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IVF Overused By Impatient Doctors, Says Expert

Posted by bethanysanders on August 14th, 2009 at 1:30 pm

dr sami david making babies IVF Overused By Impatient Doctors, Says ExpertDr. Sami David, one of the first doctors to ever perform a successful IVF procedure in New York, spoke out this week about what he sees as the overuse of the procedure.

In an interview with the Early Show, Dr. David slammed incompetent and/or impatient doctors (and patients) for rushing into IVF without first trying to discover the reason behind infertility. He tells the Early Show:

“The IVF team has gone amok as far as I’m concerned, all right? There are countless women who are going through IVF unnecessarily. They don’t realize they’re treatable causes for their infertility. They’re not having a deep enough evaluation in many cases.”

In fact, in a large chunk of infertility cases, it’s not really the woman’s problem at all, says David. Male infertility accounts for about 40 percent of infertility problems.

David accuses doctors of selling their “product” (that product being IVF) and of being far too impatient for results.  But it must be mentioned that the good doctor is also selling a product himself, a new book titled Making Babies: A Proven 3-Month Program for Maximum Fertility. According to Amazon.com, Dr. David’s proven program is a mix of Western and Chinese interventions, lifestyle changes, and alternative treatments that help women get pregnant without IVF.

Is  Dr. David being too hard on doctors?  And on couples who are trying to conceive?  After all — if you’ve been there — it’s hard to blame someone for being impatient when you can only find out if your interventions worked every 28 days (or more).  Or is his more moderate approach to infertility a breath of fresh air?  What do you think?

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There is a lot of “dicking” around — so to speak — with infertility treatment. How many women waste months or years on useless clomid IUIs because insurance companies won’t let them do IVF until they have tried all the other options. IVF works, its a fairly simple procedure, and doing it sooner probably saves everybody money and get more people the families they want.

That is not to say it should be used if there is an identified treatable condition that is causing the infertility, but in a lot of cases the cause is unknown.

The idea that IVF is some kind of horrendously invasive and extreme procedure just gives the insurance companies reason not to pay for it and probably scares some women into not doing it, when it would work for them. I don’t know how many people told me “I don’t think I would take such extreme measures to have a baby” when I was struggling with infertility. I would have undergone much more extreme measures to get my kids.

And, it seems to me that the struggle and expense that people go through for an adoption is far more than what I went through for IVF, but no one ever says “why don’t you just try IVF” when someone is trying to adopt.

DCMama commented on Aug 14 09 at 2:12 pm

When I entered the Fertility program at my hospital, one nurse practitioner seemed to be pushing IVF right away. I was so upset, because my insurance doesn’t cover IVF and we weren’t sure we’d be willing to take ourselves that far into debt. Also, I’m only 34. But the doctor we saw was great and supportive. We only had two rounds of fertility meds (one clomid, one menopur) and I was pregnant with twins, and now have two beautiful baby boys. IVF is more invasive and extreme than a round of clomid, and at $20,000 – it is a lot more expensive. Some women do not have the time to waste, and they have the money to spend, so maybe skipping to IVF is a good idea. However, for most of us, trying a few less intensive things is not a bad idea. I wasn’t ovulating, so the pills “fixed” me. I didn’t need IVF. I think for many people skipping to IVF is not the right decision.

Marj commented on Aug 14 09 at 2:40 pm

I have seen too many friends waste a lot of time, energy, and money on months of clomid and IUIs where the success rate is barely higher than regular old sex (I think at best maybe 10%?) – by the time their REs want them to move on to IVF they’re either too broke or too emotionally exhausted to continue. We were diagnosed w/ male factor infertility after 2 years of TTC – we probably should have been diagnosed much earlier but I was just seeing my OB at first and he wanted to run the gamut on me and almost had me talked into clomid et al when I finally decided to go to an RE. The RE tested my husband off the bat and after a second test to confirm the results convinced us that IVF was the best route. Our chances from IUI would have been about 2-3% but he gave us about a 50% chance with IVF/ICSI. I am so glad I listened to him – not once did I feel like he was trying to sell anything to me or push me into teh more expensive choice. In fact, he probably could have made a lot more money having me do multiple rounds of useless IUIs before getting to IVF eventually anyway. And luckily for us, it worked both times we’ve done it. I have a wonderful 2 year old son and am expecting another boy in December.

Michelle commented on Aug 14 09 at 3:18 pm

My Husband and I tried for a year before we spoke to my midwife. She suggested that he be tested before I get the series of tests to see if it was me. He was diagnosed with very low morphology and the fertility clinic suggested IVF right away. We have 4 children already and have adopted through our state foster care system so we knew that IVF wasn’t right for us. My husband stopped using the laptop on his lap, cut out all caffine and started taking Megamens multivitamin. Two months later we were pregnant. This surely isn’t the right thing for everyone but it can obviously work for some.

