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Do Successful Working Moms Get Judged More?

Posted by madeline holler on July 1st, 2009 at 2:01 pm

judgemom 300x213 Do Successful Working Moms Get Judged More?In her most recent piece, “Insult and Injury,” NY Times columnist Judith Warner writes of what she calls the “petty humiliations of motherhood” — when outsiders take it upon themselves to call out a mother on what they perceive to be less than optimal mom behavior.

One mom gets scolded for not reading the school handbook. Another, the mother of one of Warner’s daughter’s classmates, hints to the girl that Warner isn’t loving enough. Plus, obligatory excerpts from Ayelet Waldman’s Bad Mother book.

I read this column just hours after my own humiliating experience, when a librarian informed me that I didn’t have to roll my eyes behind my daughter’s back — that the girl only wanted to participate in the stacking of books on the counter. Of course I didn’t have to roll my eyes but … back in the stacks, did the librarian see the fires I was putting out back in the stacks? … wait, the point is I shouldn’t have to explain myself.

Anyway, I settled in for a nice “rah, rah” we’re-in-this-together moment with Warner and her buddies. Moms — no matter who were are or what we do — we’re behind a one-way mirror and everyone’s an eyewitness pointing fingers. So true! Except Warner doesn’t think we’re in this together. She thinks she, her buddies and other “accomplished” women are set apart.

From the NY Times:

I don’t know if accomplished women like my tablemates, or mothers like Waldman and me who have, let’s say, an unfortunate penchant for hyperbole, come in for a greater share of mommy slap-down moments. I suspect that highly successful working mothers suffer a disproportionate amount of scorn when they fail to have the time or available space on their mental hard drives to do things like memorize school handbooks or master Bundt baking.

Really? She went there? The working mom thing?

From what she writes, does she think not-so-accomplished moms (read: stay-at-home moms, part-timers, mid-level managers) memorize school handbooks while waiting for a toothpick to come out clean from yet another just-baked, delicious Bundt cake?

Let me reassure Warner that those of us outside the “highly successful working mothers” group — the mediocre to incredibly unsuccessful working-or-not moms — we’re getting it from both barrels too. Not only do we fail to live up to the mothering expectations of  librarians, school secretaries and bitchy mothers, but we also get to feel like crap among the “highly successful working mothers” who we suspect (now confirmed!) are categorizing us according to what we do (actually, what we don’t do).

Insult and injury, indeed!

While we’re at it, share your most recent “mommy slap-down moments.” That is, if you’re not too busy reviewing the new school handbook.

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Australian Mom Gives Birth to Mega-Baby | Strollerderby commented on Jul 02 09 at 2:49 pm

I can’t speak for the high-powered moms because I am a middling independent consultant. But, my impression is that Warner and her ilk are a tad bit self-absorbed and overly sensitive.

I think the school handbook thing was justified and the cake thing was not. I mean, the school has to have rules. Would she want the school handing off her kid to just anyone on any day? It’s an institution and they can’t start making random exceptions every day. The cake thing is another story. I don’t even believe that Bundt cake story. If its true, it is just ridiculous and so why be offended by some crazy person like that. I think maybe they feel bad because of things within *themselves* and then when someone makes some stupid remark, it adds to it.

Although I am very different from her, I love Ayelet Waldman and her writing (not the mommy mysteries, but her other stuff). I *do* think she and Warner are overly sensitive, though. If you are so accomplished, shouldn’t you be above being so affected by the comments of random biddies?

I can’t say I’ve had major run-ins…maybe a subtle one (http://mamameyeah.blogspot.com/2009/02/bitchy-buddhist-mom.html) but I don’t let other people’s opinions bother me (http://mamameyeah.blogspot.com/2009/06/on-mothering-and-blogging.html)

GP commented on Jul 01 09 at 2:19 pm

I think Warner’s point is that mothers who work outside the home tend to be judged more harshly by others due to the perception that they are choosing their careers over their children. For some reason, people feel more justified in “slapping down” these moms. I’m not sure why Warner chose the word “successful,” but perhaps she meant “high profile”??

