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British Teen Saves American Toddler

Posted by roger sinasohn on March 4th, 2010 at 12:01 pm

1090192137 14242 crop British Teen Saves American ToddlerIs there anything you can’t do on the Internet?  You can order a pizza, pick your hairstyle, and even find the love of your life.  And these days, it turns out, you can even be a hero without having to leave the comfort of your parents’ basement.  In fact, a 17-year-old girl from England managed to foil the rape of a five-year-old North Carolina girl, thanks to the internet.


Twenty-year-old James Carroll was, according to instant messages he sent, planning to take advantage of the preschool-aged girl while babysitting her.  The downside of the story is that the British girl had been having an “internet sex relationship” with Carroll since she was 14 years old, itself an upsetting revelation.  Carroll was arrested and released on bail; the college student lived at home with his parents who are cooperating with police.

The most frightening aspect of this story is that it was the babysitter who was planning the abuse of his position.  As parents, it is horrifying to think that someone we entrust with ensuring our children’s safety could be responsible for such abuse.  It can be difficult enough to find a babysitter; how can one possibly search out the monsters hiding behind the smiles and friendly faces?

I guess the only thing you can do is to make sure you know the person taking care of your children as best you can.  What are your thoughts on the matter?  How do you find a babysitter that you feel comfortable leaving your kids with?

And, of course, kudos to the unnamed British teen who came forward to save the little girl from this monster, even though it meant exposing her own embarrassing connection to him.  We need more kids willing to do the right thing like that.

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Kudos to her. I know its sexist and there are lots of great dads out there, but my kid has a dad. For babysitting, I wouldn’t hire a male. Period.

GP commented on Mar 04 10 at 12:34 pm

I agree GP – I know it’s a shame for the reliable young men out there, but I just wouldn’t feel comfortable hiring a male sitter.

BlackOrchid commented on Mar 04 10 at 12:38 pm

We shelled out for a sitting/nanny service that screens all the sitters ahead of time. It is expensive and we don’t go out very often. I don’t know that I would worry about a male sitter and sexual abuse more than a female sitter and physical abuse, are there statistics comparing them? I would guess the second situation is actually more prevalent.

ann05 commented on Mar 04 10 at 12:41 pm

We’ve had male sitters before and they have been great, especially since we have 3 rather rambunctious boys. I also have one daughter. I can’t help feeling that actions speak louder than words and if I tell her that caring for children isn’t “woman’s work,” but then only hire females to babysit, I’m sending a mixed messages. Especially since we know so many responsible young men. Furthermore, I don’t want my kids to think that they can never trust men. The key is to really know who is watching your kids.

Anonimon commented on Mar 04 10 at 1:11 pm

Good for her for doing the right thing (and thank the stars!) I hope that monster is put away for a long time…

Trey commented on Mar 04 10 at 1:53 pm

GP and BlackOrchid – I would really, truly, genuinely be interested in knowing why you wouldn’t be comfortable hiring a male sitter. Before my mother- and father-in-law moved closer to us and started taking care of my older son, he was in home-based care run by a husband and wife team…both of them were wonderful, and I thought that it was good for my son to see another man in a nurturing role. I have a brother and three brothers-in-law, and I would hesitate not a moment to leave my children in their care. My nephew is getting to be old enough to take care of his siblings, and I think he would do a splendid job. We have a 16-year-old young man next door who is soooo good with kids (two younger siblings and others), and I think he’d be marvelous, as well. Aaaanyway…I guess I agree with Anonimom that it can only be to the good for our kids to be cared for by men and women.

Louise commented on Mar 04 10 at 5:52 pm

I suppose I’m not saying I would never do so – and certainly I have had my brother-in-law sit! – but I guess if we’re talking a teenager, I would have to know a boy a lot better than a girl, does that make sense? I would wonder about his motivations, which I know is unfair, but I can’t say it wouldn’t be on my mind. If I had boys it would probably be less of an issue; I’m thinking more of my daughter.

