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No More Lap Children on Airplanes?

Posted by carolyncastiglia on September 7th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

IMG 2407 300x225 No More Lap Children on Airplanes?With all the added expenses babies bring, it’s nice to know that you can fly them across the country to see grandma and grandpa without having to pay $350 for them to have their own seat.  If they were to have their own seat, you’d have to travel with the car seat, which is another thing to carry and means you might have to pay to check in an extra bag that you can no longer fit on board.  It sounds complicated, right?  But the National Transportation Safety Board argues it’s much safer.  They’ve recommended to the Federal Aviation Administration yet again that every passenger – even babies – must have their own seat on an airplane.  This time, they’re referencing a specific crash to prove their point.

A 10-seater plane crashed as it was landing in Butte, Montana in March 2009, killing all 14 people aboard, including seven children, according to NPR.  “Investigators say that several of the children were found far from the plane, suggesting that they weren’t properly restrained.”  Despite the facts in this case, FAA spokeswoman Alison Duquette said, “The agency will take a fresh look at the NTSB’s recent recommendation, but the agency has no immediate plans to change its rules.”

Now, you may be arguing that in the event of a plane crash, the likelihood of anyone surviving is slim, so why bother to harness a kid?  The NTSB’s recommendation acknowledges that the Butte crash “was so severe that it’s unlikely anybody would have survived even with proper restraints,” but the “accident renews the NTSB’s longstanding concerns about the restraints.”  The FAA agrees that it’s safer for children of all ages to have their own seat, but won’t require parents to buy a ticket for children under the age of 2 “because the agency believes many families with small children wouldn’t pay the cost of an extra ticket.”

Of course, the no ticket policy for children under 2 only applies to domestic flights, which I didn’t know the first time I took my daughter abroad to see her father’s family.  We showed up at JFK without a ticket for the baby, who was 6 months old at the time, and KLM charged us $450 for her to be able to board - which still didn’t entitle her to her own seat.  We were, however, seated in the bulkhead row which not only had plenty of room, but also featured a removable cradle hanging from the wall so we didn’t have to hold her while we slept.  That bassinette made her ticket price worth every penny, but I don’t know that it’s offered on other airlines. 

The ability to survive a crash isn’t the only pertinent safety issue when travelling with small children.  On a subsequent international flight, taken just before my daughter was 2, she became restless on the lengthy return.  She started walking across our laps and suddenly fell and bumped her head against the bulkhead row wall.  Flight attendants swarmed our seat to see if she was okay – and she was – but it’s exhausting for parents who don’t have a seat for their children to have to constantly wrangle them on a 10 hour flight.  (I wonder if the recent slapping incident on Southwest could have been avoided if the child had her own seat.)  Plus, lap children have been crushed by their parents and thrown about the cabin in survivable emergency landings.  Take a look at these facts on Airline Travel and Child Safety before the next time you fly.

The FAA has considered requiring seats for all passengers, “but decided against it, citing statistics from 2004 that showed nearly 43,000 people died on U.S. highways, compared to 13 fatalities on commercial flights.”  Sure, commercial flights are safer than those taken in small, private planes like the one in the Butte incident, so maybe the regulations should be based on the size of the carrier.  The FAA suggests that forcing people to pay for seats for children under 2 would cause families to drive instead, which “could result in 13 to 42 additional highway fatalities over 10 years.”  But the NTSB doesn’t buy it.

They looked at travel in the years surrounding 9/11, “when domestic plane travel decreased 8.3 percent and highway travel increased 4 percent as a result of the attacks.”  The NTSB found that while there was a slight increase overall in motorist deaths, the number of children under the age of 5 killed in car accidents decreased.  They think the FAA is using car travel statistics as a diversion, and the only reason the FAA won’t require children be in their own seat is because they don’t want to lose business.  What do you think?  Should parents be forced to purchase airline seats for their infants?  Or be allowed to travel at their own risk?

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7 Tips For Flying With Babies | Parenting Tips commented on Dec 22 10 at 4:37 pm

The no ticket isn’t just for domestic flights. We flew to Europe twice with a lap kid. Glad my kid is now 3 so I don’t have to be annoyed by the possibility of this new rule. It’s about the money. That’s cool, I get it.

Gretchen Powers commented on Sep 07 10 at 1:19 pm

That said, the airlines are entitled to make their own rules and its not out of the question to require the babies to have a seat. Just glad our time for this has passed because my particular baby would have not sat in the carseat for long anyway….

Gretchen Powers commented on Sep 07 10 at 1:21 pm

GP: you can fly internationally without a seat for infants, but they have to have a ticket. And it’s not free.

carolyncastiglia commented on Sep 07 10 at 1:30 pm

ah…I see what you mean…yeah, we did pay like $300 or something for her, you’re right. It was way less than ours, though…but you’re right.

