Ugh, she really appeals to those who have the exasperating combination of ignorance, insecurity, and rage . Unfortunately there is no point in engaging them in discourse because they are incapable of hearing another side or of thoughtful reflection.

High fives all around. Palin is entitled ignorance personified.

I would never have believed that a man who ran for cover when the bullets began to fly could beat out a man who served his country with honor. But it happened.
Hate, slander, anger, always means more to the public mind than “it’s a lie”, it’s a lie”, “it’s a lie”. Sarah Palin will be the next President of the United States if that’s all you have to say about her accusations, about those who would reserve good health care for the influencial, the money that’s sending that great patriotic group, the ‘swift boats’ crew into the town hall meetings declaring that any government run insurance program will ruin this nation. If you can’t see whatt Sara and her class of champions are doing now, then your part of the American dream will always be limited to the left overs.

From the CIA web site

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html

US ranks 50th in life expectancy. Canada ranks 8th. Most Western European Countries rank higher than the US.

If one controls for death by murder and accidents, the US is at the top of the list for life expectancy:

http://angrybear.blogspot.com/2009/07/per-capita-spending-and-life-expectancy.html

Also, check out the table on page 19 of 5 year cancer survivor statistics here (source for link above):

http://www.aei.org/docLib/20061017_OhsfeldtSchneiderPresentation.pdf

I found those statistics shocking.

Um…I don’t really want to agree with her, but I kind of have to.

Obama’s appointee, so called Science Czar John Holdren has been a vocal proponent of eugenics for years. He co-wrote Ecoscience in 1977 a “textbook” which advocates for forcibly implanting birth control devices in young girls at puberty and “allowing” them to be removed during ideal breeding times for a limited number of pregnancies. Holdren, and co-author Paul Ehrlich, also advocate mandated abortion or placement for adoption of all children conceived out of wedlock or conceived by teens, and mandatory fetal screening for DS and other “defects” with a council to decide the course of action (abortion or “allowing” the birth) once screening is complete. I scoured the net for any hint that Holdren has recanted this view–which can only be called anti-choice–and found none.

So honestly, she’s right.

Yes, we need healthcare reform, but remember–if the government controls healthcare, in 4 or 8 years it could be a “pro-life” council deciding whether you “need” that abortion, tubal or birth control prescription.

there is no provision yet. If John Holdren has stated publicly anything at all about his beliefs on gov. population control since his last academic work in 2002, I haven’t found it. Maybe you could link? I am pro-choice and feel strongly that Holdren needs to have a question-and-answer on the topic, because, I really would like to not agree with Sarah Palin

Dianna – here’s some information on the John Holdren issue which will hopefully save you from the horror of agreeing with Sarah Palin. :) John Holdren said that he doesn’t believe government should control population during his confirmation hearings. Also, his book didn’t advocate those methods of population control, it was just detailing the various methods people had advocated in the past.
http://www.scienceprogress.org/2009/07/right-wing-attacks-on-science-adviser-continue/
In any case, the Office of Science and Technology doesn’t oversee health care programs – that’s the Department of Health and Human Services.

Stop panicking. We don’t kill anyone off in Canada, elderly or disabled, so if you try to model your system after ours – well, it won’t be perfect, but it won’t be murderous either.

I was pleased to hear this statement, though, because now I understand why she quit. She couldn’t get away with being totally batsh*t insane while holding office. Now she can say whatever she likes, no matter how libelous or untrue.

Lisa — Who’s quote are you reading???

A government option does not mean all health care will be run by the government. It means that some health care will be and some won’t. This is good because it means that people who can’t get health insurance now will be able to. Like my best friend who has sciatica who gets turned down for health insurance because she has a pre-existing condition. She’s 26 years old. I myself, was without health insurance for about 10 years, and it’s left me with a paranoia about seeking care for anything. When you don’t have health insurance you tend to rationalize injuries and illnesses because you know you’ll be paying though the nose. Is it serious enough to warrant going in? I’ve not gotten care for a concussion, and for a flu episode that lasted 10 days, and included 105 degree fevers because I was afraid to seek care because I had no insurance. How much worse has it got to be for people with serious medical conditions? Talk of a “death panel” is a scare tactic to make people ignore facts and react from fear.

The reality is that the “death panel” takes the decision off the shoulders of doctors who do not want it and off the ones who abuse it. Sure a “committee” isn’t perfect but the sad fact is that doctors are left alone to make these decisions every day, and they do make the decision to commit euthanasia and because they would lose their license they are left to agonize alone and can’t seek treatment if they experience stress from these decisions.

Forcing it into the shadows also means that doctors can’t exercise their conscience. A doctor who doesn’t want to preform euthanasia himself for religious, moral, or personal reasons can’t turn patients away -because he can’t guarantee that another doctor will do this work. When abortion became legal doctors who didn’t want to preform them knew they could just say no -and not condemn women to not having access to a safe abortion.

Many doctors are suffering, commiting suicide, or leaving the profession because of breaking the law to commit euthanasia or allowing people to die in agony when they know its wrong.