BlackOrchid commented on Mar 04 10 at 6:11 pm

Thanks, BlackOrchid, for your candid response, and I think I understand where you’re coming from. Maybe it’s because I have two sons, but I guess it makes me a little sad that, for whatever reason, people (not necessarily you) may instinctually mistrust them around kids, while maybe not having the same misgivings about their sister. And it’s not just babysitting…this sometimes extends to parents being uneasy about male kindergarten teachers (there’s an excellent one at my son’s school) and men in general who take an interest in kids other than their own. But you have to have confidence in the people you choose to care for your child…and no one can make you comfortable with a situation if you’re just not, no matter the statistics, etc.

Louise commented on Mar 04 10 at 9:46 pm

I would trust family…my own brother, brothers in law? That would depend, really. I just look at statistics. So, so many more men than women are pedophiles and sex offenders. It’s pretty rare in women. And, I, too, would question the motive of a young man who wants to babysit, not like, meanly question the motive, but just be like…why? Teachers are different. That’s a PROFESSION and they have to go through official screening and such. Still, the folks in the news report posted here knew this fellow well, so you just never know. That’s why I’d play the odds and choose a woman, actually a young girl/college ag girl, most likely.

GP commented on Mar 04 10 at 10:28 pm

I do agree that men can play a positive role in children’s lives and that childcare is not women’s work. I also know that while most men are not predators the vast majority of child molesters are male. In the area that I grew up 3 of my neighbors were exposed and convicted of child molestation. Each of those men were upstanding members of the community with no prior history. One was a father and teacher who I had spent many days at their home swimming in their pool. Never once was there any indication to me or my parents that he was anything less than trustworthy. So I really do understand both sides of the issue and I have to admit that I’m not sure where I’d stand when it comes to my son.

Angela commented on Mar 04 10 at 10:37 pm

GP and Angela, I think I understand the statistics argument: you want to bring to an absolute minimum the chances that your child will be molested, and given the pedophilia numbers, OK. Fair enough. But I guess my response would be that, given the very, very, very slim chances that anything would happen in either case, and the (at best) marginal protective advantage hiring only female babysitters would give you, it’s not worth the message we’re sending our sons. Again, I wonder why we would question the motive of a young man who is interested in caring for children, but not a young woman (assuming we know the two equally well). Isn’t it a rather small step from that to the conclusion that childcare is women’s work?

This is not a great analogy, but to me it’s like the argument that sometimes comes up about letting your kids walk to school by themselves vs. driving them. Yes, driving them might make it 0.0000001% less likely that they won’t be kidnapped on the way to school (yes, I did pull that number out of nowhere), but you can only argue that it’s absolutely the best choice if we assume there’s no downside to never letting them walk by themselves. I guess I’m saying that there’s a downside to this default position of distrust of male caregivers.
Thanks so much for your thoughts on this…

Louise commented on Mar 05 10 at 10:15 am

umm…”less likely that they will be kidnapped”…

Louise commented on Mar 05 10 at 10:24 am

When I was a kid, my brother was always the one who would babysit, not me – he would take care of the neighbors’ kids and infants all the time. Our neighbors were entirely comfortable with it – and I do think in part, it’s because they knew him – he was involved in neighborhood events, mowed their lawns, and was on sports teams (unlike his introverted bookish sister!). I am always really glad when boys with an interest in nurturing are able to develop their skills that way, and I agree with Louise about the message. But I also know that fear is not rational; we can argue all we want about what the statistics actually prove and the messages we send, but fear is a powerful motivator, and if someone is afraid that all males are predators – whether or not that’s rational – there’s very little we can say to convince them to take what they see as a big risk by following the data.

leahsmom commented on Mar 05 10 at 10:53 am

I kinda do think childcare is womens work, actually. I realize this is unpopular and uncommon nowadays. Not that men can’t be great dads and not that men can be sole care providers in a pinch, but I do think, yes, childcare is womens work. It’s important work and it should be highly-valued and not denigrated. And, I respect your love and interest in your son, but my job is not to send a message to boys, my job is to protect my own child.

