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Airlines to Parents: No, You Can’t Sit With Your Kids

Posted by sierra on February 17th, 2010 at 8:13 am

3793821434 6dd75a16d1 m Airlines to Parents: No, You Cant Sit With Your KidsOver the weekend, I flew from Boston to Tucson on US Airways. Our trip involved three separate flights, and on each one, I was seated far away from my kids.

When I first noticed this on my boarding pass, I approached the gate agent with a joke, “Hi! I don’t want to sit next to these kids any more than anyone else does, but I’m sure you won’t really let me get away with that.”

The joke became a lot less funny when he said there was nothing he could do to fix it. And even less funny when his supervisor told me the same thing. Get on the plane, they advised me, and maybe some generous passenger will be willing to swap seats with you.

Hot tip, US Airways: Wrong Answer. You assigned my toddler and my kindergartner seats in row 26 and put me in row 5. That is your problem to solve, not your problem to dump on the dude in seat 26D.

The first and third flights were actually easy fixes, but on the second we ran into trouble. We’d all been assigned center seats, and the flight attendant was Not Helpful. Eventually we were able to sit together, but only after 20 minutes of waiting on the plane with scared kids and no seats.

I was mad. The flight attendant was rude, and clearly had no clue how to deal with what turned out to be a pretty common issue. There were five families on that flight alone who had been separated from their kids.

So  I blogged about it, like you do. Other parents started chiming in with their own horror stories, and within a day or so, US Airways had become avid readers of ChildWild.

They dispatched a very nice person from Customer Relations to talk to me. Cynthia explained that their policy is to let parents ask other passengers to swap seats. That usually works, she said.

Would US Airways really let a two-year-old fly by herself, sandwiched between two strangers on a long flight?

“It’s not a situation that would normally happen because nobody wants to sit next to that child,” Cynthia told me.

Wait a minute! People reserve a seat online, and think that is the seat they will have. But when they get on the plane, they’re confronted with a Bad Choice: give up their cushy aisle/window seat and cram their butt into a center seat for the ride, or spend the next few hours babysitting a distraught toddler. Leaving aside the needs of the child or parent involved, that’s a crappy way to treat your other customers.

This is not just US Airways problem. The commenters on my original blog post made it clear this kind of thing happens on other airlines all the time. Seriously? You would let a two-year-old fly without a parent? Maybe they should be marketing this as a service to parents. Free babysitting for the duration of your flight with purchase of round-trip airfare. Only, no.

This is just not a banner week to be an airline. Southwest has been nicknamed Southworst after dubbing Kevin Smith too fat to fly. Spirit Airlines kicked a whole family off a plane because a dad insisted on getting a glass of water for his pregnant wife.

Next year, I think we’ll take the scenic route and go by train.

Have you ever been asked to sit apart from your young child on a plane? How did the airline handle it? Would you let your two-year-old fly alone?

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Girl Arrested for Drawing on Desk | Strollerderby commented on Feb 22 10 at 11:23 am

I would have gotten off the plane with my son. There is no way I’d ever fly If I or a family member were not sitting next to him. One thing my husband did before a trip with me, after we bought the tickets, he checked to make sure we were sitting together by calling the airline or when we checked our baggage and got our boarding pass. There were a couple times where we weren’t together and it was able to be changed. But that was 5 years ago, I don’t know what it’s like now.

Va Mommy commented on Feb 17 10 at 8:24 am

Yes, this has happened to me a handful of times on different airlines. In every case, it worked out that someone helped me sit with my young daughter. I agree that if we buy X number of tickets at one time, I expect them to be together. It would be a different story if I bought the tickets separately (or on different days), but when I buy two tickets in one transaction, I expect two seats next to each other, especially when I fill out the box that says I’m traveling with a child.

Barb commented on Feb 17 10 at 9:27 am

This just happened to us in December with our 18 month old! Our seats weren’t together and United Airlines said there was nothing they could do to help us, we would just have to ask someone to trade with us. While standing at the back of a tiny plane waiting for everyone to be seated, trying to wrangle my toddler, I tried to commiserate with the flight attendant and said something like, “Some of these restrictions are getting ridiculous.” She told me that the restrictions were for my safety and if I didn’t like them I could leave the plane immediately. Yikes. How is sitting apart from my 18-month old for my safety??

I’m with you, from now on we’re driving or taking the train whenever possible and flying only when absolutely necessary.

e commented on Feb 17 10 at 9:30 am

I almost wish someone would have the nerve to do it. Leave their child between strangers, 26 rows away. I bet the policy would change really quickly if a parent didn’t work on the switcheroo, but said “no, no. These are the seats you gave us, I’m sure you know what’s best.” Especially if they had a particularly rambunctious, outgoing child.

