Shouting - It’s the New Spanking

Posted by jeannesager on October 22nd, 2009 at 8:26 am

yelling 207x300 Shouting   Its the New SpankingNeed something else to feel guilty about parents? Here it is - parents who wouldn’t dream about spanking their kids are coming out to tell the world “I’m a shouter.”

Especially now that we aren’t allowed to use time outs (thanks Alfie), it turns out we’re all mad as hell and just can’t take it anymore. But instead of running to a window, we’re keeping our heads indoors and yelling at our kids.

Said Amy McCready, the founder of Positive Parenting Solutions, to the New York Times this week: “screaming is the new spanking.”

A cute little soundbite, backed up with a survey of one thousand three hundred parents - two thirds of whom said yelling is the number one guilt inducer.

OK, I’m going to raise my hand here and say I’ve done it. Yes, I’ve yelled at my kid. Because in lieu of spanking her (uh uh) or locking her in her room (nope), somtimes, you just don’t know what in the bloody blue blazes to do. See that - that’s the frustration of dealing with finding that your four-year-old just broke a hundred dollar item you need for your photography business - that you know you put up on a high shelf, and somehow she still managed to reach, take apart and lose the screw. And did you mention you have a wedding to shoot tomorrow?

You’d like to run outside and scream - but the neighbors might call the cops. And you’d like to run into your room and scream into a pillow - but the four-year-old will follow you there. And so, sometimes, you yell. You let it out, and although you didn’t hurt your child physically, you feel like a real heel.

Yes - shouting is definitely right up there with spanking. If you do it, you feel better for maybe a millisecond. Then comes the guilt.

But here’s where I’m going to quibble with the Times’ experts: “Parental yelling today may be partly a releasing of stress for multitasking, overachieving adults, parenting experts say.”

There it is, my friends. Another jab at us for being “multitaskers” and “overachievers.” Why not come out and say you think we’re working too hard and not playing with our kids enough? Nope, that’s not more guilt talking - not in this economy. The food on the table tastes too good.

A little walk through history, and I’m hard-pressed to say past generations didn’t yell. They just didn’t feel guilty about it. In fact that’s another correlation to spanking. Today we are trying hard not to spank, where our parents and grandparents ascribed to the spoil the rod method of parenting. Likewise, the past generations got so mad they could scream . . . and did (then they pulled out the belt to finish it all off).

I’m willing to buy that non-spankers have finally become the norm rather than the exception. And balancing shouting to ensure it doesn’t become verbal abuse is the next hurdle for parents. But doesn’t that mean today’s “multitasking, overacheiving parents” are trying to do the right thing?

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15 Comments

Awesome! So yelling, spanking, positive reinforcement, negative reinforcement and time-outs are all bad? Perfect I’ll just raise my son to be a wild monkey…hey maybe if I’m lucky he’ll chuck feces at people who come up with conflicting parenting advice!

NC Mom commented on Oct 22 09 at 9:03 am

Trend stories from the NYT Style section are basically pieces of shit. Without any sort of real analysis (wow!, many parents feel guilty about yelling, and someone with a product to sell to help thinks yelling is a major problem) I have to be skeptical about stories that cite “many” and “some” people to bolster their argument.

Comstock commented on Oct 22 09 at 9:04 am

I couldn’t stop myself from commenting on this one; I came in at No. 100 out of 210 thus far:

I know from experience that yelling doesn’t work; it only escalates our son and the situation. We parents are role models: If we yell, we teach our kids to yell. Our son, and I would imagine kids in general, do better with a calm, consistent parent or caregiver. My sitter can get angry, she can get loud, but she never loses it. I’ve learned a lot just by watching her. If he’s already out of control, the last thing he needs is an out-of-control adult. I’m a parent-training vet. Do I know how to give myself a time out, to take a breathe, to diffuse the situation? I’m getting better and better at it. (Our son is 6.) Have I learned the best way to get him to respond is with a calm, commanding voice, all the while ignoring his protestations? Yes. But do I still sometimes yell? Of course I do, especially when it feels like there’s no other way to get his attention, or I’m tired and frustrated. He can really wear you out. But once everyone’s calmed down, I apologize for it. I tell him that I’m not perfect, no one is, but no one is supposed to yell. These days, he’s getting better and better at controlling himself, but he can only learn that from seeing adults do it. Every expert in the book has told us, “You cannot yell.” Still, I’d like to see them spend four hours with my kid and do it.

Beth Arky commented on Oct 22 09 at 12:46 pm

What’s the definition of “yelling”, though? To me, “yelling” is just being louder than the screaming, tantruming child. Do I feel guilty for making my disciplinary intentions known to her? Absolutely not - and when she hears, she obeys, and takes her tantrum to her room.