GP commented on Mar 05 10 at 10:59 am

I am a horrible typer…that should say “not that men cannot be sole care providers in a pinch”

GP commented on Mar 05 10 at 11:01 am

Oh, definitely, leahsmom…you can’t use statistics to make someone take what they perceive as an unacceptable risk. And GP, I agree that your job is to do the best you can by your child…you cannot carry the weight of the world (or what we want the world to be) entirely on your own shoulders. And I’ll agree to disagree on the “childcare is womens work” thing.

Louise commented on Mar 05 10 at 11:21 am

I actually think I would have to know a boy extremely well to let him babysit my kids. But I think it’s because I was abused by multiple men/teenage boys as a girl. Some were in my family, and some weren’t. I just don’t trust very many men at all (except my husband!) I will say, though, that I stopped letting a woman watch my son because I started getting worried about some of her behaviors too. I’m not the type of person who doesn’t use babysitters or anything though. I do have regular ones that I use, but I definitely look for signs for inappropriate behavior all the time.

tlr commented on Mar 05 10 at 1:12 pm

But women are statistically more likely to abuse children in a non-sexual way! How do you select a baby sitter now? I guess we’ll all have to judge people as individuals, based on their individual merit. Darn. It was way easier to check the contents of their pants.

Eric commented on Mar 05 10 at 5:38 pm

Gotta say I agree with Eric’s point. I have had men I know well look after my child. I also keep a eye out for inappropriate behaviors in anyone my child is spending time around, like tir stated. In my opinion childcare is a parent’s work and I suppose this is the context in which I am most comfortable having a male, other than my husband, care for my child. The only teen I trust to care for my child is one where I know her whole family and have watched grow up. Heavens help me when she leaves for college.

Mistress_Scorpio commented on Mar 05 10 at 8:35 pm

I really, really wish I could find the study my friend cited, but anyway… My very dear friend shared a bit of “wisdom” (?) with me that she had learned from a social work class. (I know, this already sounds vague.) Essentially – teenage boys are by their very nature grappling with biological urges – sexual, physical, aggressive. MOST boys emerge as fine men. However, this friend of mine was advised by an old sage to not put her children (both little boys) in the care of teenaged boys if possible (with exceptions such as well-known/trusted cousins or whatever) because teenaged boys lack impulse control. Many teenaged boys’ lack of impulse control manifests in skateboarding down the school steps, lighting a tissue to watch it burn, throwing a rotten egg, etc. But every once in a while, the impulsiveness and sexual urges combine to a form a very harmful situation. So, in a sense, this old sage (professor) was providing both an explanation and warning. On a personal level, I know far, far too many grown women who – upon reflection – had iffy experiences with slightly older boys in the neighborhood… The boy who jokingly pulled down our pants or made lewd remarks or worse. And, finally, I am raising two sons – one of whom is a “tween” – and have this tucked in the back of my head so I don’t put my head in the sand about their behavior.

ceecee commented on Mar 06 10 at 9:03 am

If we’re just talking statistics, isn’t it MOST likely that kids will be abused by a relative? Everything I’ve ever read has said that the whole “stranger danger” thing is exaggerated and young people are more at risk from uncles, grandfathers, etc, than baby-sitters.

e commented on Mar 06 10 at 10:40 am

The statistics on non-sexual abuse of children are for female PARENTS…that is, parents of the child, I would imagine…”The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services reports that for each year between 2000 and 2005, ‘female parents acting alone’ were most likely to be perpetrators of child abuse”

Although there is no “excuse” for abuse, I would imagine these women probably are highly stressed and/or mentally unstable or have a lack of resources in caring for their child and are having a hard time.

A female BABYSITTER is likely to be far less stressed, since she is just watching the child for a (hopefully) short period of time.

For these reasons, I would hire a young, bright, college or early 20s female without children of her own, but who maybe grew up in a family with younger siblings or had experience sitting around the neighborhood as a teen or nannied. I think this is the ideal babysitter.

