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Advice To a Young Blogger: When “Shock and Awe” Confessionals Cross the Line
Last week, Babble ran a now very controversial essay by a woman who admitted that she struggles to love her young daughter as much as she loves her little boy. Sharing that public admission definitely had some shock value in and of itself, but then the author went further, referring to her own “Sophie’s Choice-type musings” about which of her two children she would find more painful to “lose.” Many readers, myself included, took the combined reference to Holocaust literature and the “loss” of a child to mean that the writer was musing about which of her children she would rather lose to death.
I was so taken aback by what this writer had expressed in that particular paragraph of her essay that I had to read it a couple of times, just to be sure I hadn’t misunderstood. Ultimately, I decided that I hadn’t. And even though the writer ended up adding an addendum to her original essay in which she stated that she was “shocked and ashamed” that readers had taken her to mean that she was suggesting that she might prefer the death of one of her children over the other, it was really too late to take back what she’d written for public consumption.
I am certain that this writer felt that she was simply being brave and honest in publishing a piece that explored a specific taboo of motherhood that – let’s face it – many of us who have more than one child have allowed ourselves to think about at one time or another (well, maybe not the whole cringeworthy “Sophie’s Choice” part, but certainly the rest of it). And yes, she was being honest, brutally honest. Many readers seemed to appreciate her revelatory piece of writing. In fact, if you read the hundreds of comments on the essay, you will find many from women who thank the essayist for saying something out loud that they themselves had previously been afraid to admit.
Sharing and connecting and demystifying motherhood are all worthy and important goals for women who write about their own lives as parents. So I definitely get this essayist’s intent, and as a writer and a mother myself, it’s hard for me to bring myself to criticize. After all, I’ve been doing exactly what she did – writing very openly about my life as a parent – for the past 14 years. Many times, I’ve delved into tough topics that are hard to discuss, drawing on my own family life as material. But even though I share a literary genre with her, the specific things that this writer chose to reveal publicly about her complicated feelings toward her young children truly bothered me. Because of this sense of unease, and despite being aware that I am risking being called a complete hypocrite, I’ve decided to weigh in on this topic. Let me be clear that I am doing so not to pile on to an already crowded conversation around this specific essay and its writer, but because I believe that I have a perspective developed over time that might offer something new to the conversation.
I hope so, anyway.
Like I said, I am a writer by trade and temperament. My publishing specialty for many years has been first-person essays and columns, very often – though not always – related to motherhood. However, as freeing and important as I believe that it is for mothers to be comfortable sharing the hardest parts of this hardest of jobs with one another, and as much as I support the right of women writers to create art that reflects their own truths, I also think that we do, in fact, owe our children some level of protection in what we write about them, and about our relationships with them.
Certainly, every mother who blogs or publishes personal essays is going to draw that line of protection in a different place. Some writers are comfortable using their kids’ real names, while others use psuedonyms. Some bloggers share photos of their children, while others never do. Etc, etc, etc. And of course, I am perfectly well aware that there are some readers who believe that my own writing over the years has been far too confessional. And you know what? These critics of my work aren’t entirely wrong; looking back over more than a decade of published writing, I have to admit that there absolutely are at least two or three essays I have had published that I wish I could retract and remove from the public domain. But see, the thing is, I can’t. Once something is published in The New York Times or an anthology of essays or even here at Babble, there’s no taking it back. It’s out there. Forever.
So yes, I’ve made my own “oversharing” mistakes, but I was lucky in that when I started writing in this genre more than a decade ago, the pressure that now exists for writer-moms to continually up the “shocking confessions” ante wasn’t part of the equation. The specific lapses in judgment I’ve shown in what I’ve chosen to put out there for other people to read have been entirely of my own doing. I wasn’t trying to compete with anyone else’s confessional style of writing in any way; I just screwed up. Period.
Today, however, in an ever-more-crowded genre of first person writing by mothers – be it blogging, essays or memoirs – it’s become more and more difficult to stand out, garner attention for one’s work, and yes, gain those all important pageviews and comments. Since the advent of the “momoir” genre – a significant new wave of women’s writing that coincided in large part with the dawn of Internet access – many if not most of the Big, Bad Mothering Confessions have already been made. As a result, and as I noted in an essay I wrote for Babble a year or two ago, there is now a ratcheting up of ”I’m a worse mom than you are” subject matter within the world of online parenting publishing. Everyone seems to be looking for the next big provocative topic that will get all of the other parenting blogs, sites and Twitter feeds buzzing.
I am the first to admit that hearing back from an editor that she’s interested in publishing your essay, or seeing your blog grow in audience and feedback can be pretty exhilarating for those of us who grew up dreaming of becoming published writers. But as the competition for an audience in this writing category has grown more crowded, so has the pressure some women, particularly those just starting out and whose children are still quite young, seem to feel to find that next tantalizing ”hook. ” Unfortunately, I think that for some of these newer personal essayists and bloggers today, the challenge of finding buzzworthy content that hasn’t already been explored can lead to pressure to write publicly about things they will one day regret sharing. In the case of the writer-mom in question, the one who admitted her struggle not to prefer one child over another, her shocking confession has certainly garnered her significant attention ..for the moment, at least. But at what cost?
Many commenters on the writer’s essay have already suggested that the author’s currently pre-literate children will one day read what she’s written about her feelings toward each of them, and be hurt or confused by it. While I certainly can’t predict how this writer’s future teenagers will feel about the essay she’s written – although I think I can guess – I am confident in predicting that they will indeed read it. I know this because I’ve lived it, and am living it.
As someone who was arguably on the leading edge of the current wave of confessional, first-person writing by mothers, my children have grown up with me writing about them, and about how I relate to them – first in a regular, local newspaper column, then in magazine essays, and finally online, on parenting sites like Babble and its predecessors. I’ve also been writing about my life as a mom over on my own blog since 2002. (In blogging years, that’s a veritable eternity. ) In other words, my five children have grown up among the very first generation of “the blogged about.”
Given the fact that I did start blogging and publishing essays when my older children were quite young, and continue doing so today, I can reliably report that at some point, today’s blogged-about preschoolers will, in fact, be teenagers with Internet access and library cards, and furthermore, these “blogged about” adolescents absolutely will read what their mothers have published over the years, both online and in print. The pieces of writing that our offspring don’t happen upon all by themselves will be brought to their attention by their friends, their friends’ parents, and their teachers, I promise you. To be very blunt, if you think otherwise, you are deluding yourself.
I totally recognize that I may be coming off as more than a little holier-than-thou with this advice. After all, I already admitted that I myself have, on a few occasions, published pieces of writing related to my life as a parent that I now wish I could take back and make disappear. For the most part, I am very proud of my body of published writing, and so are my kids, and that includes some of the more challenging and controversial things I’ve written. It’s a real pleasure now to see one of my older children discover something I had published in a book or magazine from several years back, and to discuss it with them. However, even those wonderful writer-mom moments can’t erase my own past mistakes as a personal essayist – not for me, and certainly not for my kids, who as younger children never actually consented to me writing about them at all.
The only thing I can say about my past writing indiscretions is that I have definitely learned from them. And maybe, just maybe, via my own confession here to sometimes having over-confessed in years past, some you who are at an earlier stage in your own foray into first-person writing and publishing might also learn from my regrettable errors, rather than repeat them.
So let’s talk about this. What did you think of the essay in question? If you are a writer or a blogger yourself, where do you draw the line when opening up to readers? Am I being a total hypocrite by even suggesting that another mother-who-writes has crossed a line? What’s the most cringeworthy thing you’ve ever read on a blog or in an essay written by a mother? Tell me what you think about all of this in the comments below.
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mamapundit commented on Mar 20 11 at 10:36 amAmy Tuteur, MD commented on Mar 20 11 at 10:53 amThe possibility of the daughter reading her mother’s musings at some time in the future was only one distressing aspect of Kate Tietje’s Babble post. Arguably more disturbing is the fact that Tietje wrote about a serious psychological issue and refused to acknowledge its seriousness.
Tietje fantasized about her child’s death in a piece and follow up in which she also acknowledged that her daughter reminded her of herself, her own mother favored her brother (which had been deeply painful for her), and that her daughter would have cause to complain about the unfair way in which Tietje has treated her. Many commentors implored Tietje to consider therapy to deal with her feelings and thereby protect her daughter from emotionally abusive treatment.
Tietje responded with unconcealed rage, and proceeded to deny what she had written and to edit the original piece to make it comport with her denials. Tietje had apparently written the piece in an effort to get reassurance from other mothers that her feelings were common and widely shared. She found that they were neither. Although she applauded her own “honesty” in sharing her feelings toward her daughter, she condemned the honesty of others who reacted in horror.
