In Defense of the Editor Who Reported Teacher’s Dirty Net Comments
A teacher who was spending the school day online posting vulgar comments on a local newspaper’s website has lost his job. So why is everyone mad at the editor who turned him in to school officials?
Kurt Greenbaum of the St. Louis Post Dispatch e-mailed the school when he noticed the it was the source linked to a commenter who had repeatedly tried posting a dirty word for part of the female anatomy.
The posting was part of a water cooler discussion on “strangest thing you’ve ever eaten,” Greenbaum said in a blog post about his decision to report the comment. According to his story, the comments started showing up mid-morning, and when he identified the IP address as belonging to the school, he called them.
They asked him to forward on the automatic e-mail created by the paper’s Wordpress. The school’s headmaster called back six hours to say they’d confronted the teacher, and he resigned.
Which still doesn’t explain why everyone is up in arms at Greenbaum. Post after post attacks the Post-Dispatch’s social media editor as do numerous articles.
They say he overstepped. They’ve called for his resignation.
What about the guy who was violating the terms of service on the Post-Dispatch blog site? Not to mention doing it during work hours? And on a school computer?
By alerting the school, Greenbaum wasn’t telling on a teacher so much as he was warning the district that their IP address had been flagged for a violation. It could just as easily have been a student, in which case the district would be aware that students were posting inappropriate conduct on the net during school hours.
It turned out it was a teacher. Even worse. He’s old enough to know how inappropriate the consequences of his actions are. Not to mention he’s a teacher - he should know what’s appropriate DURING school hours. As a teacher, you have to think about what a student sees if he or she is standing behind you in the school. If he was doing it after school (like the teacher with the “b-word” on her personal Facebook page), he’s just a bit of a creep - but not doing anything that should get him in trouble. They can have lives.
When you go online, people like to assume anonymity, but those pesky terms of service get in the way. This teacher agreed to them when he posted on someone’s site. He gave up the right to defend himself for doing something not appropriate or work related on company time.
So who’s right here?
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Tags: editor, education, Jeanne Sager, privacy, right to privacy, school district, student, teacher
11 Comments
Mike commented on Nov 20 09 at 11:13 amConcentrate on getting alleged facts straight in your next post. 1) There is no mention of the person who resigned being a teacher. 2) There is no mention of the person who resigned posting during work hours. Could have been lunchtime or a break.
Michael Chermside commented on Nov 20 09 at 6:43 pmThe person (whoever it was) who posted from the school has resigned. I don’t object to that. The terms of service make it clear that the paper will exercise editorial control over what is actually displayed in the forum, and may ban you if you post things they find objectionable. I don’t object to that. But this staff member at the paper chose to reveal identifying information (ip address and precise access time) to the school administration along with the message posted. I would expect that if posting to 4chan.org; I do *not* expect it when posting to a newspaper. While a random posting to a newspaper comments forum may not trigger the full fledged “protection of anonymous sources” behavior, I DO expect newspapers to be sensitive to this sort of thing. If I were the newspaper’s manager, I would discipline the offending staff member. If I were a local citizen, my opinion of my newspaper’s professionalism would go down.
ron commented on Nov 20 09 at 7:50 pmSincere question ’cause I’m trying to verify this story. Do you have a valid source (other than Mr. Greenbaum) which verifies that the “school employee” was a teacher and that he/she resigned?
Sara commented on Nov 21 09 at 10:45 amDoes anyone think that it’s appropriate to post offensive things on the internet while at work and on work computers regardless of whether the person is on a break or at lunch?
I don’t blame the person that called the school, I’m sure they assumed it was a student.
yomama commented on Nov 21 09 at 3:57 pmYou have no idea what you’re talking about. Defending Kurt Greenbaum puts you in a new category of stupidity. So what if the man posted a vulgar comment at work. There’s something called freedom of speech, and unlike you, I believe that it extends EVERYWHERE. So, go ahead, defend Kurt Greenbaum like the tool you are. You’ve only shown how utterly pathetic you are.
Greenbaum needs diapers commented on Nov 21 09 at 9:07 pm>As a teacher, you have to think about what a student sees if he or she is standing behind you in the school.
See, schools have rooms that students are not allowed in. And in these rooms they can put computers, otherwise every kid could see every test as it was being written. I am going to go out on a limb and suggest he was in one of those.
Yeah, he must have been in one of those, or it would have been a student reporting him, although even students know you don’t tattle when your feelings are hurt.
A vulgar word. Really? Is there any adult alive that has not heard every “bad word” so many times these days that they lose all impact? The only thing that is vulgar here is the idea that some words are still vulgar.
Greenbaum is a baby and his actions are not to be commended in any way. If he was my employee he would be cleaning out his desk under the watch of security.
Deb Fannin commented on Nov 22 09 at 8:34 amComments The problem is this, the newspaper’s privacy policy which was violated by an employee: We will not share individual user information with third parties unless the user has specifically approved the release of that information. In some cases, however, we may provide information to legal officials as described in “Compliance with Legal Process” below.
Located here: http://www.stltoday.com/help/privacy-policy
Melissa Simon commented on Nov 22 09 at 11:29 amIt is hard to believe *this* article was written by the same jeannesager who lauded the “journalistic integrity” of students whose school paper had been shut down for “being too honest.” *That* article was spot-on. This article seems to be written by jeannesager’s evil doppelgänger.
In terms of the facts, that it was a teacher isn’t known, nor is it relevant. The paper’s privacy policy was violated. Greenbaum makes claims about blocking the school’s from accessing the newspaper that have no technical basis (and someone whose profession is in technology should know this). And even if it hadn’t been against the privacy policy, even if it had been a problem with an IP, it seems that this was the one-and-only time Greenbaum engaged in this sort of witch-hunt.
Maybe this whole thing is an exercise by Kurt Greenbaum, a made-up social experiment. Let’s hope so, because otherwise, someone has lost his or her job and Greenbaum is gloating over it. Losing one’s job is a serious, serious thing.
mad_hatter commented on Nov 23 09 at 5:58 amHere’s the original comment:
“I have eaten many different animals (or at least parts of them), including rattlesnake, crocodile, alligator, iguana, turtle, and many different molluscs, arthropods, echinoids, and whatnot from sea or river. I have also eaten squirrel, bear, dog, and cat. So, I can say I have eaten p***y, and you can interpret or misinterpret it any way you want. Oh, and woof-woof, too.”Is it that offensive? Not at all. And when did this become just a word for women’s genitalia? It’s obviously a reference to “cat” in this sense (although tongue-in-cheek), due to the “woof-woof” afterward.
baconsmom commented on Nov 23 09 at 12:34 pmNot to mention, Greenbaum repeatedly has used the words “teab***er” and “teab***ing” in his columns. Why does he get to use dirty words, but his commenters can’t?
mystified commented on Nov 24 09 at 3:25 amI don’t think many people are suggesting the individual who resigned should have done what they did. They were out of line, but what I think is the essence of the conflict, is that the newspaper shouldn’t necessarily be deciding that. Many of the commenters on his post also noted that much worse comments are regularly made with seemingly no moderation. If it offends them so much, it’s trivial to filter those comments or make them require approval. Ratting out commenters to their employers has a chilling effect on free speech, when you have to worry about what the editor of some blog might find offensive and who they’ll report you to.