Bec commented on Feb 17 10 at 10:49 am

@Bec – I was just wondering myself if something like that would work. Alas, no. I fear that the TSA would simply remove and arrest the toddler and then you’d really really really be screwed. (I’m thinking that my opinionated, just discovered he can scream tot who has a tendancy to wildly headbutt when angered would not be a good seatmate. But hey, I have no plans on flying with or without him anytime in the near future!)

PlumbLucky commented on Feb 17 10 at 10:57 am

I’ll take the train or drive, thanks. The airlines could give a damn about their customers these days.

Mistress_Scorpio commented on Feb 17 10 at 10:58 am

My mom DID have the nerve to do just that (sort of). A particularly annoyed looking twenty something refused to acknowledge she was speaking to him when she asked him to switch seats. My dad had the four year old and she had the two year old and infant. So, she plopped down said two year old and sat behind her where she was assigned with me the infant. After about two minutes my sister started screaming WHERE’S MY MOMMY? WHERE’S MY MOMMY? and the twenty something could suddenly notice my mom and graciously offered to trade seats with her. She thought it was hilarious.

Abby commented on Feb 17 10 at 11:14 am

This has happened to me once, but we had two seats together and the third (assigned to my 4yo) was separate. We took it upon ourselves to rearrange. The second leg of the trip they were able to reassign us so we got lucky. I have also found that if you say you won’t be offended if you want to sit somewhere other than next to a toddler, the other passenger will glady switch seats. However! I don’t know why this happens to begin with. I have to give my son’s age when I book a ticket for him so they should know that the adults should be seated with him. Besides, all they have to do is stop guaranteeing seating assignments. Or handle it by calling passengers up in the gate area to discuss rearrangements rather than causing problems at boarding.

Leigh commented on Feb 17 10 at 11:18 am

@Leigh – you know, now that you mention it, the last time I flew (Delta, I think?) specifically asked that people traveling with children under ten come to the gate first.

PlumbLucky commented on Feb 17 10 at 11:36 am

Enquiring minds want to know: Did you purchase specific seats next to each other ahead of time? I fly a lot for business and I can totally see this happening (and have seen even stupider things happen like a parent getting a seat and their kid getting bumped to a later flight). But in talking with my friends, people are having a hard time believing this could happen if you purchased specific seats at the time you bought your ticket, and then checked in on time at the gate. Can you clarify?

Allison commented on Feb 17 10 at 11:46 am

We only fly southwest with our kids, that way we pick our seats. And, if we cancel our trip they refund the cost of the seat — even if we only cancel one leg.

Not ideal — and obviously we are not “fat” (ok not really fat, I’d like to lose a few lbs to be sure…). :-)

Newby commented on Feb 17 10 at 12:05 pm

I’ve flown a ton with my little kid, and I always just reserve seats together. I’ve been known to call several times beforehand to ensure we’re seated together. Is this not common practice?

E commented on Feb 17 10 at 12:30 pm

Aside from the obvious humanity fail, it’s astonishing to me that the airline isn’t bothering to fix it. We have the technology, you know. This can be done computationally. WTF?

vika commented on Feb 17 10 at 12:34 pm

@Scorpio: The train! Ahh! I hope the trains run better where you are. Around here they’re more expensive than flying and take 10 times as long. I remember pointing that out to the lady at Amtrak I was trying to book with. She pointed out that I got a bigger seat, a table, and a full meal! That’s because it takes forever!

Eric commented on Feb 17 10 at 12:40 pm

E- yep, we did the same thing. Called twice, actually, just to make sure we were all set. Then when we printed our boarding passes they had us in different seats. I called again and they said they couldn’t help because we had already printed our boarding passes. Argh.

e commented on Feb 17 10 at 1:00 pm

This is why I fly SWA. I can choose my seats when I get there. Flight attendants are always helpful in making sure my (now) 5 yr old and I are not seperated. Honestly, of all the airlines we’ve flown together (quite a few), Southwest has been the best for us.

lisa commented on Feb 17 10 at 1:08 pm

When I was younger (like, wow, 20 years ago now), I used to fly with my two younger sisters to visit our distant father. My youngest sister is 10 years younger than I am. We usually booked seats together, but sometimes it didn’t happen or we ran into missed connections, etc. Even well before all the new regulations it was pretty much the same way: you had to wait until people had boarded and ask (or sometimes a flight attendant would get on the onboard PA and ask for a volunteer) if anyone would mind switching. Once when we had mechanical trouble and got rebooked on a new flight, no one would switch with me or middle sister so that baby sister -then three years old- could sit with one of us. Furthermore, when an hour into the flight, baby sister hollered out for MsC to come take her the bathroom, the two women sitting on either side of her, both of whom had refused to switch seats with me, got all snippy. I managed to *politely* remind them how they could have avoided that situation.