While the potential for Tieje’s piece to hurt her daughter in the future is distressing, far more disturbing is Tieje’s confession that she is hurting her daughter today and every day by reliving a family pattern of overtly preferring one child to another. The fact that Tietje honestly laid out all the pieces of that dysfunctional pattern, but then reacted with anger when readers connected the dots made many readers fear for Tietje’s daughter and for Tietje herself.
GP commented on Mar 20 11 at 11:31 amI guess when you crank out child after child their importance gets diluted? This Tietje woman is on her third, too. Why does she have children if she’s so conflicted in so many ways? Because Jesus told her to go forth and multiply? Ugh.
I think the whole mommy-blogging thing is lame and hopefully will jump the shark or die or whatever happens to these trends. Issues-based writing (KAG, I think you’re borderline here, but I’ll give you the credit and put you in with the issues-based ones…) are fine…but when people bring in too much of their personal lives I think it shows some pathological need for attention…and to what end? I think it was better 10-15 years ago when folks would write BOOKS, or at least magazine articles. They’d have time to think it through, there’d be more editing, more gatekeepers…I think it’s all gone too far and people don’t even benefit as much from the “sharing feelings” or from readings being able to say “oh I’m so glad you shared what I am feeling” as they would if they would go find a REAL friend in the REAL world, you know, talk to your mom, your sister, someone at a Mom’s group…and focus more on the children themselves!
marti commented on Mar 20 11 at 11:37 amI could not agree more with Amy Tuteur. This mom revealed some alarming things about herself and then went ballistic when people responded to them (in a very kindly way!) by suggesting she seek help.
A good follow-up post from you might address the phenomenon of the confessional blogger who shares all manner of very personal information and then takes umbrage when people respond to it, claiming that her readers are invading her privacy and should mind their own business. What’s up with THAT?
Monica Bielanko commented on Mar 20 11 at 11:59 amThis is nice closure on this topic, Katie. Really nicely done.
The first comment is spot on. But I suspect Kate has learned a lot more about writing/blogging than she is letting on in her follow up post. To the public she may be defensive but that’s only natural when you have hundreds of commenters coming at you.
Kate’s post is a lesson for all of us, especially the mom bloggers among us trying to one-up each other with our I’m-a-terrible-parent-confessionals.
Kris commented on Mar 20 11 at 12:11 pmGood advice. I’m a new participant in TRDC and I often think about this. The prompts make it easy to get caught up in the moment and say too much.
I have a few posts that felt really good to write but will stay as an unpublished draft.
Kim G commented on Mar 20 11 at 12:20 pmI always applaud honest writing, but this woman’s piece to me was more about shock value. While I believe she is feeling these things, to put it out there in the way that she did was for a purpose. And it backfired. People were very kind- even those that seemed very concerned or bothered by what she had written- and her defensiveness was a sign to me that she didn’t get the responses she wanted or expected.
I have watched patterns of behavior repeat themselves in my family and others. What this writer grew up with is clearly happening again with her own children. She does need to seek help–beyond the comments, beyond this forum. I doubt she will. I predict even more shocking posts to come from her. Very sad.
Lisa Alley commented on Mar 20 11 at 12:22 pmI’d really like to hear how Kate Tietje plans to address this post with her daughter when she finds it someday.
I don’t think you’re a hypocrite for sharing with others what you’ve learned from past experience. Experience is always the best teacher. Unfortunately for Kate Tietje, she may have chose far too open a forum to teach herself a very difficult lesson. It’s very important to identify personal flaws, but with consideration of your audience.
I blog about my family and annoyingly to some, I try to keep it very positive. I also try to consider whether or not the information I am sharing is fair for the other person and how they would react. If I am not willing to discuss information directly with the person I am talking about it’s crossed the line.
Kate Tietje’s post is definitely one of the most shocking and unnecessary that I have ever read. Let it be a lesson to many
TheTallMama commented on Mar 20 11 at 12:36 pmMamapundit was the first mom blog I ever read and the one that recently inspired me to try my own hand at blogging. I really appreciate your advice. I feel the internal pressure to share intimate details of my childrens’ lives in order to draw readers in to my writing. So far I think I have refrained from sharing anything that they will hate me for when they are teenagers. It is an incredible challenge to share anecdotes and opinions that are interesting for others to read and yet do not betray the privacy of my family and friends. I also write with the constant fear of sharing something that could come back to haunt me in my job as a teacher!
Desiree O'Clair commented on Mar 20 11 at 12:43 pmI want to hear more about this mother’s birth experiences, as the experience of each child’s birth has a profound affect on both mother and child, and will continue to have an impact on their relationship as they grow. I do not agree with Amy Tuteur, but that is no surprise – I never do.
LG commented on Mar 20 11 at 12:58 pmWell said Katie and very well said Amy. I also couldn’t understand this blogger’s reactions to the comments. A portion of them were mean and hurtful, but the majority of them were thoughtful. Perhaps she felt so under attack that she should no longer read them clearly. Whatever the case, her unbridled and furious defense of her initial post seriously changed my view of her as a blogger and the respect I might give to her future thoughts.
me commented on Mar 20 11 at 12:59 pmIsn’t there any sort of editor who reads these posts before they go up on Babble? Maybe there should be.
The reality is that we all are drawn more to some people than to others. And I know my own mother loved me and my brother in different ways because of who she was, not because of who we were. I am not surprised Kate would feel that way. And her daughter and son will probably know how she feels whether she writes it or not. But I don’t think it is good for the rest of the world to read it and judge it.
I take care of twin boys who are fraternal. They are very different. I am surprised that I do love them equally despite their differences.
Melissa commented on Mar 20 11 at 1:03 pmThe timing of her post was very coincidental. I had just came up on a year of blogging and wrote a goal for the coming year; I want to be more honest. A few days later, I read Kate’s post. It made me sick. I identified with how the daughter would feel in the future. My mom didn’t blog – but she was honest about loving no. 3 of 4 more than the rest of us. That kind of honesty – the kind Kate practiced publicly with that post and the kind my mom privately voiced – seriously impacts the heart and psyche of someone else in dangerously negative way. It’s just not hurting someones feeling or sparking lively debate – no, its actually *harmful*. I wish to be honest, and prefer very honest writers but I never want to be party to damaging someone – through writing it myself, or reading it through someone I don’t know.
GP commented on Mar 20 11 at 1:15 pmI am really interested in what Desiree O’Clair said…about the blogger’s birth experience, which she mentioned in the controversial post was not great with her daughter. This is SOOOO critical, in my opinion. Not necessarily something that should be hashed out publicly on a blog, but with a counselor if needed. I had a very empowering natural birth experience and I believe strongly that it fed (feeds) my relationship with my child. I can see how a bad birth experience could really mess someone up for some time. Still, perhaps best not dealt with in such a public, flip forum…again, if she could work through it and possibly, possibly write a book if she felt she came through it successfully enough and it really could help others. This blogging every bit of struggle one goes through as a parent is too much.
ain ireland commented on Mar 20 11 at 1:29 pmhi had to say i just read “the essay” and the following essay and all the comments and i have to agree with one of the other comments that maybe in 6 months time babble might take that essay down , i read a lot of your posts katie about H and the rest of your family i dont think i can think of one where i have said i would be bothered about something like that being out in the w.w.w for everone to see but i think that that ladys daughter might find it hurtfull , what was being said not only about her but about her mum and family , let this mum have a chance to sort out what ever it is she need to do
marti commented on Mar 20 11 at 1:39 pmThis “negative birth experience affects relationship with the child” thing is based on what? Nada. Niente. Null. It is pure ideology. Mothering should not be based on ideology!
I have two girls. One a fairly easy pregnancy, the other, in bed for twelve (that’s right, twelve) weeks with premature labor. Which one should I love more: the one who didn’t bother me while I was pregnant, or the other who is my “pearl of great price?” Answer: they are two very different people who call up very different mothering skills. I love them both fiercely, with all my heart and soul. How can I love one more, when I love them both to the max?
suburbancorrespondent commented on Mar 20 11 at 1:42 pmWow – this issue has been seriously overblown! Oh, my goodness. It is clear from the woman’s essay that she takes good care of both her children, but feels closer to her son – it’s “easier,” she says. Tell me that there are not a zillion mother-child relationships out there just like that. If I had read her post when it first came out, I could have reassured her (as a mother of 6) that there would be times in the future (believe it or not) when she would feel closer to her daughter than to her son. The boy is only 20 months old, for heaven’s sake! Wait until he’s making fart noises at the dinner table and she and her daughter are bonding over their mutual disgust.
