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Dad Harassed for Daughters in Men’s Room

Posted by jeannesager on July 3rd, 2009 at 12:01 pm

ladiesroom Dad Harassed for Daughters in Mens RoomWho hasn’t been in this situation? Your child has to go to the bathroom, and the only one to take them is the opposite-gender parent. So which bathroom do you use?

If you’re Donovan O’Neil, you take your toddler daughters into the men’s room. After all, he’s a man. So why was he attacked by a security guard?

Because a man in the bathroom reported him to security. Over the presence of a one-year-old and a three-year-old in the men’s room. And security took the random guy’s side!

Perhaps O’Neil should have left the girls outside while he went and peed alone. Then security would have had a real concern on their hands.

I’ve found it comes down to a certain age when kids need to start using the gender-appropriate bathroom. It’s as much for the kids own comfort as anyone else’s – most thirteen-year-old girls I know would be pretty freaked having to walk into a men’s room and see them all lined up at the urinals. But for a three-year-old, there is no sexual aspect to using the bathroom. It’s a matter of “I have to go potty . . . now” and actually DOING it. And if she’s with dad, or he’s with mom, that means using the adult’s corresponding potty.

Let’s face it – most places don’t have the family bathroom, that separate extra-large room for unisex use. And when the opposite-gendered parent is present with a child, the only choice is to use the “wrong” bathroom.

Lucky for me, I have a daughter. I don’t have to worry about the stares. But just last weekend, my daughter whispered “I have to go potty” into my husband’s ear while I was in the midst of swiping my credit card. Her eyes practically swimming with tears, it was not a time to say “hold on until we get through the transaction.” But with my signature required, I had to stay where I was. And so my husband took the four-year-old girl into the men’s room. He didn’t make a big deal of it, he just did it.

There are times too when he has to use the bathroom at a restaurant, and she decides “me too,” and hops up to run off with him before I have any say. Just starting to differentiate the signs between “ladies” and “gentleman,” we’re still comfortable with that arrangement. Especially because I wouldn’t send her into a restroom alone. At four, that is not an answer.

It’s not an answer for years to come – look at the New York lawyer who dropped her daughter off on the side of the road for a moment then came back to get her. What kind of outcry did that get? And what was always brought up was the fact that this was a relatively safe and busy part of town, a business district. And what is a mall? Leaving a nine-year-old outside the mall restroom while you run in to pee is equally unsafe.

But parents are placed in a clear Catch 22 when they’re faced with adults who can’t separate the sexuality from the bodily function. O’Neil and his daughters were safe inside a stall when the security guard came pounding on the door. They weren’t out staring at men’s penises in the center of the bathroom. And if they were, so what? They are one and three!

Besides the unnecessary sexual issues, there seems to be a lack of willingness to simply work with parents. On vacation, we entered a convenience store off the highway only to find the ladies’ room was out of order. So my husband blocked the door to the men’s room while my daughter and I used it. There were only two stalls – all taken up by the three of us (she and I shared one), and still we were glared at. If I was a man, my daughter a boy, we would have filled those two stalls the same way. In essence, we were not blocking access anymore than we would have if we’d been male.

A woman over at the Berkeley Parents Network expressed concern over a rule that her seven-year-old son use the male locker room at her local pool. The women who responded told her that having her son in the room while they changed would bother them too greatly, so she needs to get over it. How about just letting a mom come in with her son after everyone else is done? I can respect that by seven, little boys are beginning to become curious, and a changing room is slightly different from a regular restroom. But you can’t criticize one parent for letting her children walk around unattended and then expect another to simply force her young child into an unfamiliar place by themselves.

What bathroom do you use with your kids?

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12 Comments

We have two girls…(5 and 3) and if he/they have to use the bathroom when they’re out, they use the mens… no way I’m sending the girls into a bathroom alone, or them waiting outside for dad to come out!

MMOOOOMMMM commented on Jul 03 09 at 2:22 pm

The article says they were at the Dept. of Social Services. It doesn’t make a difference to the story but I thought you might want to change your post.

Maria commented on Jul 03 09 at 3:26 pm

Thanks Maria – I read two different articles, one said mall, one said DSS. I made the change

jeannesager commented on Jul 03 09 at 4:25 pm

As the father of two daughters, I used to shudder at the thought of using public restrooms, because of the gender considerations, but also because I never went into a men’s restroom that was clean enough for a man, let alone for a little girl. What were the women’s restrooms like???
There were many times when I stood my girls beside the women’s restroom door until a woman came along who would escort them in. Ifelt more secure, but if the men’s restrooms seemed contaminated, I never went back because I couldn’t believe they would treat their women customers any better.

