 at 11:42 amMy reason for (probably) stopping at 3 kids is health related. So now we’re looking into adoption which is way pricier than the old-fashioned way, but I think will benefit everyone involved. Of course, having kids here is cheaper with our health care.
Bunnytwenty commented on Apr 08 11 at 11:42 amWhat the heck? Chilaura, the assumptions that you’re making about GP’s life and parenting are wildly inappropriate. Settle down, lady. Also:
“I never understood couples with one family.”
Well, there’s those pesky bigamy laws… hehehe
Sierra Black commented on Apr 08 11 at 11:43 am@kate : we didn’t plan the financial side of having kids before we leapt in either, we just decided to have them because it felt like they needed to be with us. Now, I think my husband and I both feel like we can’t afford more kids, but it’s not the money that holds us back, it’s the intangible resources like time, energy and sleep.
Sierra Black commented on Apr 08 11 at 11:50 am@Linda: some experiences cost money, but you can also do a lot of great stuff for very little cash – kids can ride bikes, make art, pretend play, practice music and read books at home without spending a dime. Leisure time has been huge for my kids: they’re happier and more relaxed all day long because they don’t have so many events and classes to get to. They do watch a little more TV than they used to, but they still do a lot of creative, interesting things with the bulk of their free time. They just don’t do them in classes. I think the tradeoff was totally worth it for my family.
ChiLaura commented on Apr 08 11 at 12:01 pmBunny, I’m sorry, I should’ve said that that was at least a little bit tongue-in-cheek, and I’m pretty sure that GP can take it. Even though I agree with GP about 50% of the time, I can’t be the only one who thinks that she is easily one of the most judgmental commenters around. GP is always telling the rest of us how perfect her one child is, how wonderfully she financially planned for her one child, how work-out-of-the-home-moms are selfish women, and when and how those of us who want more than one kid should have those subsequent children. I shudder to think of the new one GP would rip me if she knew about my family’s size aspirations and if she saw our total financial picture.
okay, haha about that “one family” typo! Oops! Okay, I’ve never understood families with one child (by choice). Yes, I understand the financial side, but as a parent I can’t imagine losing that single child (unlikely, but things do happen), and a sibling, I can’t imagine being stuck with “just Mom and Dad” for all those years.
GP commented on Apr 08 11 at 12:21 pmlisten CHILAURA, you can have your gaggle of brats and overuse the limited resources we have, but don’t go attributing me to having some kind of “unrealistic fantasy” of who my child will be and “showing her off” to my friends…I have a RELATIONSHIP with my child, and since I have ONE and am not overstretched, it’s a good one, and probably richer than those who just crank ‘em out for religious, ego or Jah know what other reasons…my kid ain’t perfect, I ain’t perfect, but there’s a lot of selfishness, foolishness and stupidity in the world, and I’m gonna call it when I see it…the idea of not being able to stand losing a single child so having more for “spares” is also ridiculous as is any assumption that a single child is “stuck” with just Mom and Dad…uhm, I live in a COMMUNITY with other people, not a compound and further, I don’t consider my and my husband’s company something my kid would consider being “stuck with” maybe because we are COOL…so suck it!
Gwyn commented on Apr 08 11 at 1:14 pmsheesh on the comments going back and forth, makes me wonder if they are for real. But going back to the topic, I think the economist is shedding a different way of looking at planning children, and, typical to economists, you can’t quantify the things like sleep, exhaustion, etc, so it’s difficult to value them.
What i do think we as parents of your children do is forget that there is a “rest of my life” that won’t involve changing diapers and putting on shoes, socks and jackets hours out of the day. So the thought of having MORE children while there are young children in the house seems exhausting, the long term view is that the early years and effort are temporary, and the value of having multiple children as they go into adulthood is undervalued.
Mart commented on Apr 08 11 at 1:16 pmI have not read this book, but, from the description here, it seems that a basic assumption made by the author is that parents invest time, energy and other resources in their children with the expectation that this will “pay off” at some point in the future. The author finds this not to be true, thus saying, “why bother?” But I don’t think that most parents “invest” in their children with any expectation of a return. We love our children, we want to give them our best — materially, emotionally, etc. — for that reason. And, looked at that way, it becomes very important to “bother.” Parenting is hard; it’s hard work. And if you don’t think that, you’re not doing it right.