If “yelling” means having a tantrum of one’s own, however, then of course it’s not a good parenting tactic. Even less so if by “yelling” you mean calling names or hurling accusations.

I would feel guilty for being cruel to my child, but not for raising my voice (or, for that matter, spanking calmly, which I also have done.). “Yelling” is too broad a term to make either of these articles useful.

baconsmom commented on Oct 22 09 at 1:33 pm

baconsmom is right — there’s yelling, and then there’s Yelling. I don’t feel guilty for raising my voice to be heard over a tantrum or the noise of a bunch of kids. I certainly don’t feel guilty when I shout to get the attention of an errant niece or nephew who has decided s/he can ignore me. That’s entirely different from shouting abusive words at a child.

Knitty commented on Oct 22 09 at 7:01 pm

I agree with Comstock. I call bullshit on the NYT’s trendy parenting stories of late.

Mistress_Scorpio commented on Oct 22 09 at 7:51 pm

Please! I do not spank my children, but I most certainly raise my voice, and I don’t feel the least bit guilty. I never degrade them, or verbally abuse them. I don’t curse.

I was raised in a house that was very verbal this way, and it hurt me in no way. To this day I feel loved and cared for, and I think it is perfectly healthy to occasionally lose your temper and get it all out.

As long as you don’t cross over from raising your voice to verbal abuse I see little harm.

francesbean commented on Oct 22 09 at 8:38 pm

I believe it was Reese Witherspoon who said, “If you’re not yelling at your kids, you are not spending enough time with them.” And, that pretty much sums it up.

snarky mama commented on Oct 22 09 at 11:49 pm

When we were interviewed for the piece, we didn’t know which other experts would be interviewed or what they would be saying. There was quite a lot of other quotes that landed on the cutting room floor. While our survey indicated 2/3 of respondents felt yelling induced guilt, this isn’t to say the yelling wasn’t warranted or that parents aren’t supposed to lose their cool. I’m not a Stepford Parent, nor am I sitting perched up on a pedastal claiming yelling is utterly unavoidable. If the yelling isn’t insulting, humiliating or admonishing, then it’s probably more about letting out some frustration or just having a bad day. Kids have a great way of handling it when they make mistakes, they call for a “do over” and go on. I think parents can do the same thing and feel less guilty about the times we get pissed off and yell. Now if yelling is the only form of communication one uses with their kids, that is a completely different animal, but overall yelling happens and what we do about it afterwards provides our children and ourselves with the learning experience. It’s not terrible for kids to see parents have negative emotions, after all , we want our kids to be able to handle their own negative emotions too. Okay, time for bed otherwise I will be utterly cranky in the AM. : )

Devra Renner commented on Oct 23 09 at 12:24 am

correction,should have read “…nor am I sitting perched on a pedistal claiming yelling is utterly avoidable.” Proof I should be in bed!

Devra Renner commented on Oct 23 09 at 12:26 am

What parents are these people? They need to grow a pair already. I was spanked and yelled at as a child. I am a normal (maybe even boring) well adjusted adult.

RP commented on Oct 23 09 at 9:24 am

If shouting is the new spanking, what ever happened to the old spanking? And if yelling is just as bad, why does it sometimes seem like it’s the only thing that works? (For a while, anyway.)

Overcaffeinated Dad commented on Oct 23 09 at 7:21 pm

It seems to me that shouting is just like spanking. Both can be useful tools for correcting an errant child, and both can become abuse when they are done out of anger or with too much intensity.

Eric commented on Oct 24 09 at 12:18 am

Great I think screaming may be just as bad as hitting in some cases but I am relieved to know that people have finally acknowledged screaming just as detrimental as spanking this is gives us hope that parents can find more mature ways to handle their frustrations…..after all we are the role models to our children how can we ask them to act less like brutes if we don’t do the same? Moms on http://www.truuconfessions.com have said the same.

mommiedear commented on Oct 24 09 at 8:56 am

Thank you for all your insightful comments, there are plenty of parents who teach, mentor, listen to and speak with their children raising kind, caring, ethical kids. When our girls misbehave the first person I look to is me. Am I modeling being kind, respectful and caring. When I do the children respond in kind. Our children want to behave they want to be loved and they want to succeed, it is our job to guide and love them showing them how to be adaptable, accountable, skillful kids. Change you, change your child. Lynne Kenney author of The Family Coach Method http://www.lynnekenney.com

Lynne Kenney commented on Oct 28 09 at 11:18 pm

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