And GP, I think Warner’s point is that these comments, regardless of how stupid they may be, do bother us and make us feel more guilty and defensive. Maybe we should be above being affected by a ridiculous, off-hand comment by a stranger, but most of us are not.

Upon return from my recent 6-month maternity leave, a male colleague informed me that his daughter had recently quit her job after giving birth because she “wants to be a real mom.” Ouch.

Lanie commented on Jul 01 09 at 3:03 pm

What Warner and others have to understand is that so many people run off at the mouth and don’t really mean anything by what they say. I don’t mean to diminish your feelings about what your colleague said, but I think it’s just general ignorance not really a jab at you. (I don’t know your relationship with him, but that is my guess on the surface.) Women tend to read all kinds of stuff into random ignorant comments people make. For our own sanity we need to not let it bother us. As far as working mom vs stay at home mom, people need to own their choices and be confident in them.

GP commented on Jul 01 09 at 3:20 pm

Ouch is right, Lanie. I think I would have burst into tears if I had heard that.
I am not proud of it, but I tend to take negative comments from other mothers very personally and it hurts my feelings. But after suffering a miscarriage last week, my tolerance level for passive aggressive behavior and smug comments is at an all-time low. I don’t really have it in me to be polite anymore. People need to check themselves before they wreck themselves, because in my current mental state there is a good chance that I might actually bite someone.

MomofBeans commented on Jul 01 09 at 3:22 pm

When my son was 3 months old I took a part time job. Though we had planned n my staying home full-time, I was having a hard time adjusting and my partner felt like she was missing out on time with our son since she was working so often. The perfect job came available and I jumped at the chance. I would get 15 hours a week working outside the home, and she would rearrange her work schedule to be home with our son during the 15 hours a week I was working.

My second day on the job my supervisor told me she was worried about hiring me because she would have never left her kids that young. She told me she stayed home until they were in full time school and that she was very concerned I would miss him too much and quit suddenly. It’s almost a year later and she still asks me if I miss him terribly while I’m gone or worry about being away from him. So yes, even us lowly, unaccomplished, part-time workers get judged for our choices :)

e commented on Jul 01 09 at 3:26 pm

MomofBeans, I am really sorry for your loss.

patricia commented on Jul 01 09 at 3:27 pm

Sorry to hear about the miscarriage MOB.

GP commented on Jul 01 09 at 3:38 pm

I’m too busy criticizing my own parenting to have any time leftover to judge others. I feel guilty for working, guilty for not working enough — I forgot today was crazy hair day or I won’t let my son have a Nintendo DS. I’ve got more than enough of my own stuff to deal with to worry about whether or not another mother read her handbook or is working 40+ hours. Maybe if we didn’t write or read so much about mother’s judging mothers, we could move on (yes, I read the article so I guess I’m part of the problem). If no one talked about the “mommy wars” would there be any?

Maureen commented on Jul 01 09 at 3:55 pm

MomofBeans, many condolences on your loss. Best to you.

I have nothing to add to the conversation other than that I giggled at Madeline’s rolling of eyes behind daughter’s back. I roll my eyes behind my sons’ backs quite often, but I’ve recently started to be scared that someone (or my sons!) will catch me and reprimand me. Considering Madeline’s story, it’s apparently a valid concern. Doesn’t mean I’ll stop, though. It’s my release for many an exasperating moment!

ChiLaura commented on Jul 01 09 at 4:02 pm

MomofBeans, I am also very sorry for your loss.

I think all kinds of moms suffer too much judgment, whether they do or don’t work and no matter what kind of work they do. If you are a stay at home mom, and everything isn’t spotless, people wonder why you can’t run your house perfectly. Even if you are the mom who seems to do all of that stuff beautifully, and you make beautiful baked goods, etc., there will be a group of successful mothers who deride you for being a 50′s housewife and not needing more intellectual stimulation.

I agree that it would be great if we could let these unfair judgments go without feeling hurt by them, but I think many moms are extra sensitive about our mothering. It would be so much easier and more pleasant if moms didn’t judge one another so harshly.

