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	<title>Comments on: Docs Fire Parents Who Won&#8217;t Vaccinate</title>
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		<title>By: julianne ortiz</title>
		<link>http://blogs.babble.com/strollerderby/2009/10/25/docs-fire-parents-who-wont-vaccinate/comment-page-1/#comment-40054</link>
		<dc:creator>julianne ortiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Parent when you child is healthy you are not spending money to go to the docter, but when your child is sick you have to go to the docter then the medicane, then go back for a cheack up, get something eles from for the side effects from the first medicane. Do your homework more sick america is the more controll the goverment has over us Think befor you shot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parent when you child is healthy you are not spending money to go to the docter, but when your child is sick you have to go to the docter then the medicane, then go back for a cheack up, get something eles from for the side effects from the first medicane. Do your homework more sick america is the more controll the goverment has over us Think befor you shot</p>
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		<title>By: julianne ortiz</title>
		<link>http://blogs.babble.com/strollerderby/2009/10/25/docs-fire-parents-who-wont-vaccinate/comment-page-1/#comment-40053</link>
		<dc:creator>julianne ortiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most docter will not touch this stuff them self and most denfentily will not get there children the any of the shots. Listen to what docter oz as said.{ yes get the shot, but my wife and children will not be getting the shot. Thats because the goverment would not allow him to be on air anymore if he did not reccomed the shot to america</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most docter will not touch this stuff them self and most denfentily will not get there children the any of the shots. Listen to what docter oz as said.{ yes get the shot, but my wife and children will not be getting the shot. Thats because the goverment would not allow him to be on air anymore if he did not reccomed the shot to america</p>
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		<title>By: julianne ortiz</title>
		<link>http://blogs.babble.com/strollerderby/2009/10/25/docs-fire-parents-who-wont-vaccinate/comment-page-1/#comment-40052</link>
		<dc:creator>julianne ortiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vacantions are made to make you and you child sick. The shots are made to break down your body thats why after you got the shots you get sick beacause the shot are made of posion. Docter are required by the goverment to vacc the kids because when your sick you are worth money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vacantions are made to make you and you child sick. The shots are made to break down your body thats why after you got the shots you get sick beacause the shot are made of posion. Docter are required by the goverment to vacc the kids because when your sick you are worth money.</p>
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		<title>By: Blacksheep</title>
		<link>http://blogs.babble.com/strollerderby/2009/10/25/docs-fire-parents-who-wont-vaccinate/comment-page-1/#comment-40051</link>
		<dc:creator>Blacksheep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Dawn Crim&#039;s comment is indication that we are dealing with nuttier people than we thought.

If you want to convince people that vaccines are dangerous, please start showing some scientific EVIDENCE rather than resorting to ad hominem attacks, among other fallacious argumnets:

http://open.salon.com/blog/amytuteurmd/2009/11/01/logical_fallacies</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Dawn Crim&#8217;s comment is indication that we are dealing with nuttier people than we thought.</p>
<p>If you want to convince people that vaccines are dangerous, please start showing some scientific EVIDENCE rather than resorting to ad hominem attacks, among other fallacious argumnets:</p>
<p><a href="http://open.salon.com/blog/amytuteurmd/2009/11/01/logical_fallacies" rel="nofollow">http://open.salon.com/blog/amytuteurmd/2009/11/01/logical_fallacies</a></p>
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		<title>By: mls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.babble.com/strollerderby/2009/10/25/docs-fire-parents-who-wont-vaccinate/comment-page-1/#comment-40050</link>
		<dc:creator>mls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why go this route?  Why not make some legal changes to medical malpractice such that doctors don&#039;t have to choose between outrageous litigation and respecting patient autonomy?  Patients who do not vaccinate should relinquish their right to sue in the event that their child contracts a vaccine-preventable disease - why not legalize that instead?  That would protect both doctor AND patient autonomy.  

Why so quick to set this precedent of &quot;mandatory vaccination&quot; or &quot;vaccination by coercion&quot; -- I don&#039;t like where that might lead.  Precedents are no joke.  What&#039;s next...  mandatory breastfeeding, fired if formula feeding because of increased risks of future potentially fatal or chronic diseases?  Mandatory circumciscion, fired if intact son because someday he might transmit an STD?  Mandatory sterilization or kids taken away if you&#039;re not feeding/exercising/schooling/caring for your kids the way some other group of people deems &quot;right&quot;? 

No thanks.  As a US citizen, to be told exactly what medical decisions are going to be made for me and my family, that just seems unconstitutional.  Plus, medicine isn&#039;t perfect!  It&#039;s fallible and changes over time --&gt; sometimes what is lauded as &quot;the next best thing&quot; is often later found to be &quot;unexpectedly dangerous&quot; -- trust me, I wish it weren&#039;t like this.  Also, given that so much of how doctors practice these days is being driven by defensive medicine, insurance issues, overly-close ties to and pressure from advertising campaigns by powerful pharmaceutical companies, etc., the best *evidence-based* medicine just isn&#039;t being practiced - it&#039;s more about what&#039;s popular, not what&#039;s proven.  So given this, I just don&#039;t see resorting to absolutes as truly getting to the root of a dilemma like vaccination.