Bluster commented on Jul 04 09 at 8:37 am

lived in europe for 10 years after retiring from the military. my girlfriend’s nieces came to visit in the summer and wanted to go swimming at the local pool.girlfriend at work i was elected to take the girls of 5 and 6. it was no big deal. i was family and we had to change. i at first was a bit nervous but only because of my american upbringing. there is no issue with nudity in europe. i wonder what is in the minds of the people who seem to have such a problem. if the person who reported the incident had been thinking like a father, we would never have heard of it.

veteran88 commented on Jul 04 09 at 8:38 pm

On a note related to the weird-o sexualized child aspect of this: I went downtown with my 3 y/o son yesterday, and there’s a huge plaza with a fountain and a “water pad” for kids to run thru (I don’t know what else to call it — Millenium Park in Chicago). Anyway, my son wanted to run thru, so I took off his shirt and rolled up his shorts, as I didn’t have any swim suit for him. He has long hair, which I’d tied back in a ponytail. While I was taking off my own shoes to wade in, a security guard approached me and asked, “Is that your daughter?” I said, “That’s my son.” The guard says, “Oh, okay, we’re cool then,” and leaves. I was 2 feet from my son, so I don’t think that the guard thought that he was an abandoned child. The only thing I could think of is that the guard thought that my son was a girl and didn’t think it appropriate that “she” be running around shirtless. (Granted, I could be wrong, but this is the only thing that makes sense.) My son is sort of big for his age, but he doesn’t look any older than 4, if that, so essentially the guard was objecting to a 4 y/o girl running around without a shirt! How crazy is that?! I think that it’s sad and disgusting. If my son had been a girl, and if the guard had told me that she had to put on a shirt, I would’ve started an argument. Though maybe I would’ve lost, since it’s a public park. Anyway… so weird.

ChiLaura commented on Jul 05 09 at 10:47 pm

I’ve also had worries but at a different age, not so much when my daughter was younger, never seemed to be an issue like this, but I was divorced when my daughter was 6 and it came up several times when we were out or traveling. My daughter didn’t want to use the ladies room by herself and I wasn’t really comfortable with taking her into the mens room, but I was usually able to get her into the stall. She’s 14 and has fine by herself now for a while. But the unisex bathrooms are definitely a good thing. The security guard and other guy were morons.

Divorced father with daughter commented on Jul 16 09 at 1:23 am

It is wrong for a man to expose himself to a little girl, and it is wrong for a little girl to see a strangers you-know-what in a rest room. It is uncomfortable for me, to say the least. Leave the kids at home, or wait until the coast is clear in the men’s room.

Bob commented on Oct 02 09 at 10:55 pm

If there were no toilets or urinals that were out in the open it shouldn’t be an issue at all. I don’t understand why men are expected to whip it out with an audience and I don’t know any man that enjoys that. Just ditch the stupid urinals, and put in toilets in stalls with doors and that would be the end of that.

That being said, much like breastfeeding, you can’t generally see much when men are using urinals. They tend to keep their pants or underwear up and most of their penis is covered with their hand. They don’t generally “flash” or “show off” their penises.

mystic_eye commented on Feb 10 10 at 8:30 pm

I’m a father and i have a daughter and when ever she had to go i would take her to the mens room and let her do her stuff. She’s 10 years old today and she do all the thing by her self. But i didn’t care about other men og women for that matter looking at me as i was sick to my head… The importent thing is that she had to go…. I think people are putting way to much into it. What’s wrong letting you daughter do her thing in a male toilet or letting a boy doing he’s thing in a female toilet…. NOTHING…. some people are just sick to there heads… I’m glad that we don’t see things as bad here in Denmark as they do in America……

Henrik commented on Mar 12 10 at 10:25 pm

I just posted a comment on another post because I to am concerned on the issue of public bathrooms and opposite gender toddlers. I do not feel safe letting my 5 year old going unattended in the bathroom without grandma to make sure he is safe. This was a problem when my children were this age 20 years ago. I truly do not know why their isn’t a parent bathroom in all public places.

Valerie Wellstead commented on Jul 23 11 at 1:37 pm

I’m married and expecting my 3rd boy any day now. My other two are 5 and 2 years old. And you can be darn sure that if I have to pee or if they do I take them to the bathroom with me if their dad isn’t with me. Heck there are times when my husband goes to take my oldest potty he yells that he wants me to take him, it just depends on the mood. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with taking opposite gendered children into the bathroom as long as they aren’t watching other people go. If my son finishes going before I do he washes his hands and then waits facing the wall for me to finish, nobody says a word. I actually had a mom come in with her two boys older than mine when we were in the restroom at Wal*Mart and we just gave each other that sympathetic “i get it” smile and went on our way. Heck when I used to take my nephew out who is now 8 and big for his age he went with me to the bathroom because I wasn’t leaving him outside on the bench or letting him go alone. At 6 he got attitude and went “my mom lets me go alone” I told him I wasn’t his mother, his sister who was 9 looked at him and went “no she doesn’t now get into the bathroom”. My son does his thing and doesn’t care that he’s peeing in the women’s bathroom because to him it’s just a bathroom and he’s not allowed to go alone. In a stall yes he can have his own, but not go into the room by himself.

Megan commented on Nov 05 11 at 8:03 pm

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