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Fourth Grader Gets Two Day Suspension For “Kick Me” Sign

Posted by danielle sullivan on February 18th, 2011 at 8:48 am
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Fourth Grader Gets Two Day Suspension For ‘Kick Me” Sign

A fourth grade student in a New York City school has been suspended for two days for placing a “kick me, please” sign on the back of another student.

With the city’s anti-bully policy in full force, the school says it basically had no choice but to suspend the student. Since 2008, New York City has officially banned bullying from its school system.

According to The New York Post, school Principal Darryl Alhadeff explained his reasoning behind the decision:

“This incident is in violation of the Discipline Code and is classified as ‘infraction A37′ — engaging in bullying behavior — and will result in a Principal’s Suspension for a period of two days,” he wrote.

The principal apparently followed procedure, held parent conferences and offered counseling.

The child who was suspended is nine-years-old.

Some parents are saying that what the child did was malicious while others believe it was a childish prank that could have been easily handled by the teacher. The incident stands to force us to contemplate whether we are becoming so hypersensitive to the tragic stories of school bullies that we are on high alert and possibly taking child behavior and misinterpreting it. If anything, we need to put pressure on the kids who are really bullying and tormenting other kids in school.  We also need to stay on top of it as the kids get older and enter their tween and teen years, when bullying is at an all time high.

I remember this very same sign being used when I was a kid in school. Typically, the teacher would either put the student in the corner, give them a punishment assignment or send a letter home to the parents. While it’s not proper behavior, I’m not sure I would categorize it as bullying.

While a two-day suspension is not the end of the world, is it excessive? Don’t teachers have control of their classrooms anymore and the ability to reprimand a nine-year-old student with a written report or a time-out, or both?

What do you think? Is a ‘kick me” sign an innocent prank or it is really bullying?

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15 Comments

Well, you can’t have it both ways. Everyone is crying about bullying these days…many times on Babble posts saying A, B or C is bullying. So yeah, I would say this falls in. We could split hairs and say a one day suspension might be more appropriate, but, I think, generally it’s fair if you really want to send a message that any kind of bullying won’t be tolerated. I think there are enough petty distractions in schools these days and enough problems where a zero tolerance line might be OK.

Gretchen Powers commented on Feb 18 11 at 8:56 am

I would say that this certainly *could* be bullying, although whether it actually was is impossible to say without knowing the context. (Was the target of the sign the kid’s best friend on whom he was playing a trick, or the class outcast?) I don’t think a two-day suspension is too far out of line, although I would prefer a punishment that didn’t disrupt the child’s education.

Diera commented on Feb 18 11 at 9:39 am

I agree with the above poster. I’ve heard complaints about things that are less aggressive than that (eye rolling) that are bullying, and anyone who thinks that nine year olds aren’t capable of bullying doesn’t have or know kids.

I think the punishment is excessive, it seems like a behavior that should require a trip to the office and whatever the child receives based on how many times they’ve been there instead of a special no tolerance punishment.

Sara commented on Feb 18 11 at 9:44 am

Yeah, but that’s the problem nowadays – we’ve legislated and complained and freaked ourselves into a corner about bullying (like we’ve done with LOTS of things) to the point where administrators, principals and teachers have no control over what happens. When the “law” states you have to deal with things in a specific way so you don’t get sued by parents, you have to do it. This is why kindergarteners get suspended for bringing in butter knives in their lunches or for kissing girls. It’s stupid and ridiculous and a pain in the ass, but we’ve brought it on ourselves. We no longer let the people in our schools use their common sense. Granted, some of those people – teachers, principals, and administrators – did not have any common sense themselves, and neither do some parents. And that leads to the problem; the rest of us get burned because the school system is trying to save themselves from the idiots.

