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In Defense of Erica Jong: Parenting Theories Are for “Pedigreed Progressives”

Posted by carolyncastiglia on November 10th, 2010 at 11:35 pm
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The cult of momonality.

Much of the criticism of Erica Jong’s Wall Street Journal essay Mother Madness has centered around the idea that attachment parenting is not to blame for the fact that American culture isn’t more progressive.  Fair enough.  I agree with you there, Madeline.  But that doesn’t mean her entire essay was “pointless,” as Babble blogger Katie Allison Granju described it in a response on Motherlode.  I think Jong’s skewering of the “orgy of motherphilia” we’ve all witnessed of late is appropriate and veracious. 

That’s probably because, before I started writing at Strollerderby, I had never heard the words “attachment” and ”parenting” buttressed up next to each other.  Never.  Add that to the list of other phrases regular folks don’t use: helicopter parents, free-range kids, co-sleeping, baby-wearing.  I’d never heard of any of it.

In 2005, when my daughter was born, I didn’t even know it was possible to feel bad about not wearing your baby in a tie-dyed sling.  But by 2006, I did feel a bit left out when I walked into the East Village bar where I produced a comedy show and saw I was the only person who’d left their baby at home, thinking to myself, “Maybe I need one of those slings.  They are awfully cute.”

So here we are in 2010, bickering and hen-pecking about baby-wearing.  Jong wrote, “You wear your baby, sleep with her and attune yourself totally to her needs.  How you do this and also earn the money to keep her is rarely discussed.  You are just assumed to be rich enough.”  She makes no bones about her distaste for all of this when she says, “attachment parenting comes with an exquisite progressive pedigree.”

Frankly, I couldn’t agree more.

I’m not a feminist scholar, I’m not a parenting expert and I haven’t read Fear of Flying.  I’m a divorced woman, a single mother.  I come from blue collar stock.  I was raised in a small town in upstate New York and I moved to New York City a decade ago with a dollar and a dream.  Since then, I’ve learned a lot about people, how we interact and where we intersect.  I’ve learned that the urban elite (and those who are covered in sweat trying to get there) often have a myopic perspective.  I’ve learned that certain enclaves of folks living in parts of Brooklyn and Manhattan think it’s fancy to do things that farmers and agrarian peoples do.  And that’s, I think, what irks me most about the preciousness of the “pedigreed progressives” Jong is talking about.  Do you all have to prove how easy your lives are by making them so damn hard?

My parents kept a garden when I was growing up.  They picked vegetables out of the earth and we ate them.  They pickled cucumbers and peppers, they canned tomatoes.  They didn’t do it to be “green,” they did it because it was natural.  It wasn’t fashionable - it was food.  Not only that, but gardening was something to take pleasure and pride in.  Growing tomatoes wasn’t something my Dad did because it was trendy, or because he felt he had to prove himself.  Gardening wasn’t just another thing on an endless list of things he had to do to conform to a lifestyle.  (Like knitting, eating rare cheeses and listening to indie bands.)  Farming – and being a farmer – was tradition in my Dad’s family.  He was a carpenter by trade (Oooh - a laborer!  How endlessly charming!) but he kept a garden because soil was a part of his essence.

My Dad died in 2008, but if he were alive today to read about the debate over the political implications of attachment parenting, he’d say, “What a bunch of baloney.”  And for good reason.  I’m not saying we shouldn’t consider the effects of our actions, that we shouldn’t be contemplative about our place in the world and the ways in which how we live affect the whole – or that women don’t have a right to take being a mother seriously.  But I am saying that it doesn’t really matter if you wear your baby in a sling or not.  It just doesn’t.

If you wear your baby in a sling, great.  If you let your kid cry it out at night, good.  If you have tried everything and don’t really understand parenting theories, if you feel lost but are still doing your best to get through the first few years of being a parent, super.  Good for you.  Because the truth of the matter is, no one knows what they’re doing as a parent.  No one.  We can trust our gut, we can follow the advice of medical experts and parenting pundits, but none of us can be sure if all the effort we’re putting in will pan out in the end.  Well-meaning, attentive parents end up with bratty kids.  Absentee mothers and drunken fathers produce star students and extraordinarily kind adults.  It happens every day.  Ultimately, we don’t have as much control over what happens to our kids and who they become as we wish, but we love our children and we care for them and we do what we think is best because that is the natural order of things.