I feel for the writer. I also would have told her that the only thing she needs to work on is to forgive herself for not feeling exactly the same ALL THE TIME about each of her children. Her daughter will pick up on her guilt, if anything, and play on that.
This woman has been seriously misunderstood and her “issue” has been completely exaggerated. Honey? You’re normal. At one time or another, each of my children has been my “favorite” – and babies always trump the other kids. And I don’t mind putting that out there in public, either, Katie – it’s a fact of parenting.
Rich Hailey commented on Mar 20 11 at 1:46 pmKatie, when blogging about your family, I think the dividing line rests on two major factors. First is the privacy of the folks you are writing about. Will going public hurt them in any way? Second, is there an overriding value to going public that offsets the loss in privacy and the potential for hurt feelings?
In no way should garnering attention for yourself come into play.
Taking your case as an example, when you went public over your son’s problems, you had to balance his privacy with trying to protect other families from tragedy and heartbreak. You weren’t writing to draw attention to yourself, and that makes the difference.
When I write about my family, it’s usually either to brag on how wonderful my kids are, to keep the rest of the family up to date, or to share something that I’ve learned, usually the hard way. One of my first posts was about how easy it is for us as parents to get wrapped up in our day to day responsibilities that we forget that to those little people living with us, we’re their heroes. We have to live up to that image, to show them the best that we can possibly be so they can aim even higher.
We all have to decide for ourselves how much to share, and why we are sharing.
So no, you aren’t being hypocritical. Unfortunately, that’s the common attack when we try to hold ourselves to a higher standard than some of those around us. When we fail, we’re called hypocrites, when in reality, we’re just human.
im-in-tx commented on Mar 20 11 at 1:50 pmLike a previous poster, when I read Tietje’s post I was shocked that a Babble editor didn’t encourage her to tone it WAY down for the sake of both her and her daughter. Another option would have been to make the post anonymous. Because, as Katie G. said, her daughter WILL read it someday, and it WILL hurt (how deeply, I can only imagine).
Tietje’s response was also shocking: blame, denial, rage… No consideration that maybe the strength of her readers’ response indicated a truth she didn’t want to face. I lost some respect for Tietje after reading the initial post, but her follow-up posts eradicated any respect that remained.
zchamu commented on Mar 20 11 at 1:51 pmDooce said it best when she said, in respect to where her boundaries are when it comes to blogging about her kids (and about anything personal), is that the boundaries shift and change. Sometimes what you think is OK one day may not be ok the next or in retrospect.
However, writing something that your child may read in the future that will definitely have a damaging impact to them – not just “if they took it the wrong way” or something, but would definitely, definitely be damaging – I think is beyond anyone’s line or boundary of comfort. She erred significantly.
dewi commented on Mar 20 11 at 1:53 pm@Amy Tuteur well said!
The sad fact that Kate Tietje’s is incapable of recognizing and is defending and rationalizing her feelings is deeply disturbing.You hit on every major reason any mother or parent with these type of unresolved feelings and thoughts need to seek out professional help and participate in therapy to learn how to stop the cycle of emotional abuse.
Alice Miller’s books are a good start giving people insight to recognize things from our their own childhood.
Katie Allison Granju, I like your advise to younger mothers that some of their inner life and issues can be private before hashing out unresolved dysfunctional emotional problems in public that do hurt children and loved ones.
The blogger Kate Tietje can only do better as a mother, when she knows better. If only she was willing to see what she wrote about her chidlren is not normal.
im-in-tx commented on Mar 20 11 at 1:55 pmBy the way, I completely disagree with “SuburbanCorrespondent” that this is overblown. The strength of the response overall has not been to Tietje’s feelings (which, while ugly and harsh, are not unique), but the fact that she posted them with her name, her daughter’s name, and both of their pictures — in a format that will NEVER go away! That anyone thinks that’s OK just blows my mind.
dewi commented on Mar 20 11 at 2:02 pmFor the responders that think its normal what Kate Tietje wrote about her kids or have the same feelings as she does about their children are people who grew up with unresolved emotional abuse and relate to her.
So naturally there is a whole group of responders that want to reassure each other. It’s NOT normal to have those types of unresolved maternal feeling and think about which child you could live without.
It’s the parents job to figure out how to be the best parent to each child you have ,not for a child to figure out how to be your kid!
GP commented on Mar 20 11 at 2:07 pm@ MARTI, I don’t know if you realize it, but the examples you cite are about *pregnancy* not birth experience, and they are YOUR experiences…I think it’s not beyond the realm of possibility that if a woman had a really rough labor and traumatic birth experience, or she was separated from her infant, it might impact bonding in some way…no, not ALWAYS, but it’s certainly not implausible and a 10-second Google search yields a handful of studies on this, just for starters…
dewi commented on Mar 20 11 at 2:09 pm@im-in-tx
I agree with you. I too think “SuburbanCorrespondent” is completely off the mark in her assessment about this as “normal” parent feeling, or that posting and living a family life that is perpetuating her own past family emotional abuse..
marti commented on Mar 20 11 at 2:32 pmGP, you fail to see my point: you could make the argument that the child who arrives more easily, with less trauma, is easier to love……or the argument that the child who cost you more personally is valued more because of the sacrifices you made for her (the metaphorical pearl of great price). In reality our adjustment to mothering is more complex than you claim. It includes our own childhoods, our relationships, our support systems, etc, etc, etc, How we birth is important, but only a small part of the equation.
BTW, mother-child attachment is a legitimate field of research. Educate yourself beyond the University of Google, and stop making ridiculous statements regarding a field about which you obviously know very little.
GP commented on Mar 20 11 at 2:44 pmListen, it’s not MY theory, or MY idea…it happens. It’s a FACTOR in maternal bonding for some women and nobody is saying it’s the only factor. You read about it all the time. Perhaps you can’t see how a person’s experience surrounding the birth of their child might affect how they relate to that child, simply because YOU didn’t have that experience, but just because you can’t see it or didn’t experience doesn’t mean that some people DO experience it. Tietje herself said it. It doesn’t make it right or absolve her from her stupid post, but it can be a factor. You COULD make the argument either way, as you said, which again indicates that the experience does have an affect on the attachment (favorable or not…) What’s your problem?
Juli commented on Mar 20 11 at 2:47 pmAfter commenting several days ago on another blogger’s post regarding Kate Tietje’s Babble post, I discovered the version I had read was the edited, “softened” version. If you really want to get a good overall idea of how disturbing the original post must have been look no further than the countless comments among the 400+ left to see the absolute outrage, concern and disgust. And the follow up tirade of sorts at the bottom of the post where the blogger admonishes readers for assuming she meant death when she referred to it being okay if she lost her daughter but not her son made her appear even more unbalanced. I sincerely hope she seeks professional help not only for herself but for her daughter as well.
Melissa commented on Mar 20 11 at 3:09 pmRE: Birth experience. If she had chose to focus her article on how birth experiences effects mother / child relationship – it would’ve been a very different article and generated much less controversy. But, SHE DIDN’T. She only *mentioned* it. She wrote about loving her son more, imagining how it different it would feel to lose one over the other, and how she’s happy to “start over” with a new baby girl. A post on Birth experience and a post like she wrote are two very different things.
marti commented on Mar 20 11 at 3:12 pmGP, you obviously aren’t reading what I wrote, but no matter.
You are right: it’s not the only factor.
alexandra commented on Mar 20 11 at 3:40 pmThis birth experience thing is mystifying to me. Just for the record, emergency c-section with complications, separation, long recovery. And no way could I fathom loving that child less because of it. In fact, no way could I fathom loving anyone more. It just feels like bullsh.. to me. A cop-out.
Yes, in addition to the future hurt daughter will sustain when she reads her mother’s cruel words, the current damage she experiences from being treated with less patience and love than her brother is also very sad.
Jill commented on Mar 20 11 at 3:53 pmMore than anything, this essay made my heart hurt for the little girl. I don’t understand how a parent could love one child more than another. And I understand even less how this author could share this essay with the world. The thought of this child reading her mom’s words one day makes me want to cry. Also, if the author was trying to get some attention, mission accomplished. But if she was trying to build a loyal following, massive failure. I will not be returning to read anything she writes in the future.