I mean, seriously, I greatly admire and respect and regularly see our family doctors (ped, OB, internist, other specialists), and I think our government is one of the greatest on the planet -- but c&#039;mon, doctors are HUMAN, and doctors (and legislators, for that matter!) can and *DO* make mistakes, ***just like the rest of us***.    

So that&#039;s why, to me, falling into absolutist, government-required vaccination just seems so extreme, esp when the anti-vax movement is relatively small.  *AND* when other more creative measures could certainly be used to address the issues raised by a small group of our population not vaccinating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why go this route?  Why not make some legal changes to medical malpractice such that doctors don&#8217;t have to choose between outrageous litigation and respecting patient autonomy?  Patients who do not vaccinate should relinquish their right to sue in the event that their child contracts a vaccine-preventable disease &#8211; why not legalize that instead?  That would protect both doctor AND patient autonomy.  </p>
<p>Why so quick to set this precedent of &#8220;mandatory vaccination&#8221; or &#8220;vaccination by coercion&#8221; &#8212; I don&#8217;t like where that might lead.  Precedents are no joke.  What&#8217;s next&#8230;  mandatory breastfeeding, fired if formula feeding because of increased risks of future potentially fatal or chronic diseases?  Mandatory circumciscion, fired if intact son because someday he might transmit an STD?  Mandatory sterilization or kids taken away if you&#8217;re not feeding/exercising/schooling/caring for your kids the way some other group of people deems &#8220;right&#8221;? </p>
<p>No thanks.  As a US citizen, to be told exactly what medical decisions are going to be made for me and my family, that just seems unconstitutional.  Plus, medicine isn&#8217;t perfect!  It&#8217;s fallible and changes over time &#8211;&gt; sometimes what is lauded as &#8220;the next best thing&#8221; is often later found to be &#8220;unexpectedly dangerous&#8221; &#8212; trust me, I wish it weren&#8217;t like this.  Also, given that so much of how doctors practice these days is being driven by defensive medicine, insurance issues, overly-close ties to and pressure from advertising campaigns by powerful pharmaceutical companies, etc., the best *evidence-based* medicine just isn&#8217;t being practiced &#8211; it&#8217;s more about what&#8217;s popular, not what&#8217;s proven.  So given this, I just don&#8217;t see resorting to absolutes as truly getting to the root of a dilemma like vaccination.</p>
<p>I mean, seriously, I greatly admire and respect and regularly see our family doctors (ped, OB, internist, other specialists), and I think our government is one of the greatest on the planet &#8212; but c&#8217;mon, doctors are HUMAN, and doctors (and legislators, for that matter!) can and *DO* make mistakes, ***just like the rest of us***.    </p>
<p>So that&#8217;s why, to me, falling into absolutist, government-required vaccination just seems so extreme, esp when the anti-vax movement is relatively small.  *AND* when other more creative measures could certainly be used to address the issues raised by a small group of our population not vaccinating.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn Crim</title>
		<link>http://blogs.babble.com/strollerderby/2009/10/25/docs-fire-parents-who-wont-vaccinate/comment-page-1/#comment-40049</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn Crim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  It looks like a lot of Big Pharma&#039;s employees have already commented.  Anyone who believes in vaccines is an ignorant fool.  Vaccines are utterly disgusting - not only filled with toxins, but bacteria, fungi, parasites, and animal viruses.  Did you also know that certain vaccines are grown on CANCER CELLS?  Yes, they are called Hela cells.  Read 2 books - &quot;Vaccine Safety Manual&quot; by Neil Z. Miller and &quot;Fear of the Invisible&quot; by Janine Roberts.  Your doctor may fire you, but I&#039;m quite sure that you will want to assault him/her before leaving after you realize what they did to your child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  It looks like a lot of Big Pharma&#8217;s employees have already commented.  Anyone who believes in vaccines is an ignorant fool.  Vaccines are utterly disgusting &#8211; not only filled with toxins, but bacteria, fungi, parasites, and animal viruses.  Did you also know that certain vaccines are grown on CANCER CELLS?  Yes, they are called Hela cells.  Read 2 books &#8211; &#8220;Vaccine Safety Manual&#8221; by Neil Z. Miller and &#8220;Fear of the Invisible&#8221; by Janine Roberts.  Your doctor may fire you, but I&#8217;m quite sure that you will want to assault him/her before leaving after you realize what they did to your child.</p>
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		<title>By: Mistress_Scorpio</title>
		<link>http://blogs.babble.com/strollerderby/2009/10/25/docs-fire-parents-who-wont-vaccinate/comment-page-1/#comment-40048</link>
		<dc:creator>Mistress_Scorpio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robyn, google on up the definition of &quot;herd immunity.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robyn, google on up the definition of &#8220;herd immunity.&#8221;</p>
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