Kikiriki commented on Feb 18 11 at 10:40 am

@GP: Zero tolerance is faulty though, as it serves to punish the child who had the misfortune of being the target. In our district, both the perpetrator AND the victim are suspended with it going on their permanent records- EVEN IF the victim just stood there and let themselves be pummeled.
I’ve always taught my kids it is their constitutional right to defend themselves, and their minor status does not, in any way, negate that right. And their father and I will support them and ave our own statements inserted in their records if the needs ever arises. So far, so good. Our eldest was jumped i the bathroom one day and turned around and bloodied the kid’s nose. He suffered no further bullying issues. But he was never one to look for a confrontation either. But we taught him to not back down either.
@Danielle: I agree with this part::”T he incident stands to force us to contemplate whether we are becoming so hypersensitive to the tragic stories of school bullies that we are on high alert and possibly taking child behavior and misinterpreting it. If anything, we need to put pressure on the kids who are really bullying and tormenting other kids in school.”

goddess commented on Feb 18 11 at 10:45 am

Wow Goddess, that is INSANE that the victim, too, has the suspension and “permanent record” thing! Everything I see and read these days makes me wonder if I am going to have to send my kid to a private school!

Gretchen Powers commented on Feb 18 11 at 11:17 am

No kidding! IT reads in the School Handbook AND the letter they send in that the police will be called and BOTH the perp and victim will be taken to the station for pick up by their parents as well.
By the time our 12 and nearly 10 yr old get to high school, the oldest might be on the force anyway, LOL! He’d actually make a good liaison for the high school.

goddess commented on Feb 18 11 at 11:54 am

I have never heard of punishing the victim either. So interesting how different school systems work. Thanks for weighing in.

Danielle Sullivan commented on Feb 18 11 at 1:27 pm

As Deira pointed out it’s hard to really know whether this was just kids pulling jokes on each other or bullying. If he really was doing it to pick on another kid then it should be considered bullying, especially if that kid already has to put up with frequent teasing from classmates. That type of behavior definitely needs to be addressed, but I’m not sure suspension was the best way.

Angela commented on Feb 18 11 at 3:18 pm

It sounds like bullying to me. It it happened between kids taht were already friends and are still friends today maybe it would be okay. But the reality is that the sign probably posted on the back of a kid of already low social status by another kid trying to improve their own social status. 2 days sounds fair to me.

Mamabear commented on Feb 18 11 at 4:47 pm

Zero Tolerance Policies just make it so that administrators don’t have to even attempt to use their brains. It makes them appear really ‘effin’ stupid, as though they’re not able to effectively discern between a Tylenol and a syringe full of heroin or a “kick me” sign made by a 9 year old and assault. I would be offended if my employer had so little faith in my cognitive abilities and I can’t for the life of me understand why administrators aren’t taking a stand against these ridiculous policies. Do they feel powerless? Or is it easier to not have to think?

Linda, the original one commented on Feb 18 11 at 4:54 pm

That’s a bit much. I find suspensions as punishments odd – let’s take them out of school so they can sit at home and not learn anything.

Kelly commented on Feb 18 11 at 7:02 pm

@Linda TOR- those rules are put in place so that parents can’t come back and SUE us for not doing everything to protect the students. We’re not “effin” stupid.

CBG commented on Feb 22 11 at 11:44 am

Impossible to know if it was bullying or not out of context.

I’d tend to think it was. I do think infractions like these all need to be addressed in some way and there needs to be some sort of punishment in order to keep a standard of conduct that kids can grasp.

Something similar happened at our school, and the two perpetrators *were not* suspended. Parents were called, however, and each kid had to spend an afternoon in the principal’s office and write a letter of apology to the victim, that was reviewed by the teacher, parent, and principal to see if it was “enough”. One of them had to rewrite his. Then they had to personally hand the letters to the victim, face to face, and apologize while the teacher and vice principal looked on from a distance.

I think kids have to be made to understand their mistake and figure out a way to try and fix things, and be made to face the person they bullied. I agree that suspension alone would not solve anything.

MommyAndretti commented on Feb 22 11 at 5:03 pm

No what they ought to do is the kids who get caught bullying should spend their suspension days in Juvenile Hall sitting in on their school classes so they can see what their lives could be like if they continue. Yea it sounds awful, but hey, if you scare a kid bad enough then they won’t do it again. And the part about the punishing the victim is true, That’s how it was in every school I went to, no it’s not fair, but it’s only in times where there are fights, verbal, physical, etc. I know if I or my child is or was going to be suspended for something it surely will be worth the punishment, not going to stand by and be pummeled by someone to receive the same sentence as my perpetrator.

Stacy P. commented on Jun 28 11 at 8:05 am

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