Gretchen Powers commented on Sep 07 10 at 1:40 pm

I’ve often wondered WHY they didn’t require a separate seat and restraints on par with care seats/toddler booster eats. Great idea!

goddess commented on Sep 07 10 at 1:41 pm

We can barely afford to fly the 2 of us anywhere at this point. Having to pay for the baby would be a deal breaker for us, and many of our friends as well who schedule trips to see far away relatives so that their barely under 2 child can fly free. I wonder if it just our set of lower middle class peers that wouldn’t think twice about not flying if they had to pay for a baby.

K. commented on Sep 07 10 at 2:00 pm

Can you imagine the noise if infants were required to be bucked in when the seatbelt sign was on? I always nursed so her ears wouldn’t hurt. Evacuation is also a big issue. Unbuckling a carseat would delay evacuation.

Everyone died in that crash and that’s really the point. Everyone dies if the plane crashes. If everyone doesn’t die then evacuation is the most important part, something that a carseat would hinder.

Sara commented on Sep 07 10 at 2:16 pm

If individual airlines want to charge for everyone to have a seat for comfort and profit reason, that’s their prerogative. But the safety benefit is pretty dubious if the best case they can find is one where everyone died and their logic rests on the fact that the childrens’ corpses were farther from the wreckage? It wasn’t even a regular passenger jet. That’s really the best they can do? They can’t point to a runway fender-bender or a bumpy turbulence encounter, or anything, going back more than a decade?
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Maybe the problem is that the presence of un-belted babies gives lie to the safety theater the rest of us are expected to participate in.

bob commented on Sep 07 10 at 2:33 pm

I always enjoy Bob’s comments, but this is the best of all: “Maybe the problem is that the presence of un-belted babies gives lie to the safety theater the rest of us are expected to participate in.”
What, you mean this lap belt won’t protect me if we fall from the sky in a fireball?

Amy commented on Sep 07 10 at 2:39 pm

They will loose our business, and we will loose too, because we do not have the option of making the trip by car since my family is in Puerto Rico. That is the only time we fly and sometimes we go twice a year.
If airlines ever forced parents to purchase a seat for their babies, it should be at a discounted price since I am sure most kids will spend most of the time on their parents laps (other than at take off or landing) On the other hand, I am glad they do not have that rule yet :)

Rosana commented on Sep 07 10 at 2:47 pm

Bob: I am inclined to think the same way, but there have been crashes recently that defy logic, like the one where only the young Dutch boy survived, and more recently where only one passenger out of 130 or something died – the plane ripped apart and everyone lived, but surely a lap child would have died in that situation. I agree the costs are prohibitive, and plane travel is really safe overall, but I’ve heard stories from flight attendants of hitting the ceiling when they dropped in an air pocket and stuff like that. There are arguments to support it for sure.

carolyncastiglia commented on Sep 07 10 at 3:12 pm

If the FAA really wanted to use a news story to make their point, they should have used this one: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4182202&page=1. The baby girl was the sole survivor BECAUSE she was strapped to her carseat. I agree it’s more expensive to purchase an extra ticket, but sometimes these things do have a purpose (and they can also help in cases of bad turbulence, when parents might not be physically able to hold on to their baby). In lieu of that, you can always buy a KIDCares harness, which straps to the adult’s harness. I actually prefer it to the strap they give to parents for lap infants on international flights (I’ve had two of those things slip right off of my baby). The KIDCares harness is secure, although it’s not made of seatbelt material (which it should be!).

Kikiriki commented on Sep 07 10 at 3:15 pm

I’m a big fan of the KidCares harness, and I highly recommend it. We’ve been using it for our daughter for the last couple of years. It seems very secure, and it’s much better than putting her in her big car seat — which would make her feet hit the seat in front of her. (Kikiriki — our KidCares harness does seem to be made of seatbelt material. I wonder if I have a different kind that yours?)

Pika commented on Sep 07 10 at 5:11 pm

Whoops! I was thinking about the Baby Bair harness. Yes, the KidCares harness is definitely made out of seatbelt material which is why I love it! The Baby Bair is made out of stuff that I’m not sure would hold a child in a true airline crash, but it is designed to help parents during turbulence and if the parent falls asleep while the baby is in their lap. Although at that last part, I just have to laugh. I flew with my infant son on my lap to England and I didn’t sleep a wink. It’s hard to sleep when you’re acting as someone else’s pillow (and he screamed every time I put him in the baby hammock bed provided by the airline).

Kikiriki commented on Sep 07 10 at 6:36 pm

Bought a seat for our 1 year old. Spent all of 2 minutes in the seat. Screamed for those 2 minutes. Spent rest of time on our laps or nursing. Fine, strap them in. Be prepared for a lot more screaming.