Sure, my ex and I put our daughter in bed with us if she had trouble sleeping as an infant and yes, I owned a Baby Bjorn, but I honestly hardly used it.  I pushed my daughter in a stroller when we did errands and I held her in my arms quite frequently throughout the day.  I didn’t hold my daughter to create a particular bond between my daughter and I, nor did I push her in a stroller to be cold and unloving or to teach her independence.  I did those things because they came naturally to me.  And I did what came naturally to me because I didn’t know anything about parenting theories.  And I didn’t feel guilty about the things I did or didn’t do because I didn’t know I had to.

So that’s why I’m writing in defense of Erica Jong.  Jong says, “Our obsession with parenting is an avoidance strategy.  It allows us to substitute our own small world for the world as a whole.”  She goes on to talk about the ways in which obsessive parenting results in a lack of left-wing activism.  I don’t know about that.  (I agree with Katie there.)  I think a lot of obsessive parents are obsessive environmentalists and are very engaged in the liberal agenda.  But I do agree with Jong that a hyper-focus on our children is unhealthy.  And indeed that a hyper-focus on our children is one thing, but a hyper-focus on the accoutrements and trappings of parenting is another.  Are the organic clothes and the locally-designed/manufactured diaper bag and the high-end stroller and the wooden toys and the developmental classes really about the kids?  To some extent, sure.  But to some extent they are about us – about proving how good we are, how hard we are trying, how much we want to get this right, dammit!  They are about exerting control.  They are about being the type of person who makes informed choices.  To some extent, they are about being better.

And that last part I understand fully.  So fully it brings me to tears.  I love my daughter ferociously.  I would be nothing without her.  She makes me want to be better every single day: to get my finances together, to make my bed, to be organized, to eat breakfast.  She inspires me to achieve, to dream, to succeed.  I want to provide a safe and secure home for her.  I want her to know that she can tell me anything, that she is a part of me and that I will never abandon her, even if she’s in trouble.  I want her to come to me with her troubles before they become troubles.  I want her to never feel afraid.  And because I want all of those things, I spend a large part of my day hugging and kissing my daughter and saying, “I love you.”  I’m not perfect.  And I don’t try to be.  And that is really the heart of what I think Erica Jong is telling us.  Jong is asking women to stop being imprisoned by the notion of perfection.  I’m not saying that co-sleeping and baby-wearing and living green and anything else on the progressive parent’s agenda is wrong or bad – or to blame for Sarah Palin’s popularity.  In and of themselves, I think the ideals of attachment parenting are wonderful.  But for those of you who are surrounded by the paraphernalia of perfect parenting - is it working for you?  Or are you making yourself sick loving your children and hating your life?

Yes, this all reminds me of this summer when Jennifer Senior’s essay was at the center of a Mommy Maelstrom.  But what about the pointless pursuit of perfect parenting?  Jong is trying to remind us that we are making mountains out of molehills and patting ourselves on the back for doing so.  When my daughter was born, I wanted to be a perfect parent.  I did.  I bought a fancy diaper bag and a fancy enough stroller and I went to a Mommy lunch and I wanted to enroll in Mommy and Me yoga and make the baby food and do all of it.  After a few months, I realized I couldn’t afford that lifestyle.  And the women I was trying to engage with who could afford it knew I couldn’t.  They could smell my inferiority (which I think stinks of Tyson chicken nuggets and store-brand string cheese).  They said things to me like, “You live in Harlem, really?  Do you feel safe there?” 

And so I mommied alone, and I took my daughter to the park in her stroller and I let her watch Baby Einstein videos while I blogged about how much I loved her.  And when she got bigger, I worked a day job and I did shows at night and I mothered my daughter, and I fed her McDonald’s a few times and I put her in bed with me and I made her cry in her crib.  I never felt righteous or guilty about any of the ways in which I mothered my daughter.  The only thing I felt – and still feel righteous about – is my enormous love for her.

I yell at my daughter when she poops her pants.  I ignore her sometimes when I’m working.  She whines a lot.  She’s a bit of a cry-baby drama queen.  She annoys me.  She thrills me.  I don’t pretend I’m doing this right.  I don’t pretend she’s perfect.  I agree with Erica Jong that “there are no rules.”