Clisby commented on Mar 20 11 at 4:25 pmI don’t have any trouble understanding how you could love one child more than another, or one parent more than another, or one sibling more than another, or one friend more than another. That’s not what this is all about. This is about a self-absorbed, attention-seeking blogger. Sure, you could say that self-absorption and attention seeking define bloggers, and there’s something to that. However, I think bloggers need to think hard before posting about the people who matter most to them. It’s one thing to post harsh statements about parents or other family members when you couldn’t care less if those people live or die – it’s another thing entirely to publicly state that you love one child more than another. Like, I think Dooce has made it real clear that she loves her second child more than her first – but as far as I know she hasn’t come right out and said it, where her first child will be guaranteed to read it.
Christine commented on Mar 20 11 at 4:47 pmI’m 53. My mother loved my little sister a bit more than she loved me. This obvious difference in the way she thought of us, was short-lived. My sister was born when I was 4; Mom went back to work when I was 7. It was only then my Mom started enjoying me. I can assure you I was not a rotten child. In fact, I think I did a lot of getting out of her hair, and being extra good, so that I wouldn’t further annoy her.
She was terribly unhappy being a stay-at-home Mom, with my Dad working shiftwork. She used to spend a lot of time crying by the window. This kind of behaviour scared the crap out of me. My baby sister — being a baby — was oblivious to her moods and became, therefore, the huggable one.
I remember how my Mom would say she was taking my sister with her to England, and leaving me here with my Dad. I can honestly say I was a good little girl, and have no idea why she loathed me so much.
I forgive her (she turned out to be a pretty fantastic Mom). But forget? No. All these years later I still feel sorry for that little girl.
I have two kids, with the same age difference between them as my sister and I. Yes, they both get different amounts of attention at different times, but I don’t have a “soft spot” for one and not the other. And I sure as hell wouldn’t have admitted it on the internet for the poor girl to read years later.
Shandra commented on Mar 20 11 at 5:26 pmI’m so glad to see you weigh in on this one. I do think your experience is really helpful and I also think it’s very important to highlight that there is pressure to win pageviews and get comments and that pressure often comes along as pushing the boundaries of controversy. In this case that pressure met someone who just seems awfully immature. I do miss the editorial oversight of the traditional media for moments like that. There were a lot of other ways just from a -writing- standpoint that she could have come at the issue without sort of throwing her daughter under the bus.
And seriously, making up for it on the NEXT (female – note, female only) child? That really does cross the line into “crazy” for me. Sorry to be blunt about it but – huh????
I also personally happen to think that the idea that honesty around the dark side of parenting is empowering is kind of over at this point. We get it: I’m reminded of Harriet Lerner’s book The Dance of Connection where she talks about communication involving listening as well as speaking and that we may have overshot on the speaking end. I think confessing to fleeting feelings of favourtism may be helpful. Confessing to specific long-term (her post started that she had thought for a long time on this) negative feelings about one child from birth onwards to three, with very little insight or quest for healing, was dreadful. I was pretty shocked to read so many people agreeing or stating that “of course” there is a favourite.
Even if that is true, I don’t think it should be confirmed by the parent until the child is waaay past maturity. I don’t think parents who experience this need to beat themselves up every night but I think they should work really hard on treating each child with love and respect that is, if not “equal” at least equal to that child’s needs. No child needs to have it confirmed on a blog.
I agree that Alice Miller would have a field day and highly recommend reading her books.
Ruth commented on Mar 20 11 at 6:09 pmKatie, as an avid reader of your work, I can unequivocally say that you and KT are light-years apart in terms of your sense of self-responsibility, your writing acumen, and the way you choose to include your children in your writing. When appropriate, you take the “naked emperor” to task for having no clothes on … even if *you* are that emperor. You own what you write.
As a writer, KT needs to “own it”. She needs to own responsibility for her part in how she continues to fail to relate to her daughter and makes no real attempts to rectify the situation, instead laying the blame on myriad factors ranging from her unsatisfactory birth experience (oh, please) to her daughter’s whining and “high-maintenance” nature. And how about owning the very negative, possibly traumatic fall-out that is likely to occur when KT’s daughter stumbles on this piece someday?
Let’s also not forget that the child in question is THREE years old! That is an age that pretty much guarantees a measure of selfishness, limits testing, and various other types of PIA behavior. Instead of behaving like an adult, and instead of recognizing that ‘three’ is a very temporary condition, KT virtually brags about saying no to her daughter “just because she can” and finds reasons not to spend time with the kid. Hmm, perhaps the kid already senses that she is not exactly adored by her mom, and is reacting accordingly?? But to acknowledge that she is at all to blame for their lacking relationship, to OWN her part, would mean that KT would have to actually admit that she is doing little or nothing to try to change the situation. (Although in a later post she insists that she is thinking about attending a “prenatal bonding” class with her daughter. You know, because that makes more sense than just taking an honest look at her own behavior. Oy,)
KT also needs to “own it” in terms of her writing. I read both versions of her piece – the original one that included the inflammatory “lose one of the children” passage, and the edited version that altered the tone of the piece into something not-quite-so incendiary. Both KT and Babble were highly deceptive, and did readers a huge disservice by not indicating that an edit had been made, or what that edit entailed. If KT truly feels what she feels, if she wrote her own “truth”, then why the redaction? And in what is perhaps the biggest backpedal EVER, in that same post, she refers to loving her children “the same”. Well, which is it, KT? Do you love you daughter “a little less” than you love your son? Or do you love them “the same”? Own it, own it, OWN IT.
The total “F-U” post that KT then proceeded to post in the comments section of that follow-up post was inexcusable. She is a writer in a public forum who presumably gets to choose what to write about and gets paid when her pieces are published. To throw a tantrum when your readers react in a negative way to what you’ve written (and call them “INSANE” – capital letters and all) is unprofessional and should not have been tolerated by the Babble editors. Then again, I’m assuming that it was these same editors who were, for a time, deleting posts that were not disrespectful but merely dared to question the possible fall-out of what KT had written for KT’s daughter in the years to come. And, I’m assuming that it’s these same editors who ultimately closed the comments entirely, for both the original post and its follow-up. Babble isn’t a leather, hand-stitched journal, and it isn’t even a private blog – to be open to all stripes of feedback for what you write for publication in a very public forum, and to put it out there knowing that internet = forever seems to be part of the gig she signed on for.
KT claims that her own mother has had conversations with her about her feelings toward KT that were difficult but ultimately “helpful”. The obvious difference, however, is that her mother was able to control when KT received that info and that she was able to present it as a dialogue rather than in static essay form. It astounds me that KT seems unable – or unwilling – to see the difference, or to understand how potentially-traumatizing it may one day be to her daughter to stumble across the essay and the brouhaha that accompanied it.
One other issue I had with this essay, which was mentioned rarely by others, is that I truly think that KT had an underlying motive for its publication. Katie, while I know that you are a staunch advocate of breast-feeeding and AP, you never become strident about those issues in your writing, you acknowledge that there are no “absolutes”, and you have never to my knowledge written something that could be hurtful to your children just so that you could further promote your own agendas. And this is exactly what I believe that KT has done. She is essentially blaming her difficult relationship with her daughter on her birth experience, She makes comments about the “over-medicalization” of birth, as well. As an adoptee who never HAD any “birth experience” with my parents, good or bad, I truly resent the not-so-subtle suggestion that it’s not possible to be bonded to one’s child if the infant and the mother are not physically touching at all times from the get-go, or if the child is not breast-fed. My parents and I are fiercely “bonded”, and I know many, many adoptees who are bonded with their own parents as well in spite of our “lacking” early days. And as a biological parent who is extremely bonded to my own son, I can assure you that the “medicalization” of his birth – complete with a hospital setting, qualified medical professionals and resources at the ready, and an epidural – is something I’m very thankful for.
After pondering the whole “I could lose my daughter and really not care” issue, KT goes on to say that she hopes that the child she is expecting is a girl so that, in essence, she can have a “do-over” in mothering a daughter. She also writes that she and her husband follow the “Quiverful” philosophy of the Duggars, and will have as many children as G-d will allow them to have. Yes, rather than committing to maybe being a better parent to the children she HAS, she wants to birth a litter of them in a quest to somehow fulfiill “G-d’s will” or something. I can’t even begin to parse out everything sickening and misguided about what she’s saying and doing in this vein.
Sorry for the interminably long post. This obviously struck a chord in many of us, myself included. And I wanted to make sure, Katie, to let you know that, IMO, you have not come close to crossing the lines of responsible parenting/blogging the way that KT has done.