MsC commented on Feb 17 10 at 1:57 pm

Has happened to us, but I can’t recall which airline. There are 4 of us. They had myself, my oldest child, and my husband sitting all in one row, and my baby (just over 1) sitting seven rows ahead in a middle seat. So, we had to figure out how to get someone in that row to switch with either my husband or myself, which would leave the switcher stuck in the aisle seat because we were told we HAD to put my daughter in the window seat. THEN we would have to kindly ask the window-sitter in my son’s row to switch all the way to the aisle seat as well so we could move him. Big Nightmare. Ugh. That was the last time I flew, and I’m greatful it was over 2.5 years ago.

Jenny commented on Feb 17 10 at 2:29 pm

We also fly Southwest all the time, and I have to say we have always had a good experience. As others have said, you can pick your own seats, so you will always be sitting next to your kids. (They let families with small kids board after the first 30 people. I know it sounds weird, but it works.) I have always found them to be extremely accommodating and friendly with kids. I have had occasion to fly with my son on a couple of other airlines and I have not had the same good experience.

Also, about the Kevin Smith thing, the facts are a little weird. He actually did buy 2 seats, but then wanted to fly earlier so he went on standby and got on a plane that had only one seat available. Southwest probably should have made sure there were 2 seats available, but he also should have made sure. I get a feeling he is doing this for publicity since he has a movie coming out. (Before his last movie there was an incident where he broke a toilet.)

Laure68 commented on Feb 17 10 at 9:23 pm

Air Canada. ‘Nuff said.

Melanie commented on Feb 18 10 at 12:02 am

Didn’t another Strollerderby blogger blog about sexual abuse on airplanes? If you Google “sexual abuse on airplanes” you get all sorts of hits about how such abuse is far more common than one might imagine. I distinctly remember reading about a girl who was a solo traveler falling asleep and woke up with someone’s hands in her pants. You’d think that the airlines might be more concerned about law suits, even if they’re not concerned with the health, safety, and comfort of their passengers.
When you buy a ticket, even if you can pick seats, sometimes, the flights are overbooked, so the airline assigns the same seat to two people. It’s all a vast tapestry.
Finally, my husband won’t fly Southwest anymore. They almost arrested us because we didn’t have a doctor’s note for my son, even though I called their customer service agents and asked specifically if we needed said note, and they said no. The pilot ended up being able to call the doctor’s office and getting the note faxed. The flight attendant was awful – told us to get off the plane or be arrested, as opposed to trying to help at all.

Robyn commented on Feb 18 10 at 12:17 am

I’ve flown with my family and although I have had the problem with being assigned seats away from my young children, the flight attendants have always been really helpful in figuring out a way for us to sit together. I guess I’ve just been lucky.

diera commented on Feb 18 10 at 12:07 pm

There’s something I just don’t understand about the circumstances surrounding this (and I mean “don’t understand” in the genuine way, not the potentially-snarky way). If you buy your tickets and reserve seats ahead of time so that you can sit with your kids, and later on, you’re just assigned different seats willy-nilly, then what the %#$@ is the point of allowing you to pick your seats out ahead of time? OK, maybe I did mean it in the snarky way…
If I reserved seats when I booked, I’d assume those were my seats unless there were extraordinary circumstances. It sounds like in some circumstances, the act of choosing seats upon booking your tickets is sort of like those play steering wheels for toddlers…you’re not actually controlling the process, you only think you are. What am I missing?

Louise commented on Feb 19 10 at 10:29 am

Hate to say it but this happens all the time and on all kinds of trasit. On a cross country, overnight trip from Illinois to Colorado Amtrack tried to seat all five of our family members in five different cars. This included a 8,6,and 3 year old child. Only after we refused to let others on the train until they figured out a better solution did they oblige but not without an enormous amount of griping!

Maria commented on Feb 20 10 at 2:21 pm

Last year, United cancelled our flight from Chicago to Hawaii and rerouted my husband and me on a separate flight from my child. He was two months old at the time, and it took me approximately 2 hours of arguing with both the people at the gate and the “customer service” people to get it fixed. Also, they had him on two flights , and even though I explained that he wasn’t even rolling over yet, so would probably miss his connection, they still threw up their hands!

Pepper commented on Feb 21 10 at 1:37 am

I’m so glad I read this! I was just getting ready to book our family vacation and we were going to use US Air. I won’t use them now. We can fly cross-country with another carrier.