GP commented on Apr 08 11 at 1:22 pmom shanti ; )
ChiLaura commented on Apr 08 11 at 3:38 pmReliable as a Japanese train, GP.
Linda, the original one commented on Apr 08 11 at 3:45 pm@ChiLaura, no, GP does not claim that her one child is “perfect.” You cross the line when you get personal about someone else’s child. It’s a complete asshole move and you owe her a huge apology, IMO, and I’m not even one of her defenders.
@Sierra, I understand what you’re saying, but aren’t your children pretty young? The things *my* kids (especially my older kids) want to do cost money. Swim Team, Karate, Roller Derby, Speed Skating, Art, and Band ~ all fitness or cultural experiences that they aren’t going to get riding bikes or “doing art” at the kitchen table. My life would be a lot easier if I wasn’t required to drive and pay for these things for three kids, but I don’t delude myself in to thinking that they would be better off if my husband and I chose not to make these things happen. Also, we live where it rains 9 months out of the year and I want my children to exercise daily, so we make that a priority.
Linda, the original one commented on Apr 08 11 at 3:49 pmOne more thing, and this is just *my* opinion: ANY time spent watching TV is wasted time as far as I’m concerned.
Sierra Black commented on Apr 08 11 at 3:51 pm@Linda: my girls are young! you are so right. My teenage stepson has gone through a few extracurricular activities, but mostly he’s very focused on school these days, so we haven’t really done the expensive rounds of sports and activities for older kids.
ChiLaura commented on Apr 08 11 at 4:40 pmApology, Linda? For what? GP makes her life sound like a magazine shoot, and she’d like to piss on the rest of us whose lives haven’t worked out so that we can save for college before our “gaggle of brats” are even born. It’s fricking hyperbole, LInda, in which I imply that GP thinks that her child is perfect. That’s crossing the line and getting personal about her child? Wow. My overstretched self and my “gaggle of brats” that I’m just using as “spares” aren’t asking for an apology from her; it’s really not needed. If that’s what she actually thinks, then she’s a bitch who can keep her damn apology for herself; and if she doesn’t actually think that and was exaggerating because she was mad, then whatever. Either way, I don’t really care.
Meagan commented on Apr 08 11 at 5:29 pm@GP My husband and I can’t afford to take ourselves to Europe so I’m not sure how that’s relevant … I suppose it all depends on what sort of places you consider “worth going to.” I suspect the most exotic trip we’ll be taking our kids on is cross country to visit my parents. There will probably be a whole lot of camping vacations because they’re CHEAP.
iris1973 commented on Apr 08 11 at 10:48 pmEveryone’s situation is different (and judging by some of the incredibly vitriolic comments above, maybe we could stand to remember that.) I didn’t have any children until I was 36 (I was not ready for nor did I want them until I was in my early 30s, and I chose to get through graduate school first). I will give birth to my son a few weeks after my 38th birthday if he comes according to due date. I will not be having any more children – not because I wouldn’t like more, but because of the incredible strain on my body. Pregnancy is difficult, especially at this age and if you already are in chronic pain because of a pre-existing condition (I have a hip problem) and if you must stop taking medication due to pregnancy that you kind of need (like pain medication for that chronic pain or anti-depressants or cholesterol medication). Pregnancy is also stressful (to me) because of the fear of birth defects. I think our family will be big enough at four. Unless we have a ‘surprise’ down the road, I do not anticipate having another baby. However, I do like some of the points in the article about calming down and enjoying parenting more – not stressing so much about it.