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35 Comments

AMEN A MILLION TIMES, AMEN!

Heather Lea commented on Nov 11 10 at 12:04 am

Love this!

paulabernstein commented on Nov 11 10 at 12:06 am

Thanks, Paula. You know I got nothin’ but love for you, girl!

carolyncastiglia commented on Nov 11 10 at 12:13 am

Thank you for writing this and providing a voice for those of us who will never “label” who we are or who we aren’t, but are simply doing our best and hoping it all turns out ok.

AM commented on Nov 11 10 at 12:31 am

My biggest beef with Erica Jong’s essay was that I thought she way overstated the number of people who take AP to that extreme, as if were some kind of epidemic. I think it is interesting that you say you didn’t think about these things much before you started writing for Babble, because I think a lot of this is fabricated by the media. Most people are just trying to do what is best for their families. (And really, only a very small percentage of people are actually in a position to even think about AP.)

Laure68 commented on Nov 11 10 at 12:31 am

@@. Of course you couldn’t agree more. You’ve never done anything EXCEPT criticise attackment parenting (which, BTW, you don’t actually appear to know jack ahit about, but hey, don’t let your lack of knowledge about any topic stop you. It never does.)

Linda, the original one commented on Nov 11 10 at 12:52 am

LOL that I called it “attackment.” I couldn’t decide between “criticise” or “attack” attachment parenting. I’ll never understand why you go whole hog on the things you haev ZERO experience with. It’s just strange.

Linda, the original one commented on Nov 11 10 at 12:54 am

I neither support Jong’s article nor the fetishized attachment parenting zealots. I just parent my kids and do the best I can.

Mistress_Scorpio commented on Nov 11 10 at 8:12 am

I’m having trouble reconciling that you seem to be saying “there are no rules and any way you parent in fine” while berating people who appear to be parenting in ways you don’t like. No rules means obsessive parenting is on the table too.

I think most people would agree that taking things to extremes is unhealthy, but you sound personally defensive to me. I’m not crazy about people getting swept up in trends either, but why would you get mad about people trying their hand at gardening? There was a school of thought not too long ago that showing any affection to your child at all was harmful. Thanks to competing schools of thought getting the word out that there are other possibilities people now know better.

I agree with you that it’s fine for each parent to find his or her own way, but I don’t think it’s necessary to belittle people who are trying things with passion as Erica Jong seems to. The tone of her piece to me was “I think what you like is silly and you should stop” which is the same message she was defending herself against. Both of you sound like successful parents who did things in a way that doesn’t get attention in the press. The element of Erica Jong’s piece I found offensive was the pervading sense that no one could possibly like living in these ways she couldn’t relate to. Telling people they are enslaved because they chose attachment parenting is just as cruel as telling parents who don’t choose it that they are neglectful. There are better ways of letting people know there are options.

Korinthia Klein commented on Nov 11 10 at 8:28 am

Oh dear lord, Carolyn, stop making excuses. If you don’t want to parent like A, B or C, then don’t. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we all do the best we can. Like anything else in life, some people’s “bests” are better than others, right? But don’t act like because you’re blue collar certain things won’t work. I come from blue-collar roots too and went to, gasp, community college to start, scrabbled my way through as a waitress for 10 years on my own, blah blah blah…and you know what? It just MADE SENSE to breastfeed on demand, carry/wear the kid instead of lugging her around in one of those ghastly baby buckets and it was easier to have her sleep with me so I could shut her up with nursing when she cried in the middle of the night. Because that’s what babies want…to be cuddled and feel safe by their mamas (the breastmilk is more than just nutrition). Anyway, I just kind of inherently knew this stuff, I didn’t know what AP was til AFTER I had the kid and came across these boards and stuff online. To be fair, I DID know about natural birth and did that because I accidentally came across a Naomi Wolf book before I got pregnant, but, god…I think if I was going to come up with a term for good parenting it might be ANIMAL PARENTING or something (I’d have to research more what different animals do) or maybe indigenous parenting, because alot of the AP tenets come from how early man would have naturally parented…but to make it sound like it is some high-minded thing for educated people only is B.S.