Janice commented on Mar 20 11 at 6:19 pmI think that the biggest problem I have with Kate’s original post, as well as other instances of putting into print things about the children that are very personal, is that once you publish it, you’re forever married to the words you said even as your reality ebbs and flows. Life is forever teaching me that many things I “knew” were wrong. Relationships with children go through changes that you could never forsee when your children are toddlers and preschoolers–and when you have multiple children, things change a lot over the years.
My children are 18, 14, and 8, and there have been times when I was closest to each of them (and it will keep changing). It changes a lot over time as each of us cycles through transitions; it’s not something that solidifies and stays that way. I’m so glad I didn’t ever put into print any of my ideas, which were so very temporary over the course of their lives.
shari commented on Mar 20 11 at 6:37 pmHi Katie:
What bothers me the most about the other Kate’s article is that she secretly hopes her new baby is a girl. She’s missing out. I hope she doesn’t give up. Her little girl can be trained and she can start over again. Her girl isn’t too old to start over. It will take work, but it can be done.
I feel for her. I also can relate a little to what she’s saying. We have an 8 year old son who has early onset mental illness. He is a handful and makes our home chaos everyday with very little peace here. I admit there’s been times I haven’t liked him. I have struggled. I love my son unconditionally! I really do! We maintain residential-types of behavior everyday with him. The decisions have been very difficult regarding him. When he’s “down” and he’s making good decisions and getting better it is much easier, but we don’t see much of that.
I am sure I will get lambasted for this comment but I am being honest.
As far as my personal blog goes, I keep it pretty generic. Sometimes I write about the hard times and other times about the good, too. I do post pics of my kids and I use their real names.
Shari
GP commented on Mar 20 11 at 6:41 pmIf only KT had the slew of sycophant fans KG had…gosh…KT needs help, fer sure. I don’t think bloggers should really spend alot of time lashing back at commenters…BUT, give the woman a break now and let her deal with her stuff. After more though, I am viewing this subsequent post and ensuing comments as, yeah, a pile-on. Shame on Babble for publishing it in the first place. Shame on bringing MORE attention to it. Seems like an easy place for moms of ALL stripe to stroke each other and say they’d never do that and how bad KT is…IMO, *MOST* mommy-blogging has gone too far in various directions and many people need to get a life.
A.K. commented on Mar 20 11 at 6:44 pmLoving someone fully and completely is a choice. Period. Based on some commentary herein, adopted children don’t stand a chance. Good heavens. It’s appalling that any parent would have difficulty bonding and loving their child. Get over your own past, grow up, and give your children the love they deserve.
Pamela Brown commented on Mar 20 11 at 6:55 pmI regret reading that essay and looking through her earlier ones. Aside from the fact that I disagree with a few of her positions and she comes off as very self-important, she’s not a very good writer.
Carol (middle-aged-diva) commented on Mar 20 11 at 9:09 pmI just read her blogpost.
Bottom line: Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.
If my mother had written this and I’d read it, it would have been devastating.
Good sense should always prevail over “honesty,” which is vastly overrated. Of course, I probably overshare.
Claire R commented on Mar 20 11 at 10:19 pmI have always said to my children, “You can’t put the water back in the faucet.” I cannot fault Kate for her feelings, of course, but I think she took a big risk with her daughter’s heart by putting her feelings out there on the web. She cannot take them back. I think the privacy and respect lines have been crossed, and I think it’s regrettable.
Liz commented on Mar 20 11 at 10:36 pmI do not get and never have gotten the whole “mommy blogging” phenomenon. Long before blogging hit the scene, I was turned off by “Kathie Me Gifford” prattling on and on about Cody on her show. I thought it was disgusting to pimp your family out then for attention and/or ratings and I think it is even more so now that every Ann, Mary and Jane is finding the need to reveal the most intimate details of those too young to protest such a thing.
I do truly get the need to share for reassurance. HOWEVER, this is what a friend or a therapist is for. NOT the entire world.
As an aspiring writer, I have made a pointed effort to keep other people OUT of my writing, except in the most tangential manner. Can I write about my experiences as a mother without really bringing the kid into it? Certainly. There are common threads to parenting in which the mention of the child him/herself is almost unnecessary except to confirm that yes, one is a mother. Maybe I having spent so much of my adult life in the rooms of various twelve step programs, I get the concept of “keeping it about yourself” more than a lot of other people do.
I still remember reading a recent article in some magazine written by a woman whose mother regularly wrote articles on “children and health” in the sixties. She was the subject of her mothers articles and her entire childhood battle with her weight and her mothers navel gazing about the same was laid out for all to see. I thought of mommy bloggers and how it may come back to bite them years from now. Her mother still didn’t quite get why the daughter was so POed because after all, the mother was “just doing her job”
Now I need to copy and past this because I may have a blog post mostly laid out for moi. I just did my own work!!!
Yve (yveblogs.wordpress.com) commented on Mar 21 11 at 1:46 amHave been lucky to avoid this issue, as my kids are already teens and keep me fairly reined in re issues to do with them, as a psychologist I am concerned not only about the author’s wellbeing, but also about the amount of positive re-enforcement she is receiving for this.
The huge amount of feedback and readership suggests that noone is identifying her as the unwell individual she appears to me to be, rather as a bit of a mom celebrity, which makes me feel uneasy.
Elsbeth commented on Mar 21 11 at 4:27 amIt’s unfortunate that this woman has chosen a line of work that she does very badly. She’s young, pregnant, convinced of the correctness of her alternative views, and she has seriously poor judgment. In her line of work, errors are nailed to the barn door and they cause real harm. It’s not just that post; look at the more recent one on raising boys versus girls: it’s just plain shallow and ignorant and she’s becoming ever more defensive of her views because of the attacks, something that really doesn’t bode well for the future. There should be some sort of Hippocratic oath for mommy bloggers: “First, do no harm…” I’m glad there’s a kind of sisterhood in operation and that wise advice can reach her, even if she chooses not to listen.
Ado commented on Mar 21 11 at 8:32 amAs a new blogger myself I appreciated your cautionary vision of my kids reading stuff I might write about them in future – very helpful perspective you gave me. As for Kate Tietje’s Babble post most of what needs to be said has already been said in the previous comments – but I do want to add that in her Follow Up post, she totally crossed the line into unlikeable narcissist when she told her readers that the reason we were upset about her post was that in our darkest, most private moments…we had the same thoughts as her. I have never had thoughts like this, and frankly from what I know about moms, most don’t. She needs serious therapy.
As for the whole mom-blog confessional genre, it’s interesting how the topic of a mother’s thoughts cause people like your commenter Amy Tuteur, above, to get so upset about the mom-blogger genre – I personally don’t like novels written in the horror genre, so it’s simple: I don’t read them. I find it amusing that this commenter is taking the time to post about how she despises mommy blogs…on a mommy blog, which means that she is, in effect, reading a mommy blog.
Thanks for your article.
http://www.themomalog.com
Leslie commented on Mar 21 11 at 9:13 amI LIKE some of my children more than others. I LOVE them all the same. And I’m not going to tell anybody which ones I LIKE better (which changes, anyway). I’m definitely not going to write it down, sign it, and post it on my blog.
Perhaps she realized that she need to come up with a controversial topic to attract traffic since her writing skills were certainly not going to take her anywhere. Seriously, her post was unpleasant to read because of the poor writing almost as much as the subject matter.
GP commented on Mar 21 11 at 9:29 amI disagree with the woman’s expressed philosophies, and she is certainly a little rambly in her posts, but I don’t really see all that much high-quality super-stellar writing in *any* of the “mommy bloggers” I’ve read (and I’ve read samplings of many), further, Babble seemed to think good enough of her to hire her, so why not stop attacking her writing skills, that just sounds really petty….
geri a commented on Mar 21 11 at 9:30 ami don’t get the whole mommy blog thing either. I started reading katie’s blog because a friend told me she had also lost a son to addiction, as I had, and I have followed that part of the story. usually the other stuff she blogs about I don’t read, but I do find henry’s and his family’s story, compelling. so much of the stuff i have stumbled upon in mommy blogs sounds like things the author should be sharing with her close friends, family or signficant other, or yes, maybe a counselor, clergy, not the whole world. yikes. not every thought we have is relevant, interesting, or needs to be shared with strangers.
laura commented on Mar 21 11 at 9:37 amWhen you write, or produce any kind of art, really, you have to take into consideration that once the piece is out of your hands, it is also completely out of your control. And part of the beauty of writing, and art, is that the reader/viewer of the work brings their own experiences and interpretations into understanding it. So with that in mind, I just find Trentje’s piece to be very … immature. In her comment follow ups, she writes, essentially, “no, no, that’s not what I meant!” and seems to be mad at the commentators. Well, you know, she put it out there. She phrased things vaguely. And if they were interpreted in a way she didn’t like, well, then, the onus is on her. As writers, it is part of our job to make things crystal clear if we don’t expect a thousand different interpretations that may be different from our own intention.