LisaW commented on Feb 21 10 at 8:25 am

This has happened to us several times recently. Once on an international flight when I was traveling with my 3 year old and one year old. On one leg I was able to get someone to switch, but then on another when I refused to sit apart from my crying children I had to disembark and fly the rest of our international flight on standby. This was on Continental. For our family, this kind of situation has tended to occur when our original flight (where we insured seats together) is cancelled and then we’re rebooked on flights, but with seats that are not necessarily together. Such a nightmare, and the policies in place are just a disgrace. Such a stressful way to travel.

BostonMom commented on Feb 21 10 at 6:54 pm

“I explained that he wasn’t even rolling over yet, so would probably miss his connection”

LOL

Louise commented on Feb 22 10 at 12:15 pm

Sounds like the airlines are as efficient as the government. Perhaps next time you can hand the flight attendant your diaper bag and inform her that he is teething, which tends to cause frequent and loose bowel movements. Not to worry though, you made sure to bring plenty of diapers and extra wipes.

KelliW commented on Feb 22 10 at 11:41 pm

This strikes me as a huge SAFETY issue. What happens if a child is apart from her parent, and something happens to the plane? What if it falls in the Hudson River? A distressed parent trying to reconnect with a solo young child is going to be a danger to everyone on the plane trying to exit.

Cee Kay commented on Feb 27 10 at 4:18 pm

I flew to Paris to see family and even though I checked SEVERAL times about our seats.. I get to the airport and of course my 1 year old is in a seat in the front of the plane and I in the back. I tried to get someone in each aisle to move but one couple was on their honeymoon and the other were two traveling together, neither would separate.
I sure as heck wasn’t going to fly separately from my child… my options were get off the plane or think of something quick.
I simply stood in the aisle and said. “Listen people we have two choices, we can have a calm happy flight or we can have a stinky unchanged diaper, crying, screaming, puking kind of flight to Paris. I am NOT going to sit separately from my 12month old child… who wants to move or shall I delay us more!” I had two seats together in a flash!

CW commented on Mar 18 10 at 3:11 am

This just happened to me on a United flight from Hawaii. They decided to overbook the plane and when it got to crowded not to fit everyone on it they decided that my 5 year could sit by herself away from me. I was furious and feel like it is time we start pushing congress to pass laws to stop this.

TS commented on Apr 08 10 at 12:50 am

I just same problem. I posted a complaint with the Airlines as well and got the standard we cannot guarentee seating. I just posted a complaint on the Department of Travel page. If anyone witnesses the same problem please post it there. Hopefully this will make the DOT aware of the problem and force the airlines to change thier seating policies.

TS commented on Apr 10 10 at 1:23 am

I used to work for a very cheap airline about 10 years ago, and I was responsible for switching planes on the computer. I always made sure to block unoccupied seats together in the new plane, then once the switch was made checked the age of misplaced passengers and even upgraded them if necessary.
As ground personnel it was always a common practice to ask on behalf of the passenger for switches and maybe upgrade the one passenger versus the whole family. I think this should be the case with every airline!!

Evylyssa commented on Jun 17 10 at 5:39 pm

Not all airlines actually “reserve” seats in advance. You *think* you have a reserved seat but if someone checks in before you and asks to be moved they won’t think twice of ousting you or your child. It’s really insane. I agree with the posted who asked why they can’t call the involved parties to the desk near the gate and resolve this. It’s crazy to ask your customers to negoiated their own seat assignments and frankly it should be illegal to separate children from parents up to a certain age. In another setting the parent would get brought up on child abandonment charges! Crazy world.

Cindi commented on Oct 19 10 at 12:30 pm

I think the quickest way to get this into law is to require that “any person who is traveling with a child or other person who needs assistance, should put on the other person’s oxygen mask first and then your own.” Anyone accompanying such a person must be seated next to them. Make this a life safety issue! Because it truly is! (And a new law/rule should apply to Amtrak as well for the care reasons people have stated here.) Come on people, all you who are now traveling Amtrak or your kids are grown, take time to email or call your Congressional reps and let them know how you feel.

Garry commented on Dec 22 10 at 11:02 am

When this happens to us, we board early, sit together with the child, (in the least favorable row or seat) and then ask the person as they approach the seat, “would you kindly switch seats with me so that I may sit with my child? Then I offer the seat in the row closer to the front or the aisle seat that would have been mine or my childs. Works every time.

Yvette Yasui commented on Jan 14 11 at 9:55 pm

To be honest, I think that this is one way for airlines to “push” for fewer children on flights. With all of the bad publicity in recent years regarding children, and with the parents who truly don’t care about their Childs behavior on a flight, I think that the airlines are trying to make it more difficult for parents and little kids to fly.

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