Gretchen Powers commented on Nov 11 10 at 8:58 am

“And here, I end my reading of Babble”
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She didn’t even last two hours!

bob commented on Nov 11 10 at 9:15 am

Here, here! I couldn’t agree more. When I read about all of the parenting theories out there, I can’t help but think of the movie “Away We Go” and all the disparate parenting styles depicted (especially Maggie Gyllenhaal’s wacky mom character). Assigning labels to how one parents, or following someone’s step-by-step instructions on how to parent, just seems silly.

Amy commented on Nov 11 10 at 9:15 am

Comments @bob – hilarious!

jcm commented on Nov 11 10 at 9:32 am

@Gretchen – I couldn’t have said it better myself.

Judy commented on Nov 11 10 at 9:52 am

Very well written article. I agree that it’s all silly, Bob, and I resonate with the author’s statement that she just went with her gut feelings. I’ve never been one to be in lock-step with any philosophy, parenting or otherwise: I like to use my own brains and discern for myself which ideals fit my morals and lifestyle. Carolyn, the author, sounds like just the sort of mother I’d be best friends with!

Amy commented on Nov 11 10 at 9:55 am

Gretchen, you clearly don’t live in NY.

michelle commented on Nov 11 10 at 10:50 am

Thanks, Bob, for saving me the 20 seconds I was about to spend comparing the timestamp on those two comments! :)

IrishCream commented on Nov 11 10 at 10:57 am

I can sympathize with not belonging to the parenting culture elite. I mean, here on Babble, you see articles extolling the wonders of $1000 cribs. I belonged to a twins group, but have not renewed because so many of the other moms have nannies. I can’t relate to people whose lives include nannies, housekeepers and jet-setting around the world with their semi-famous spouses. I can’t afford all my children’s clothing to be organic cotton, made by fair trade groups. I can afford to buy those clothing used on Ebay. So yes, a lot of the new parenting styles are geared to those who can afford them, and the ones who can’t are considered by some, to be doing an inferior job of parenting. Social inferiors, we are not a classless society.

Marj commented on Nov 11 10 at 11:09 am

You must not know the families that I know. Most of the stay at home moms I’ve met here in the South are poor or lower middle class. They have had jobs rather than careers and aren’t worried about breaking glass ceilings and just want to get food on the table- but now stay home with their children because daycare is unaffordable. They breastfeed because it’s cheaper, and wear a baby carrier just to manage to get things done around the house. A lot of them home school for religious reasons as well. None of them are the privaleged women Jong describes.

Most of us are the product of divorced working moms and were raised in daycares and we are making a conscious choice to never heap that misery on our own children. I’ve read the response by Jong’s daughter Molly and I would not consider Erica to have been a good mother, by any means. “The best she could” wasn’t good enough and she has no place trying to give anyone advice on parenting…

Jan commented on Nov 11 10 at 11:28 am

I can’t shake the sense that we’re still fighting over how we parent and whose parenting “style” is better because we’re all so isolated by the realities of parenthood, which has nothing to do with the how of parenting at all. Parenting is phenomenally hard work no matter how you slice it and enormous sacrifices will be made no matter what you do. The only difference between the working mom with a bottlefed baby in childcare and an AP mom who has given up nearly all of her personal space and freedom is in the manner that they made the sacrifies they chose. But both have made equally large sacrifices. It’s as if we all, collectively, can’t resist the need to examine those who do it differently becuase somewhere in there there must be someone who’s cut a corner, who has discovered a lesser sacrifice. Who has somehow maintained some greater portion of their own autonomy. Well, we all need to give it up because there is no magic here. There are just different choices, not better ones. And they all hurt just as much, and we all feel the same love and connection with our children.

That said, what upsets me about Erica Jong’s essay is that she’s looking back and making accusations. The whole “I did it better” thing is just as annoying coming from her as from anyone else. The communal parenting that she purports is not possible in a transient society. I live 200 miles from my nearest blood relative and even if I was near my mom, she couldn’t help becuase she works full time. She’s not home to hand any kids off to. My mother-in-law? Same thing. They’re professional women with full time jobs, not caregivers waiting to play communal kitchen with me. Among the mommy set, we build “families” among our friends who our kids understand can step in for us if needed, but unfortunately it takes years to build this kind of network in a community. In babyhood? I was on my own because that sort of thing isn’t ready made to step into. It was scary. And hard. And thank God for parenting books because outside of those, there wasn’t anyone to help. That’s the reality. Condemn it if you will, but that’s our situation. That’s how we live.