tracy commented on Apr 08 11 at 10:50 pmI’m still working on paying off the L&D bill for my 1 y.o. DD. 15k (minimum) just to bring that little bundle of joy home from the hospital….and the OP is alleging kids arent expensive? WTF? And those medical costs are the reason I wont have more. I have alot of resentment about what happened to me w/my job while i was pg but was dependant on that job for the health insurance…I still had to pay about $2500. It cost me $400/mo to add baby onto my policy. Now my neighbor has 4 kids under the age of 6 and got medicaid to pay for all her pregnancies and i believe the kids are still on it. And she is a SAHMMaybe that is the way to go. Do I have the right to be pissed??/
iris1973 commented on Apr 08 11 at 10:59 pmAlso, (just still thinking), this man is an economist, and is writing the book from an economist’s point of view – not an emotional or physical or even female perspective. Just something to keep in mind when judging the book’s merits. I think it should just be taken for what it is (his opinion supported by economics), rather than assuming he is a sociologist, psychologist or an expert on children. A lot of successful child-rearing leans on a successful marriage – having 5 children when the marriage is abusive or even indifferent is not a good plan. I’m not sure he takes that into account.
Debo commented on Apr 08 11 at 11:05 pmWow, Chilaura! I’ve never read these comments before & don’t know if they’re a common occurrence, but from the back-n-forth that I just read I find you one of the most disrespectful people I can think of. If I thought that the majority of the commentators are like you I’d completely stop subscribing to this site, as I don’t need that type of negativity in my life. Your attitude and comments are really defensive & you are acting really ugly. I sure hope you’re proud of yourself. What an example you are to your children.
Alex commented on Apr 09 11 at 9:12 amOur daughter was born with a neural tube defect after I’d already lost my first two pregnancies. She is so precious and smart and sweet, and with surgeries and endless visits to specialists and physical therapy and leg braces PLUS all of the normal, everyday things parents provide, we’ve decided to put all of our time, money (of which we have very little), and energy into making sure she’s happy, healthy, fulfilled, and have every single opportunity that any other kid would have. No siblings? I oh well. I have lots of friends and cousins.
LooLoosMommy commented on Apr 09 11 at 9:13 pmHis book seems as silly, does this man have children? I have to question the parents who agree that parenting is cheap, and have the desire for very large families (unless there rich). My husband and I have one daughter, we intended on a large family but I’m pretty sure were done. I have to agree with the poster (GP, I think) who made the point about taking trips and such, how is that possible with a large family? Not only that but what about housing? Admittedly I live in an expensive area a modest simple home, two or maybe three bedrooms, here is about 300k. Where do you put all of your children? How is a larger home cheaper? My daughter is three, she has or is taking; swimming, kung fu, Mandarin, Spanish, ballet, gymnastics, music, yoga, and a craft/story time. All of these things cost money, every single one. Now multiply that by two, the number is larger and ironically the more you multiply it by the larger it gets. And that doesn’t even include preschool so lets throw another 4K per a kid into the equation! Now there is no need for her to take all of these things, I know this. However, she enjoys them, so why shouldn’t she have the opportunity? And it is not as though I hustle her off to classes with no family time in the mix. We hike, we camp, we kayak, have family game nights and all of that, but that doesn’t mean she shouldn’t have the opportunity to have other experiences.
GP commented on Apr 10 11 at 5:04 pmFor those who think it’s right or cool or whatever to have tons of kids, go for it. But, please understand that you are contributing to the depletion of already short-supplied resources. It’s clear, too, we have very different ideas of what it means to have a child. I think what some people would consider too intensive or doting parenting is just the normal thing when you actually have a close relationship with someone. I don’t have tons of friends, I only have one husband, etc. because relationships take time, work and care. I don’t see how one can really have that great or deep of a relationship with each kid when there are so many, but that’s probably just my own limitation, I suppose.
Lauren commented on Apr 10 11 at 9:05 pmWe never planned the financial side of having children, just the emotional part. When we were ready emotionally, we got pregnant. We lived in a one-bedroom apartment and drove an OLD car and ate Hamburger Helper. She had a handful of toys and two or three board books and hand-me-down clothes and baby gear. But we spent every day walking around the neighborhood, looking at bugs and flowers. We went to the library, the park, the beach, the grocery store. She is 8 now, has skipped a grade, and is reading Jane Austen.