You might say, it’s worth everyone’s ears for the safety of the child. I say we make informed decisions about risk every day. If they were really concerned about air safety, they would eliminate the checked-baggage fee, since falling 30lb bags pose a much more significant risk to everyone on board.

Alex H. commented on Sep 07 10 at 11:35 pm

We took a family trip across country last year with our 11 month old. I bought a seat for her because I did NOT want to spend 5 hours with her on my lap. She was much more accommodating of the car seat than I thought she would be. Yes, she did spend a good amount of time in our laps, but she also happily sat in her car seat and took a nap, or played with some toys. Kids are more flexible than you think, and I am so glad that we spent the extra money to have a seat for her. That being said, I do understand that sometimes you just don’t have the extra money and that’s ok.

Amanda commented on Sep 08 10 at 9:03 am

Comments: Several comments have mentioned the CARES child aviation restraint. CARES is FAA certified, and the only child restraint the FAA permits children to use for all phases of flight – taxiing, take off,turbulence,and landing. It weighs 1 pound, fits on any size airplane seat,can be installed in 1 minute,and keeps the child as safe as a 20 lb car seat does. And – the child’s feet cannot reach to kick the seat in front of him. CARES is manufactured by AmSafe Aviation,the company that makes nearly all the seat belts and pilot restraints in airplanes in the US. It meets the standard of keeping the child as safe in his airplane seat as a car seat would do nd it is far more convenient to use. In fact,the airlines should be required to hand CARES out to young passengers the same way they are required to hand out extender belts to very large people!Check out http://www.kidsflysafe.com .

Louise Stoll commented on Sep 08 10 at 5:12 pm

Someday I think we’ll all look back in wonder at the days when infants were allowed to sit on parents’ laps for takeoff and landing, just as we marvel now at how we grew up unsecured in cars. don’t confuse the issue of cost with safety — airlines could still let children under 2 fly free or very cheap, but say they have to be in a car seat. I flew ONCE with a baby on my lap and I would never do it again — it’s uncomfortable for all of us, and very scary during takeoff and landing, when clearly I would not be able to hold on to her in case of an accident. There are plenty of examples of planes sliding off runways – those are survivable, but much riskier for a baby flying through the cabin when a parent can’t possibly hang on!

Roseann commented on Sep 09 10 at 10:09 am

You don’t pay for a ticket for a child under 2 for international flights, if you don’t want to, but you do pay a lot of tax.

I think that children of all ages should have their own seats. I hated the fact that when I travelled with my then 5 month old on probably the longest long haul you can do that in an emergency she was far less likely to survive a “survivable crash”. We didn’t have the cash to pay for another ticket or I would have. If it was mandatory we would have found the money.

Some airlines offer bassinets but they’re given to the youngest babies on board so it depends on who happens to be on your flight when you check in.

Even if a child spends most of the time on mum or dad’s lap anyway, at least for the most dangerous parts of the trip the child is secure for take-off, landing and turbulence.

Having said all that, it is actually a very small risk of death while flying so maybe the ultimate decision for the risk should rest on the parents?… All I know is that I was extremely anxious about having my baby in my arms. (Qantas lets you put a lap belt on your lap child, American airlines (all of them) don’t. They don’t provide one and the websites say it’s policy).

I think someone linked to it previously, but this child’s harness looks perfect for a toddler. http://www.amazon.com/CARES-Child-Aviation-Restraint-System/dp/B0012E4FV8

Steph commented on Sep 12 10 at 3:18 am

We have always bought a seat and brought a car seat on board for our now 3 year old, even when he was an infant. We fly cross country several times a year, both as a family and just my son and I. I never understood how adults were required to be strapped in, but our most precious passengers were left unsecured. Carrying the car seat and paying for his seat seemed a small price to pay to provide my son the same level of protection that I was getting. While a car seat won’t protect him in a fiery crash, a car seat may well save his life in a water landing on the Hudson or a slide off a snowy runway.
I found that he is happy and comfortable in his car seat. He knows it is his place and he knows the rules of the car seat. It also boosts him high enough to see out the window. I use a thing made by GoGoKidz that turns his car seat into a stroller and he rides it through the airport.

Mischell commented on Oct 08 10 at 10:22 pm

This is just a way of discouraging families from travelling with babies. Small babies have been flying “in arms” forever, and I have NEVER heard of a baby being yanked from its mothers arms by turbulence. The fact that babies were thrown from a plane wreck where EVERY SINGLE passenger died doesn’t really illustrate the safety of flying “in arms” in flights that don’t crash. Bottom line: society is becoming less tolerant of children. They want to financially punish parents for bringing babies on flights. Parents fight back! This is a no brainer – if you want the seat, buy the seat. If you don’t mind holding your baby, no one should be able to punish you for that in the name of “safety” when there is NO THREAT.

Kate commented on Nov 30 10 at 11:06 pm

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