I specifically did NOT hire people who responded to an ad I placed who were older and who were moms themselves because I wanted someone fresh, young, playful and unstressed to deal with my child.

And as far as sexual abuse by a relative being most prevalent, that may be true but I also seem to recall having heard it was “by someone they knew” which would equal babysitter.

I think ceecee’s comments are prett spot-on.

GP commented on Mar 06 10 at 12:47 pm

Quite honestly, GP, I find your position (not yours exclusively)offensive. People are individuals and you should evaluate them as such. You shouldn’t be mincing statistics to see what gender, color, class, or orientation they are to decide whether you should hire them for a job (childcare or otherwise). Thank God we have laws that prevent the kind of discrimination you’re talking about in most jobs.

Eric commented on Mar 06 10 at 8:14 pm

When it comes to the care of my child I could not care less who I offend. If I was hiring for a position in an office, gas station, restaurant or whatever, it would be different, but I can choose whoever I damn well please to care for my child. I don’t have the time or wherewithall to meet with every 28 year old bus driver single mom who answers my ad for babysitting and wants me to bring my kid to her place when I need childcare (a real example) or to meet a 17 year old pregnant girl whose mom answered my ad on her behalf. I wasted enough time interviewing, in person, immigrants who could hardly spell and who didn’t follow up with references in the interest of “giving them a chance”…so I know who I am looking for and how to narrow the field.

GP commented on Mar 06 10 at 9:24 pm

yes, because bright, early twenties young ladies, like Louise Woodward, never hurt the children in their care…

jenny tries too hard commented on Mar 06 10 at 10:00 pm

Louise Woodward was a NANNY not a babysitter and the child was 8 months old. Personally, I did not feel comfortable leaving my child in the care of anyone but me until she was much older than this…like 2, to begin with. In addition, it would be for a few hours, not a whole day, or days on end. This is why I am committed to caring for my OWN child. Again, we are discussing BABYSITTERS here not all day care, au pairs or nannies.

And, while it *is* possible that someone fitting the profile I have chosen as ideal for a babysitter might be a criminal, I am simply stating statistical odds and the factors that came into play when I chose a babysitter for OCCASIONAL nights out. Why does everyone seem so hellbent on “proving” that *anyone* could potentially abuse their child…sure, that’s true. Then again, I’m not the one who leaves my kid in daycare.

Sigh. Seriously, I don’t know why I have this morbid compulsion to read and reply to all these inane posts.

GP commented on Mar 06 10 at 10:53 pm

oh, calm down, I was being facetious. My daughters’ daycare employs men, too, so I guess I’m just a monster. Women past their twenties, too, as people often are when they’ve got years of special ed experience. Everyone has their preferences, but you just come across as being so judgemental that poking fun is darn near irrestible. Oh, a 28-year-old single mom wants to babysit—maybe she thinks it’s a good way for her kid to have a playmate while allowing the mom to spend a few less hours away from home. But she drives a BUS! How PLEBIAN! And goodness knows, if your kid spent time, as you said occasionally, in another home she might learn that other families don’t consider childcare women’s work. And don’t get me started on immigrants…because of course, spelling in your second language is the best marker of a tendency to abuse children.

I think it’s possible to state preferences without denigrating others’ choices and generalizing. We all slip from time to time, but if it wasn’t practically every post with you, it’d be easier to take.

jenny tries too hard commented on Mar 06 10 at 11:56 pm

Jenny tries too hard – Time to take your angry meds. YIKES.

what the heck? commented on Mar 07 10 at 11:53 am

Sorry…I drove her to it…my post does make me sound a bit snobby…but, the point is, I took the time out to interview the bad-spelling immigrants and they failed to provide follow-up references, when they’d said they had them, thereby wasting my time. As for the single mom bus driver, it’s not that it’s a working class job, it’s that its a STRESSFUL job, and it’s also stressful to be a single parent and I’m not going to be the one with my kid as the guinea pig to this woman’s stress and I’m certainly not going to haul my kid to someone else’s house at night every time I wanna go on a date with my husband. Further, I think in the case of this topic, *I* am the one who is having their choices/preferences denigrated by others. Thing is, I don’t really care…