CK commented on Nov 11 10 at 11:34 am

I agree with you Korinthia. We are lower middle class, but I take pride in keeping myself educated. When I had our son, my husband and I had ideas of how we would raise him based on how we were raised. Once he got here though, none of it seemed right. We stumbled into attachment parenting and then I started finding information on how to make it work for us. I don’t do it bc it is the “cool” thing to do, I do it bc it works for us and feels right. I love the way our life flows.
In the spring we plan on starting a garded and raising goats and chickens. Again, not bc it is the “in thing” to try sustainabla living, but bc it will be a more economical way of putting food on our table.
We may not have much money, but we are happy in our lives.

Amanda commented on Nov 11 10 at 11:42 am

Well said, thank you.

MsC commented on Nov 11 10 at 12:02 pm

I’m totally using “attackment parenting” to describe some people I know. For the record, I don’t think that carolyn is attacking attachment parenting, here, at least not the way that attackment parents typically dig at others. She’s not saying that wearing your baby in a sling or co-sleeping or using cloth diapers will harm your kid or that if parents who do those things love their kids any less or don’t try as hard and she’s not calling anyone else’s ideas or tools for parenting “ghastly”. It’s not an attack to say that she doesn’t think it matters that much, and I absolutely agree that a lot of the “trappings” like a Moby vs. an Ergo vs. a Baby Bjorn vs. a Snugli (my kids rode in Snuglis I bought at Wal-Mart, people) and all the above vs. the eleventy kajillion types of strollers (baby barges) and carriers (ghastly baby buckets) available ARE about the parents and their images of themselves…I know someone that tried so hard to be a “marsupial mom” because that was the image she had of herself, never mind that it wasn’t what her baby seemed to care for at all, and that’s who I thought of when I read that part of the article.

jenny tries too hard commented on Nov 11 10 at 12:06 pm

We need “ATTACKMENT PARENTING” added to the modern lexicon immediately! Covers so many bases, don’t you think? Carolyn, you are a great mom!

Lily Burana commented on Nov 11 10 at 1:47 pm

You are awesome :-)

Donna commented on Nov 11 10 at 2:11 pm

Carolyn, this is a lovely summary of the issue. Almost every parent can agree that some of the methods prescribed by attachment parenting are effective and work for their family. But, many of us (esp. those you live in “progressive” cities or rub shoulders with the upper middle, uppper upper class) have met women who call themselves “attachment parents” who seem to make that proclamation to show how wealthy and successful they are. I don’t think that represents the average “attachment parent” at all, but it is a significant and slightly fanatical subset of the movement.

Penn Girl commented on Nov 11 10 at 5:28 pm

Thank you so much! I am so tired of many of the mothers I know getting all Attachment Parenting Nazi on me, making snide remarks about how unfortunate it is that I don’t love my daughter because I do such abusive things as let her (happily) lay in her little bouncy chair, sleep in her own bed (usually without any crying, fyi), and *GASP* drink from a bottle.
I respect the choices you make, respect mine and get over yourselves.

JennaBoettger commented on Nov 11 10 at 7:59 pm

I don’t understand why attachment parenting is being lumped in with having fancy strollers, etc. It seems like those are two different things altogether. Some parents might co-sleep, breastfeed, etc. and some others might feel the need to buy all the most expensive baby stuff. Who says they are the same people? We can barely pay our bills, and we don’t have a lot of fancy stuff. I don’t label my parenting, but we did co-sleep, I breastfed, and we always respond to our kids’ when they need us. Why would you have to be rich to do any of that? It’s such a weird and illogical connection to make. It would have been very expensive to buy a year’s worth of formula for twins. I’m not saying that’s the only reason I nursed, but it was a consideration. This sort of close style of parenting isn’t new at all, and I have mostly seen my relatives in India parenting this way. They don’t call it anything. They don’t have a lot of stuff – no cribs, no strollers, not even car seats. It seems like both you and Jong are lumping a whole lot of parenting styles or affectations together and not really distinguishing one from another. It honestly seems to me like her real issue is with mothers staying home and not making a paycheck. I’m not sure what your issue is, but you are saying that you don’t want your parenting to be judged while judging the parenting choices of others. So there really is only one way to parent that should not be censured – the way you do it.

