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The Herd Immunity is for Him

Posted by jeannesager on October 21st, 2009 at 9:28 am

vaccine 197x300 The Herd Immunity is for HimWhile Jenny McCarthy waxes on righteously indignant about why parents like her don’t have to vaccinate, it’s parents like Stephanie Tatel left wondering where in the world their kids are safe.

Tatel’s toddler has leukemia, and as she points out in a Slate medical article this week, he’s one of the kids to whom the non-vaccinated are a direct threat to life.

That’s because Tatel’s little boy is immunosuppressed – he isn’t on a vaccine schedule because the chemotherapy would destroy any immunities afforded by a shot. It’s not just kids with cancer who can’t be immunized – there are kids who are allergic to portions of vaccines, kids with other immune deficiencies. Ironically, these are the very kids for whom a vaccine-preventable disease is the most dangerous. A kid with no immune system to speak of doesn’t stand a fighting chance against Hib or the chicken pox.

So, as Tatel explaines, “Those who cannot be vaccinated, including young babies, transplant, and cancer patients, depend on the immunity of the herd to protect them.”

And guess where that herd immunity comes from? You got it.

The McCarthys of the world have tried to put a human face on their pseudo-science by parading out their kids. We get it – they’re struggling with the very real and very tough situation of parenting an autistic child. But as Dr. Paul Offit, who Tatel quotes, and many other scientists have proven – the link is non-existent.

The link between non-vaccinated children and the deaths of the immuno-suppressed, however, is very real. And Tatel doesn’t want her child to be human face for that story.

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This post was mentioned on Reddit by trannypunk: that should read ‘non-vaccinated, INFECTED child’. Lack of vaccination =/= presence of illness.

This article reads like fear mongering….

uberVU - social comments commented on Oct 21 09 at 12:12 pm

[...] posted an item earlier this week, pegged to a story on Slate, about how non-vaccinated children can have a potentially negative [...]

A Wired Cover Story That Jenny McCarthy Won’t Like | Strollerderby commented on Oct 24 09 at 2:58 pm

I don’t understand why we can have nut free schools in larger districts but we can’t have vaccine mandatory schools? My districts has over 10 elementary schools. Why can’t one or two of them be designated immunosuppressed schools and require proof of vaccination? Those students whose parents didn’t vaccinate them can send them to different school in the district.

Lisa commented on Oct 21 09 at 1:54 pm

Right on Lisa.

TolaniLucia commented on Oct 21 09 at 3:16 pm

Amen, Lisa. I think that it should be requirement for kids in school to be vaccinated. Non-vaccinators make my blood boil. I know a few, and I’m seriously considering not seeing them this winter especially because they won’t do it. I’m pregnant, so my immune system is depressed; I’ll soon have a newborn; and my elder son has respiratory issues and last year developed pneumonia twice and was in the ER four times. I seriously wonder about the reasoning skills of non-vaxers.

Thanks to the blogger for this post, by the way. I don’t know if it would change any non-vaxer’s mind if they knew that their kid endangered others who CAN’T be vaccinated, but I think that they should at least be required to know that. I’m all for the guilt eating away at them, bit by bit. (That’s a bit tongue-in-cheek, but not totally.)

ChiLaura commented on Oct 21 09 at 4:56 pm

I agree with Lisa and ChiLaura. If you’re going to be a non-vaxer, I’m in favor of the public being alerted to such. Also like Lisa’s idea on immunosuppressed schools.

Mistress_Scorpio commented on Oct 21 09 at 7:35 pm

Cheers to Jeanne and all the comments!

I seriously doubt that this will change the mind of non-vaxxers. Either they just won’t care about other kids or they will say that herd immunity does not exist and it is just a ploy by the government. In the end, the final argument for them always seems to be that the government/”big pharma” is in conspiracy, and all of the data showing vaccines are good is faked. For someone scientific this is extremely irritating, as you can never really convince someone who believes this.

Like ChiLaura, these people really make my blood boil.

btw, if anyone is interested, there is an excellent front-page article in the current issue of Wired magazine about how dangerous the anti-vaccination movement is. I was so pleased to see something in the media that was so articulate concerning this issue.

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/10/ff_waronscience

Laure68 commented on Oct 21 09 at 8:20 pm

I agree with everyone here. If we ALL chose not to vaccinate, we’d have a problem, wouldn’t we?

Manjari commented on Oct 21 09 at 9:24 pm

Manjari, it doesn’t even have to be all or even most of us refusing to vaccinate to have a problem. If 20-25% of kids aren’t vaccinated, that is enough for an epidemic.

Lisa commented on Oct 21 09 at 10:33 pm

Question – an honest, non-snarky one. Where would a child who is otherwise vaxed but is missing one or two due to an allergy to a component or other medical reason be put? They would be at an added risk for whatever it was, and unable through no fault of their own (except genetics or allergies or whatever) to prevent that risk to themselves.

PlumbLucky commented on Oct 22 09 at 8:34 am

Plumb – that kid would be another example of someone who needs to be protected by the herd immunity.

jeannesager commented on Oct 22 09 at 9:19 am

Oh, let’s also not forget that vaccines don’t provide 100% immunity, so even if my child is vaccinated, he could still catch something from a non-vaccinated kid. So it’s not even *just* the immuno-suppressed kids who are put in danger by non-vaxers, but also healthy kids AND the population at large. Lovely. As if I need one more thing to bitch about. =P

ChiLaura commented on Oct 22 09 at 11:20 am

That’s my take as well jeanne, just wanted to make sure I wasn’t completely off-base in that assumption (and its why I get so vocal about those in the healthcare community who don’t do the flu shot! I can’t get the darn thing…I am not going to be happy if I spend any amount of time around healthcare folks in a hospital setting for an unrelated reason). And ChiLaura – that’s true, but I’ve actually seen a case where a small child was vaccinated and wound up with pertussis. That said, she had a very, very, very, VERY mild case of it. Could we say that she’d have had that same mild case if she’d not been vaxed? I don’t know that we can, unfortunately. We had a small multitude of cases of measles in the community I grew up in…basically a non-vaxer somehow got the disease, and managed to find a glitch/hole in the immunization schedule in many local kids (it had been administered too early, apparently). As a young tween on the receiving end of a few booster shots and (parentally common sense administered, not gov’t mandated) quarantine, I really wanted to find out who the culprit was and give his/her parents a good shake.

PlumbLucky commented on Oct 22 09 at 12:15 pm

I read this over at Slate and I’m glad to see you picking it up here- nice work.

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