That said, I also really do feel for her daughter. As a person who doesn’t have an exceptionally strong relationship with my own mother, I worry about this, too. I would be so heartbroken to come across something like that one day. I do have a little boy, a mama’s boy with whom my bond is very strong. And I worry about how to develop a good relationship with the little girl who is set to join our family any day now. However, as she is young, I see it as my job to figure this out, and to do my best to love her in the way that she needs. I hope that Trentje can figure out how to get some help or at the very least, get over herself enough to develop a better relationship with her daughter. Her daughter deserves it, and so does Trentje.
Austin W. Dallas commented on Mar 21 11 at 11:55 amI tend to over share my life on my blog, but I protect people’s true identities. I do my best to ensure that if you read one of my stories you do not know the actual person in the story. Even the people who know me personally do not know exactly who I may be referring to. Hopefully you take a moment to read one and you may be able to relate in some way to your own experience and be able to laugh at me and at yourself.
Read my over sharing -> http://www.austinwdallas.com/content/the-girls-that-end-in-e.html
heatherw commented on Mar 21 11 at 1:39 pmTietje’s piece was disturbing to read. I think it was too much information for the internet, and for her own daughter to be able to find someday. Parenting is hard. The emotions aren’t always pretty. The desire to do your best is overwhelming. The children are amazing, and frustrating – my mother used to call parenting a “miserable joy”.
That being said, I do think there are areas parents (Tietje in this case) don’t need to show the world. It is too damaging potentially to her own family. This is best left for conversations between spouses, or client and therapist, or close friends. I didn’t need to know this about Tietje to understand that parenting is hard. Actually, reading it made me feel a like I’d seen something I shouldn’t have.
What she published (note: I didn’t say “wrote”), shows her lack of perspective about parenthood. Parenting is about putting the child’s needs at the forefront. By publishing this piece, she has humiliated not only herself, but her daughter.
dewi commented on Mar 21 11 at 3:04 pmWhat matters is the child lives everyday with the emotional damage her mother is inflicting on her by not loving her enough. I don’t even think it matters that she published this post on the Internet. The child already feels her mothers lack of unconditional love.
What matters is this women is struggling to raise a child that she is does not love unconditionally, and she needs therapeutic help to stop the cycle of emotional abuse towards her daughter.
Molly commented on Mar 21 11 at 3:24 pmI can’t weigh in on the specific essay in question — too much blood under the bridge (to quote Richard Burton’s character in the movie Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf).
But I do think she did something valuable, and that it’s probably a bad idea for parents to say such things in a space and way that might make them identifiable.
When I was pregnant and suffering through morning sickness, my mother took that opportunity to tell me my child would never be less trouble than this — a perspective on parenting that I’d never heard from her. Over the next 30 years she gradually acknowledged that, while of course she loved us, if she’d had it to do over again she never would have been a mother. By the time I was 50 this came as no surprise, and was no longer a hurtful idea.
What stung, though, was all the messages she had given me, during my own childhood, that said the opposite. She talked all the time about the fulfillment she felt as a mother, how delighted she was to be raising us, how much she loved us, on and on. In what she later labeled an effort to Make Sure You Children Always Felt Loved, she had made motherhood sound delicious, idyllic, obviously the most brilliantly wonderful occupation she could have chosen.
On the strength of that parental programming, I had my first child at 21. By 23 I had realized I wasn’t cut out for full-time parenting. If I had only known.
And it’s that: the ‘if I had only known’ part — that I applaud in the confessional writing of the current generation of mom-bloggers. If, in the next generation, only people who really want the job become parents, we might avoid breeding ourselves out of house and home. We might, as a society, raise children who are universally wanted and unconditionally loved by their parents, and who are genuinely appreciated by the childless people around their families, people who get to interact with children on a part-time basis.
But could I say this under my own name on my own blog? How would my children feel?
kathy commented on Mar 21 11 at 3:47 pmWhat I find amazing is that so many women imagine that people care about their day to day lives. The whole genre of mommyblogging has gotten out of hand and has incited a level of navel-gazing that is probably not healthy. People used to write in journals when they wanted to express themselves. Mommyblogging fits into that category of pathetic American traits around “look at me.” It is no coincidence that mommyblogging and reality tv shows are currently so popular.
Karen commented on Mar 21 11 at 3:57 pmPerhaps the blogger mentioned “Sophie’s Choice” because the author is not a very good writer, and when she tried to think of an example of a mother having to make a hard choice she came up with this heart-wrenching story from the Holocaust. Would the readers have been equally shocked if Tietje had referred to “The Parent Trap,” where twins are separated during a divorce, to describe the kind of loss she was imagining?
Allie F. commented on Mar 21 11 at 4:41 pmI do not believe in sharing my deepest inner thoughts unless I feel that they could truly help someone else. And even then, I would never write anything that I feel could come back and harm my child in someway. I often think, if my child reads what I just wrote about them, what will they think about it in 15-20 years?
Kay commented on Mar 21 11 at 4:43 pm@Ruth- excellent, excellent comment. I agree 100% (long comment, but worth the read!)
Kay commented on Mar 21 11 at 4:48 pmAlso, it’s seriously shockingly unprofessional and dishonest of Babble to have edited her original essay, but given NO indication that it has been edited (and of course, closed comments so her tender feelings aren’t hurt).
Paula commented on Mar 21 11 at 5:12 pmI strongly don’t think that Tietje should have written what she wrote, and I hope she does not find that she regrets it later for the way it impacts her relationship with her daughter. I think she confuses love with ease and would argue that they are not at all the same.
I would have been devastated and hurt, had my mother written such a blog post. My mother always told my sister and me that she loved us equally. Yes, she was closer to my sister and had more in common with her, but I believe she loved me equally, even though I was the more challenging child. Tweens and even teens have not developed their minds enough to see the beauty of our human imperfections as parents, that she hopes her daughter will appreciate, more often seeing life in black and white, and I think there is the potential for much hurt and sadness in her family because of what she has written.
I have two sons and do, in my heart of hearts, love them equally. They are so different. One has more frustration and challenges and outbursts that I need to address; yet, he is kind and loving and talented. My other son sees the world more impassionately to some degree, and yet I can appreciate his order and rationality. One son is easier, but I love them both as the unique individuals that they are. I do feel sad that any parent could think otherwise.
vanessa commented on Mar 21 11 at 6:42 pmI don’t believe in favoritism though i do believe that sometimes it might APPEAR that you favor a child more.I distinctly remember my mother telling me (when my kids were 1 and 4) that my eldest was obviously my favorite.My mom lived overseas and it was the first time she had met my one year old.My 4 year old DEMANDED my time and attention…thats the kind of child she was…while my baby was the happiest baby you ever met…a social butterfly who would just as happily keep herself occupied for ages.I was absolutely shocked and horrified at my mothers comment, yet i can see how an outsider would look at the situation and think that i was playing and interacting more with the older child…because i was…It didn’t mean she was my favorite! I will openly admit that I prefer toddlers and older children to babies…I am not a “baby” person ..for a lot of people its the other way around….At NO stage did i feel that i loved one daughter more then the other.I agree with suburban correspondent…there are times you will feel closer to one child….now that my girls are 7 and 10 I actually feel closer to my younger child as the older one matures and wants less of my time while the younger still wants me around all the time for love and cuddles.The blogger is entitled to her feelings and while we might not agree with her decision to put her feelings out in the open..we also need to respect her right to do so.I do think she will find her feelings will change constantly over time.
Rebecca C commented on Mar 21 11 at 7:09 pmI just wanted to point out that I doubt her kids will surprised when they read her piece someday. They may be upset by it, but they probably will not be surprised. If my husband happened across an article by his mother saying that she always preferred her little brother over him, he’d be hurt, but not shocked in the least.
You know when you aren’t the favorite.
Joy commented on Mar 21 11 at 7:32 pm” if you read the hundreds of comments on the essay , you will find many from women who thank the essayist for saying something out loud that they themselves had previously been afraid to admit.”
I just want to throw out there that I had written two thoughtful, yet critical comments on her initial blog and they were removed by the moderator. Others complained of the same thing happening to them.
I believe that many, many “negative” responses were deleted and that is just so wrong. When reading a story about this blog on Jezebel.com I noticed, there are over 25,000 comments (almost exclusively critical) to the one story and over 35,000 comments (also almost all negative) to the other story linking to this bloggers posts. Differences in demographics and even the way the story was framed by the Jezebel piece can’t account for such a huge discrepancy. No way.