The idea that parenting, or very attached/close/involved parenting is like a prison is silly. No one is forcing anyone to do anything they don’t want to. Jong could just as easily say that falling in love and having a romantic relationship is a prison, taking care of one’s elderly parents is a prison, etc. We take on responsibilities to care for people we love, and it feels good. When you really want to be right where you are, doing exactly what you’re doing, you are living the life you want to live – not being enslaved.

Manjari commented on Nov 11 10 at 9:09 pm

Sorry for all the weird punctuation issues.

Manjari commented on Nov 11 10 at 9:10 pm

JennaBoettger, I don’t think you can expect respect while calling other people “Nazis.” Using that term makes you sound like an ignorant asshole, and just so you know, us Jews find it really, really offensive when you complete dumbasses seem to think it’s okay to downplay the holocaust just so you can attempt to make some self righteous point on a parenting blog. Seriously. FU!

Linda, the original one commented on Nov 12 10 at 3:39 am

CC, I just can’t seem to get past your obvious jealousy of other people’s supposed “luxuries” (and apparently, also their name brand string cheese) when you have a huge luxury that most of us don’t have: being able to live at home, rent-free with Mommy. And let’s not even get started on how you managed to afford thousands of dollars worth of baby formula for your daughter. G-d knows I didn’t have a few grand to spend on that during the first year of each child’s life. And have you even had to parent while holding a day job? It doesn’t seem like it from what you’ve posted. Luxuries, luxuries, luxuries.

Linda, the original one commented on Nov 12 10 at 3:45 am

So many great points, thank you! I see so many examples every day (myself included) of women who are paralyzed by perfection-seeking, thinking if they DO sign their kids up for one activity or another, if they DON’T ever yell, everything is going to be great. I completely agree that there is no formula, no one answer. But I think that idea is so scary for people to contemplate. Just like we want the doctor to give us a prescription for a cold that only time will heal, we want someone, anyone, to come up with a prescription for parenting. It is so hard to imagine that there is no right way, that we have to figure our own way, in parenting and elsewhere. Jong has been sadly skewered for her bravery in writing about topics people would rather pretend weren’t true. I applaud her and give her many kudos for taking on the world with her viewpoint even at great personal cost!

Stephanie Thompson commented on Nov 12 10 at 12:53 pm

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I appreciate your take on Jong’s essay, although it is quite different from my own.

IMHO Jong’s piece is really a scolding of the new generation of women (many of whom hadn’t even heard of her before this article hit the blogosphere) who know little about feminism and have no appreciation for what artists, activists and intellectuals like Jong have done for them. The “orgy of motherphilia” likely looks like a rejection of the things she worked so hard to achieve : reproductive freedom, equality in the workplace etc. Unfortunately, Jong knows almost nothing about attachment parenting, especially that it makes parenting EASIER for most parents, instead she focused on misinformation, extremism and affectations, not the science behind it. It’s unfortunate that she did not research her material before she tried to make her case.

My only real issue with your response is that I don’t know what “there are no rules” means. Does anything go? Neurological research has found that “crying it out” causes brain damage in babies. Is that really Ok? Children who are hit (spanked)become violent themselves.
Is that ok? Bullying and violence and detachment are enormous problems in our society. Do parenting choices not have anything to do with that?

liberalmama commented on Nov 13 10 at 2:17 am

The relevant research really has nothing to say about CIO. That’s just mama-board lore.

Kelly commented on Nov 14 10 at 11:09 pm

@Kelly Ok, many experts in the field believe that the cortisol released during prolonged crying is toxic to babies http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/8636950.stm It’s not “mama-board lore.” Sure, there are those who disagree — like Ezzo of Babywise and others who like to rationalize this type of disconnected, anti-child parenting. I have never, ever heard a mother say that her instincts told her to ignore her baby’s cry. Only that somebody with a book or a “system” to sell convinced her to ignore her instincts. And the child pays the price (as well as the rest of society).
There are some things that are simply a matter of parenting style of preference that probably don’t matter all that much. I don’t believe this is one of them, nor is spanking. Some of the parenting choices we make do have consequences. (Anectdotally I’ve seen serious behavioral issues in CIO kids vs. non CIO kids, but that is just my own observation.)

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