GP commented on Mar 07 10 at 5:18 pm

I don’t feel bad for ‘denigrating’ your prejudice. If you had said that you prefered college girls as sitters, or that you’ve had good luck with college girls I wouldn’t have said boo. But you said: “For babysitting, I wouldn’t hire a male. Period.” You then backed up your reasoning for this with: “I just look at statistics. So, so many more men than women are pedophiles and sex offenders.” Well, each person is an individual and deserves to be treated as such.

Eric commented on Mar 07 10 at 9:00 pm

*anger pill taken, Dr. Heck*

My issue honestly, is that I was honestly being facetious with the Lousise Woodward comment, in the way I often am to GP, and she then unleashed a load of examples that apparently serve to justify her prejudices.

Obviously, if I placed an ad that specified childcare in my home, and someone called up offering childcare somewhere else, that person wouldn’t get the job—but I wouldn’t try to twist that into their dayjob and/or single-parent status being relevent. Presumably, this single mom was not hired because she was unable to do the job you were offering, right? Last I checked it was at least immoral/unethical for employers to even ask about single parent status. Is GP saying that a twenty-year-old single mom/bus driver who left her own kid with Grandma to go babysit in a client’s home would still be disqualified? Because that’s what it sounded like.

Also, if you didn’t hire someone because they didn’t have references, why bring their country-of-origin (confirmed or not, I don’t know) and their poor spelling into it? Which is odd, by the way, because a twenty-year-old international college student with no children might very well be an immigrant who spells poorly—-but she would still fit your desired demographic, right?

I am not a fan of prejudice. Sorry. GP, I agree with you a good deal of the time, but my main issue with you is prejudice. Non-College-Age person = unqualified sitter. Working Mom = Selfish materialist. Non-Cosleeper = Hateful towards little babies Non-Nursing Mom = Selfish materialist / lazy shirker / tool of formula companies

It’s absolutely your right to have these prejudices, and to state them. But, if you would recognize that people are different, that some college-students are more stressed by school and dating than some others are by a job and a kid, it would go a long way.

I’m not denigrating your choice—I’m denigrating the prejudice not just on this post but on the last few I’ve checked.

jenny tries too hard commented on Mar 08 10 at 12:43 am

Sorry, I didn’t know you were being facetious.

Like I said, if I were hiring someone for an office job, or some other BUSINESS VENTURE, I would not bring the same “prejudices” into play. Hiring a babysitter, and the care of my young child is a much more personal issue and I would argue that one could/should have more stringent criteria. There has to be some way to cull the field, and I am just being honest about the *typical* profile of who I would be most predisposed to hiring for a babysitter. I already have recognized that “that people are different, that some college-students are more stressed by school and dating than some others are by a job and a kid.” Sure, everybody is different. But my private home does not need to be the lab for proving the merits of all these people. You are right about me coming on too strong in my posts about my opinions, though, so I am going to try really hard to just chill and read about what others say for a while and try really hard to withold making a comment all the time.

GP commented on Mar 08 10 at 8:55 am

oh and by the way, I didn’t ask her about her single/married/mom status…she told me voluntarily…

GP commented on Mar 08 10 at 8:56 am

I realize this thread has gone a little off the rails, but I pray that this experience has taught the British girl about the dangers of the Internet and the harsh reality of casual sexual encounters.

Hope commented on Mar 11 10 at 12:18 am

I got into a conversation with a younger man who was working at our day care center as his summer job a few years ago. He told me that his friends all laughed at him for working with little kids when they were doing ‘manly’ jobs like road construction, but as far as he was concerned the joke was on them, because they were pouring asphalt in the blazing sun while he was reading stories and kicking balls with adoring four-year-olds. I suspect the primary motivator for any potential babysitter/nanny/whatever is that they get paid, and that getting paid for child care is more appealing than whatever the alternatives are.

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