She also has 3 little brothers, just a few years younger. Our financial status, with the advancement of my husband’s education and career (we had our first right out of college, I chose to stay home), has improved dramatically. We eat well, and live in a great area with fantastic schools, but we save a lot more than we spend. Instead of spending money and time on organized sports and activities for our young kids, we run around at the park, swim, hike, launch rockets (my husband’s hobby), go to the library, and do anything free we can find. We save up for our family vacations, and do them on a budget (beach, Disney). I am looking at getting my older kids (8 and 6) into organized activities, but I think I can even wait a few years. I’m not raising professional athletes or artists (although my 2-year-old looks way more athletic than his younger siblings), I’m raising loving, kind, generous, intelligent, thoughtful children.
You don’t need a lot of money to raise kids. It helps to have some, but perhaps having too much might hurt. I wouldn’t mind finding out, but for now, I think my kids are turning out great, and with a lot less “stuff” than their peers.
Jessie commented on Apr 11 11 at 12:06 amNot that money isn’t necessary at all while raising children, but I’ve found that the more money you have, the more money you spend. When you have a lot of money to spend on your kids (or yourself, for that matter) a lot of your “wants” tend to turn into “needs.” On another note, GP, I think you would be surprised by the amount of love an affection you would have available for more children if you had them. Also, if you are going to play the “limited resources” card by stating that large families are using them up…wouldn’t procreation AT ALL be using up our limited resources. So, even your one child uses up precious resources.
GP commented on Apr 11 11 at 9:34 amGo do some research, Jesse. We need to keep the species going, I suppose, but certainly having one or maybe two children is more socially responsible than having more than that. The children will procreate as well…its an exponential thing (you can look that word up, too, if you don’t know what it means).
Jessie commented on Apr 12 11 at 12:19 pmI’m assuming from your extremely rude comment that you misunderstood at least part of my comment. By putting parentheses around ‘limited resources’ I was trying to quote you, NOT implying that the idea of limited resources is a crock. (I looked back at your comment, and you used the term “short-supplied resources.” My bad…). My point was that the condition of our resources have more to do with misuse of our natural resources than with bigger families. There are plenty of large families who are waaay more socially responsible than small ones. (And by the way, I’m well aware of the word “exponential”…thank you for your self-righteous suggestion, though.)
Perfecting Parenthood commented on Apr 13 11 at 4:00 pmThere is a strong strong argument for people who can afford and are otherwise able to handle more children to have them: Pass on the better genes! Successful and intelligent people often have fewer children later in life because they have careers, and because they think like GP, that a “reasonable” number of children is more responsible. However, the poor, the people who don’t understand birth-control, prostitutes, druggies, etc have many more children than the successful people on average. These kids will be brought up like them both by genetics and environment. Since, in the first world, most everyone lives long enough to reproduce, the human species devolves. So I say that it is almost a duty to the human race that you have many children if you have good genes and think you can raise them well!
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Evan commented on Apr 13 11 at 5:37 pmI appear to be the only one who has read this article, and also read Caplan’s book. I also avidly follow his blog. To answer several important questions reader have brought up.
1. Bryan Caplan has three kids and he parents them in the style he recommends to others.
2. To GP and the others concerned about population, Caplan argues that the concept of overpopulation and resource depletion is BS. He shows that humans have always invented their way out of resource crises in the past, and will do so in the future. Having more kids makes it easier to do this, because the more people you are, the more likely it is one will grow up to solve a resource problem.
3. To people who argue that it is hard to grow up in this day and age, he basically says you’re irrationally gloomy. He provides plenty of evidence that this age is a paradise for kids compared to the past.
4. To people who say kids are expensive, he points out that we were poorer in the 50s, but also had larger families. If kids are expensive today we likely spend too much money on them.
Beth commented on Apr 26 11 at 1:07 amI am a 28 year old woman who grew up with 5 siblings and a stay at home mom (my dad worked in public service – nothing fancy). It never occurred to me until recently that we never had money growing up (no vacations, summer camps, or expensive toys, etc.) Literally – this never occurred to me until a couple of months ago. Don’t waste a ton of money on kids because they won’t know the difference anyway. Just give them love and laughter. (Also, we are not a bunch of uneducated weirdos. We are all self-sufficient with advanced degrees, and pretty nice people, I think. And I would strongly argue we are not a threat to the planet b/c we are in the habit of not consuming more than we need.) So I think Caplan might be on to something.
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