Not only is it personally frustrating to have your comments deleted, but it also gives readers of the comment section an inaccurate view of readership feedback.
Lorraine Sommerfeld commented on Mar 21 11 at 7:48 pmI write about my kids for a living, for the biggest paper in Canada. Been doing it for over 7 years. You better believe there is a boundary.
While the rule now is that they get to okay anything that goes to print (they’re 16 & 19), in the earlier going, I had to be that boundary. I was fierce. Anyone who thinks the internet isn’t pervasive and forever is a fool. Anyone who refuses to be told that is a willful fool.
My biggest concern with ‘mommyblogging’ is the number of women who are willing to exploit their children for a perceived payoff, an imagined potential, a future paycheque. They are doing it for nothing, or very little. Tell your kids that when they’re older. Doing it for money would be flat out wrong; doing it for nothing? Ridiculous.
If you can’t keep an audience or gain a foothold without exploiting your family, you’re not a very good writer. Do something else.
Ruth commented on Mar 21 11 at 11:25 pm@Kay (3/21, 4:43 PM), Wow, thanks so much for the very kind words! There’s just so much wrong with this entire situation that I keep shaking my head as a new “wrong thing” pops into my mind. And yes … The fact that there was absolutely NO mention by Babble about how the initial post had been edited – or even that it HAD been edited, period – is completely unprofessional, unethical, and just plain crap. And closing comments for several of poor, misunderstood KT’s posts (I was going to refer to her as “the writer”, but decided to be “honest”) was just the icing on the cake. (See, I’m shaking my head again … ;-)
Linda, the original one commented on Mar 21 11 at 11:36 pm@Gretchen Powers, why are you posting under @GP again? Is it because of all your prior nasty comments to KAG regarding her son’s death? Just wondering…
GP commented on Mar 22 11 at 8:16 am@ Linda. No it is not. Using my full name was in response to another poster’s criticism of “anonymous” comments last year in general. Nobody else uses their full name, though, so, why should I? I am not saying anything wrong, nor did I last year. My comments last year were NOT directed TO KAG, they were ABOUT her situation…and I stand by my stated opinion on that, although I agree I did not have to reiterate it so many times in so many ways. Still, since you bring it up, I do find it odd/curious/etc. that KAG would choose to so magnanimously offer “advice to a young blogger.” I will take the high road, though, and not further bring KAG’s story to this thread and I would advise you to do the same, if you think you are so high, too. I guess you, like the mommy bloggers, may need to get a life.
Bev commented on Mar 22 11 at 10:10 amHonestly I find it hard to understand at all how that woman could feel that way and make those comments about her children. My two are very different and both present different challanges. One is much more “difficult” than the other but the thought of losing either is equally unbearable and I love them both so much that for someone to try and justify loving one of their children more than another….well I’m sorry I just can’t understand that.
Katie Allison Granju commented on Mar 22 11 at 10:30 amLinda and Gretchen – First of all, thank you both for reading and commenting. And also, I am perfectly okay with readers discussing my son’s struggle with addiction and his death, here or elsewhere. I am grateful to have the opportunity to share Henry’s story, as painful as it is for me personally, because so very many people have told me that it’s impacted their views on addiction, and that it’s encouraged them to speak more clearly and often to their own kids about drugs. – Katie
Linda, the original one commented on Mar 22 11 at 1:35 pm@GP, I don’t care what name you use. I just found it odd that it seemed to start on this particular thread. I’m sorry to hear that you still see nothing wrong with your venomous past comments about KAG. I’m glad she can be so magnanimous about it. Seeing you comment on one of her posts again just reminds me of the completely vile things you said before. If you want to keep pretending the hateful way you acted was right, have at it. Anyone who has been around here awhile, knows different.
Linda, the original one commented on Mar 22 11 at 1:38 pm@GP, also if “Gretchen Powers” is your real name (which you claim, but I doubt) how are you any different than the mom bloggers? You post about your daughter on here every single day. It would seem that all your momblogger criticism also applies directly to you. Is that why you switched to GP for this thread?
Amy commented on Mar 22 11 at 2:07 pmJoy, I also wrote what I thought was gentle comment, about how her children were still so young, etc, and that my boy started easier but is now harder. I just looked and it’s gone gone. If faintly critical comments are being purged, how many others diappeared to make it look like maybe only half of the readers disagreed?
Joy commented on Mar 22 11 at 3:16 pmYes, the removing of comments that don’t support the author is just poor and I think that it happened a lot on those two blog posts. According to Tietje’s most recent post, the author has authority to remove posts themselves, um… conflict of interest? Especially when others (such as this post) site activity on the comments. There really should be some disclaimer that the author can remove comments or they should be moderated by someone else.
The other huge, HUGE issue I have with her piece is that she did alter the post to exclude this sentence, “I think it wouldn’t be so bad if I lost my daughter, as long as I never had to lose my son.” I mean, really thank god she obviously saw how inappropriate that statement is. But, there is no mention from the editor or the author that there was a change in the story. I know these are “just” bloggers, but really do they have any editorial standards at all?
Nicole commented on Mar 22 11 at 3:29 pm@KAG re: “Linda and Gretchen – First of all, thank you both for reading and commenting. And also, I am perfectly okay…”
You’re always classy and a pleasure to read, even if I don’t agree with your take on a particular issue.
ChiLaura commented on Mar 22 11 at 4:18 pmwow. I know I’m late to this party — babble hiatus for awhile — but I just read this post and comments, and then the original Tietje post. I guess that I’m opening myself up to “terrible parent” criticism, but I didn’t think that it was that bad. Then again, I’ve also engaged in Sophie’s CHoice-type imaginings (I won’t say “fantasizing,” as someone above did), and I don’t think that it’s that uncommon. I just saw “S’sC” this year, and of course it prompted me to think, “What would I do?” in such a situation! And then, as KT says in her essay, I immediately want to go and hug all three kids. For the record, I’ve also contemplated if I’d rather have my husband die or divorce me — die, for the record; I think that I’m just prone to morbid imaginings. But they’re nothing more than that! It’s like watching a movie. I’ve always had a vivid and active imagination, and this is one way it’s evolved in adulthood.
I also sympathize with KT on her kids different personalities. My eldest son is like her daughter — defiant (on bad days), not such a cuddler, independent. My younger two, especially the baby, love to snuggle and don’t *react* to things in the same way my eldest does. My husband says that #1 has inherited all of his worst traits — hot-headedness, emotional roller coaster, intensity. These are the things about my husband that bug me most, so is it any wonder that I clash with his clone, our eldest child? That doesn’t mean that I love him less, though it does sometimes mean that I have to slow down and remind myself that I love him, he’s not just trying to get under my skin, and even if he is, it’s my responsibility to show him appropriate behavior. I can totally understand KT’s sentiments, though, yeah, maybe I would disagree with publishing them so publicly. I do hope that her relationship with her eldest daughter grows much closer, so that when her daughter is older, the daughter will be able to look back and realize how much her mom has overcome these inclinations.
And I totally agree with Suburban Correpsondent above: My “favorite” kid is pretty much whichever one I’m looking at in any given moment, and BABIES TRUMP ALL!
Kelly commented on Mar 22 11 at 4:36 pmI think Kate was being painfully honest. Don’t judge her. As for what it might do to her daughter in years to come, I don’t know. What I do know is that a lot of people on these comments seem to be implying that she might need therapy. Yes, she might. And, if she does need it, let’s hope she’s not too humiliated at this point to go get it.
Linda, the original one commented on Mar 22 11 at 5:37 pm@CHILAURA, if you *just* read the article, you read the cleaned up version. The original was much worse. It was edited and republished with no acknowledgement of such due to the neagtive feedback.
K100K commented on Mar 22 11 at 5:50 pmCouple of things that crossed my mind as I was reading the initial essay (which I found odd, troubling and more than slightly narcissistic)…
1. Just because you think it, doesn’t mean you need to *SHARE* it with the world. It’s not all about you, and some things are better left unsaid.
2. OF COURSE Babble is going to post it – the more dramatic the essay, the more hits on the site, the more ad revenue, the more businesses on board, the more media play and word of mouth, etc. While I enjoy the site, I realize this is a business looking to get more bang for their Internet buck. We are all proof of that right now.
I believe someone hit an all-time alarmist low with a title I saw today – “RSV Is On the Rise, Should We Freak?”. Really? Is that helpful?