Maria commented on Aug 14 09 at 3:45 pm

You never know until it happens to you. It is an individual decision and the having to try to figure out what the problem is can take you down roads you don’t need to travel. I was 36 when I started trying and went through a year of trying with no success then moved on to RE that had differing opinions. I was told it was just my age when my hormone levels were fine. I took a 1 year break then at 38 ended up seeing a new RE who figured out I had scar tissue from a ruptured appendix when I was 12. I had surgery to see the extent of the damage was and found out the only way I could conceive was with IVF. I tell you this story to say if they had been more aggressive in the beginning with me I would have saved a ton of money on unnecessary procedures and herbs and alternative treatments and could have gone straight to ivf. I did 1 round of IVF and it was successful and I now have a 2 year old. I am ready to have #2 and have no hesitation about doing ivf again. I agree with the other post it was not a horrendous process and happened pretty quick. Although I know people who have had failed cycles or never got pregnant and they have a different feeling on the subject. Either way it is an individual choice and if it is something you feel you want to pursue you should. Trust your gut.

gordona commented on Aug 14 09 at 3:48 pm

Marj, If, like you, a woman is not ovulating, then she is a good candidate for clomid. But for those of us who are ovulating clomid is a waste of time. But, the money saving “can’t hurt” attitude about clomid puts many women through months of useless cycles. The attitude that you must do clomid, then clomid IUI, then injectables, then IVF takes an enormous emotional and financial cost on infertiles. IVF may be overused, but it is also underused.

Just one more problem with our health care system.

DCMama commented on Aug 14 09 at 5:16 pm

uhm…why should infertility treatments be covered at all?

tightone commented on Aug 14 09 at 7:38 pm

They should not be covered.

TolaniLucia commented on Aug 15 09 at 11:25 am

I really want to get into this, but I am NOT going to bother.

Manjari commented on Aug 16 09 at 2:45 pm

Of course infertility treatments should be covered. At least to a certain extent. With idiots having babies out there, why can’t a woman who would make a great mother, and wants to be one really badly, not get the chance? It can tear anyone apart. The urge to reproduce is biological, and there is a shortage of children available for adoption in the US (it takes at least 2 years and $60K, so before telling your friends ‘oh just adopt’, it’s not that simple.)

I am 39 and have no problem getting pregnant but have miscarried 3 times. We are going to try again, but if it doesn’t work, our main option is ivf with pdg. Unfortunately I may spend my life savings on it and still not have a child. That scares me. I live in the NYC area and wish there was a clinic that would put its money where its mouth was and give a partial refund if you try several cycles and they don’t work. (There are some programs but you have to be 38 and under.) And yes I did want children at a younger age but men don’t commit when you want them to!!!

ME commented on Aug 16 09 at 5:31 pm

I went to a RE who made us go through a bunch of tests to make sure everything was working. I can’t even imagine going to a RE and have him/her want to do something without finding out what could be wrong. IUI did work for us. And I’m glad it did. But if there are issues, IVF could and should be used. Most people who have problems covering the treatment of infertility are fertile. That would be like me saying, just because I don’t have to worry about birth control, I don’t want it covered by insurance. Walk in our shoes…and before you get into the “just adopt” debate with this adoptee, I’ll happily say, “you first.” Adoption is wonderful. It is a great option. But it isn’t for everyone. Really.

Sheri commented on Aug 16 09 at 5:38 pm

I am an ex-patient of Dr. David. He was able to uncover issues that had not been previously identified. He is thorough, caring and treats each patient as an individual. He is also honest. After about 5 months, he referred me to IVF. I have referred friends to him who have had success with him after several failed IVF attempts.

Ava commented on Aug 20 09 at 4:31 pm

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Why are people entitled to have biological children though? While I happen to be very fertile, I suffer from hyperemesis during pregnancy, and the only child I have has developmental disabilities. So I can’t necessarily have more biological children, despite my fertility. I’m not opposed to IVF being covered but I don’t think it should be a first priority of our healthcare system. I have good and expensive insurance and my child’s necessary treatments aren’t always covered, due to financial considerations. I do think our system should provide for born children before trying to help infertile women conceive. Sorry if that’s heartless.

Sarah commented on Sep 04 09 at 5:37 pm

IVF babies born from embryos that are frozen and thawed are less likely to be underweight or premature than those conceived during fresh treatment cycles, research has shown.
http://bit.ly/OGquG

Alma commented on Sep 24 09 at 5:05 pm

Dr. David does not do IVF because he is not a board certified RE. He either did not take the boards, or failed them. Either way, he is unable to do IVF and now has an agenda against it.

karen commented on Jun 03 10 at 12:06 am

the idea that it is a god given right that insurance companies cover infertility treatments is just absurd. should they also cover adoption if i can’t get pregnant through ivf??

mjk commented on Aug 03 10 at 5:35 pm

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