3. Right now, there are 3.9 million moms blogging their (and their kids’) hearts out, and admittedly most are for their personal use – but for even a fraction of writers hoping to make a living – it means serious competition. Most parenting topics have been beaten to death, so how does someone get established? Get people talking and get page views up. Done and done.
Stats from http://hoticeshop.com/?p=5284. Times have changed and even if Babble takes the essay down it’s already gone viral. All it takes is one mom at the girl’s preschool, a neighbor or anyone down the line to mention it to a friend in front of her child. Kids are cruel and this is the motherload of material.
“Your mom doesn’t love you. I have proof”. Play that scene in your head!5. I actually feel bad for the little boy too. What impact will this have on him? I guess you can argue it will make him feel loved (?) but I suspect it shifts the burden of any and all family problems squarely onto his shoulders down the line.
We’ve all put our collective foot in our mouths – but I urge her to keep it there in the future when the urge to over-share strikes.
K100K commented on Mar 22 11 at 5:54 pmI will add that if a blogger has the b–ls to write a controversial essay, she needs to employ those same b–ls and own it when it blows up. I’d still personally be uncomfortable with it, but I might actually respect her for going there.
GP commented on Mar 22 11 at 6:40 pm@ Linda…since you are SOOOO concerned about why I switched the handle, you may notice I switched it for every thread and for the reasons I already gave. I am different from the “mommy bloggers” because I don’t write lengthy posts, I might mention my kid does this or that as a comment, just like any other parent on here, and many times I don’t include reference to my child in my comments…and I certainly don’t say anything embarassing or disparaging about my child, if anything I err on the side of acting like my child is so wonderful…I am also different because I comment here in my “spare time” I don’t spend alot of time on it and I don’t do it as therapy or because I think my life is so interesting to other people…it’s just a timekill between tasks, etc. I don’t for the life of me understand why you are so interested in ME in particular…this thread is not about ME…it’s a little odd, Linda. Again…get thee a life…I know you have several kids you need to be mothering, get to it!
Sara commented on Mar 23 11 at 12:08 amIt is just extraordinarily upsetting to see what this woman has written. I very much despair for her children when they grow old enough to read them.
Trippeduplife commented on Mar 23 11 at 12:18 amI started my reading of all this stuff with KT’s response to her own article, then a very scathing blogpost from another writer who admits to skimming & potentially putting words in the original author’s mouth. What disturbed me the most was the “Sophie’s Choice” reference & honestly I thought maybe it was only used by the scathing writer just for traffic purposes. And then I read the original article – Sophie’s Choice was KT’s comment in the original essay. Like you KAG, I think that’s what really made it more than somewhat inappropriate to me, I think.
As a new blogger myself, but someone who’s written for a living for years, I believe the original post falls into the “overshare” category and is not a direction I expect to take in my own writing. I also appreciate KAG’s perspective and will take her comments to heart too.
However, I feel bad for KT. As a mother of triplets, I find it almost impossible not to compare one triplet to another, partially as a way of saying, “Are we on track? Are we hitting milestones?” It may also be a tool for survival in the midst of caring for 3 two-year-olds. (When one tantrums, another may be hugging you. When one is inconsolable, another may be perfectly content with a toy) And, as any multiple parent is apt to do, I also periodically look at my husband and say, “what if we would have had them one at a time, can you imagine the time we could spend on “so&so” – whoever it is who happens to be in my arms at the moment.” In the multiple world, that may be just as bad as admiting you have favorites.
Maybe I’m naive, but I do think KT is a bit confused about parenting altogether. Parenting differently does not mean loving more or less – it means providing a child with what they need at that moment. (which may not always look like the idyllic version of love – hugs and kisses, etc.) If I expected that I would love each of my 4 daughters the same, I would set myself up for failure at every turn. Instead, I try to focus on loving my 4 daughters individually with respect to who they are – their personalities, gifts, talents & yes, their faults too. I still think KT’s essay would have been better served as a discussion in a support group or among safe friends rather than for the world to see, but I’m not prepared to slam her as a mother.
Betsy commented on Mar 23 11 at 9:50 amWhen I read the original essay, I couldn’t help but wonder if I was being baited, and fed something which was written, premeditatively, with Oprah in mind. Someone looking to fill Tiger Mom’s worn out shoes. Then I started to wonder how accountable we should hold parenting websites for influencing naive new mom bloggers, using them per se, to drive traffic with gratuitously viral content. I could be completely off the mark. I am a blogger who shares too much as well, and, believe me, I am constantly feeling that pressure to push out of my comfort zone to “keep up with the Tweeters and the Stumblers.”
The mom blogger audience is a hungry and demanding bunch. Writing about how much you love and embrace every aspect of motherhood, unless you are SouleMama, just doesn’t seem to interest anyone. Write an article about how much you love your husband, get 5 comments. Write one about how much you hate him, get inundated with commentary high fives. It’s kind of alarming.
Long story short, this whole affair, smacks of … I don’t know, trying too hard to be provocative and controversial. The essay just didn’t come off as genuine to me. Did anyone else feel this way?
Leah Beah commented on Mar 23 11 at 9:55 amTo echo what a lot of other, very thoughtful commenters have written, it’s too bad her kids can read this one day (and I agree that they will find it). No child wants to think they were loved less, or even more for that matter, than a sibling. Sometimes it’s better to leave things unsaid. Just because you have the ability to “admit” your feelings does not mean it’s appropriate to do so. It’s called self control.
Kelly commented on Mar 23 11 at 12:12 pmDo you commenters hate all women, or just Kate T?
TK commented on Mar 23 11 at 5:22 pmPlease. It’s not about hating Kate T. Rapidly passing online momblog memes give rise to the worst kinds of traffic-inducing posturing, at times. Some things need to be called out for what they are: unacceptable. I am appalled at the throngs of people who rushed to Kate T’s support. It is no wonder this nation is in such cognitive dissonance. So much to say on this, I wouldn’t know how to organize my thoughts – well done.
Amy commented on Mar 25 11 at 11:55 pmI want to start out by saying that I love Katie A G’s blog on Babble as well as her personal blog, and have been following both for almost a year now. In general I think Babble’s presence in the online parenting community is fantastic and pure in its honesty, candor, and variety of perspectives and stances.
But I can’t believe the gall of that woman, or of Babble throughout this situation. As you said, Katie, I think that she genuinely feels as though she’s being brave by speaking about the subject. It’s quite evident in both of her posts, especially in the follow-up, which she begins by claiming that everyone who takes issue with her first post is just projecting their own relation to the topic on her. Uh, what? I’m sure she’s not the first mother to think some of those thoughts and that she believes, in publishing them, she is getting at a taboo subject that should be discussed in a community of mothers and fathers. She needs professional mental and emotional counseling–intensive therapy and probably lots of it. That is not meant to be a derogatory comment towards her, it is simply THE ONLY PLACE she should be talking about the issue she has in its current state. If, in a few years, whens he has conquered feelings which emotionally neglect her oldest child, she would like to come back and reflect on her experiences in therapy, learning to love a child to whom she’s never felt bonded, that’s one thing. That is actually HELPFUL and WORTHY of the discussion. But to throw out such sentiments and then use the “at least I’m being honest about not being a perfect mother” line? That’s an untruth. Quite frankly she’s emotionally scarring a young child and leaving her with baggage they may never overcome–she’s not even a DECENT mother. And her idea that her new pregnancy is going to replace the relationship she doesn’t have with her oldest daughter? Horrifying. This lady does NOT need another dependent. More aptly, her daughter does NOT need ANOTHER sibling to feel replaced by and take up all of her mother’s love and attention.
I have a big issue with Babble over the topic of this blogger though, too. First, its editors decided to edit content out post-publishing, not just in her first blog, but in the subsequent self-defense post as well. I understand it’s common practice to proof essays before publishing, but they edited out some of the most damning and offensive material one of their blogger’s conjured up… after they let it slide past their proofing the first time. (Honestly? There are very few things you can get away with comparing to the Holocaust these days–who DOES that?) Then, they disallow comments after a very short time because people are rightfully personally attacking the woman. Her post was personal, of course the people who vehemently disagree with her will respond personally. So, Babble creates real discussions in the real online parenting community… but then changes their mind. Great approach. I’d rather see an apologetic post from them saying they decided to remove the post(s) because they are embarrassed of their editors’ and blogger’s decision to publish a blog that is so misaligned with their alleged mission. Shame on you, Babble, for the way you’ve handled the entire situation. You should encourage your employee not to return to posting at Babble unless and until she seeks therapy she and her family desperately need.
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