Manjari commented on Jul 01 09 at 5:05 pm

Lainie,
I think you are missing what this article is saying. This article is saying that Judith Warner is wrong- not about calling one group successful or not, but that working moms get more crap than other moms. ALL moms get crap, but everyone thinks they get it the worst since they can’t imagine what is happening to the other group. I am so disappointed in Warner and I am so frustrated with the self-absorbedness that allows people to award themselves the gold medal in the “I’ve got it worst” Olympics.

Patricia commented on Jul 01 09 at 5:17 pm

Momofbeans, I am so sorry. I had 2 miscarriages, and I agree that it is amazing how insensitive some people can be. From the “what did you do to cause it” remarks to people criticizing my need to take a few months off before trying again.

Madeleine, I had the same reaction to the article. I can’t say who has it worse (moms who work outside the home or stay at home moms) because, so far, I have only been a stay at home mom. However, there is no shortage of comments on either side. I keep getting asked when I’m going back to “real work”, and how can I stick to such an unfulfilling life after having an “exciting” career. What I find is that people make these comments because they are jealous and unhappy with their own situation. If someone is insulting a mom with a professional career, they are really envying her, and the same with people who insult stay at home moms. I have learned to let these remarks slide off my back.

Cali Mom commented on Jul 01 09 at 5:34 pm

My partner is a highly-successful working mother, thus making it possible for me to be a downwardly mobile underachieving mother. I have often wanted to slap Warner for having this one-definition-of-success-fits-all-feminists model. I say a world in which a butch dyke can become “successful” enough to support her femme dyke wife and their two kids a la Ward Cleaver is a far, far better world than whatever Warner would make with a wave of her magic wand.

And now for my most common mommy slap-down (always from the highly-accomplished-working-mom colleagues of my partner):

“Oh you stay HOME! I’m so impressed. I could NEVER do that! I would DIE of boredom! It would drive me simply MAD to hang out with little kids all day!”

Back-handed compliment, much?

Shannon LC Cate commented on Jul 01 09 at 6:23 pm

I’m due to have my first in a few weeks, and I already get snarky asides from my co-workers about my returning to work after maternity leave. As if a) it’s any of their business and b) I give a sh*t about their opinion anyway. I see valid points in both articles, but I have to say the most insightful commentary struk me from one of the above commentors, who asked if there would be a mommy war if we didn’t talk about it? Whe knows one way or the other. But I for one am going to make a conscious choice to be less judgemental of mothers in all situations. Not one of us knows what happened five minutes ago or yesterday or last week. A little benefit of the doubt would do us all some good.

Andrea commented on Jul 01 09 at 7:48 pm

Thanks blink! I can’t wait until my dreams come ture!

Shannon LC Cate commented on Jul 01 09 at 11:44 pm

I started getting the snark before my son was even born, and I’ve gotten it from both sides. My son was born about 4 weeks before my last semester of law school ended, so I had to be back in clas within a week of his birth. As a result, I didn’t sign up for any of the ubiquitous new-mom classes or playgroups. By the time I was finished with school and with the bar exam, my son was 4 months old, and it felt way too late to try to get involved in any of those groups, since either the babies would all be much younger or the moms would have all had 4 months of bonding time already. Since taking the bar, I’ve been a stay at home mom. I’ve therefore gotten the whole range of comments, from the “why did you even bother to have a child if you weren’t willing to drop everything to care for him” comments to the “so, when are you going to find a real job” comments. The other day, I even got criticized for exhausting myself chasing my active now 15 month old sone around, because I’m 7 months along with number two and apparently shouldn’t be “putting him at risk” by caring for my toddler (I picked up my crying toddler and then fished a toy out from under a high chair while holding him).

Every mom gets judged for everything. I’ve had total strangers criticize me for not putting socks on my son in 85 degree weather. These complaints are totally ridiculous, and most days I’ve gotten pretty good at just letting them roll off my back. However, parenting is hard and scary, and there are days where the little comments really get to me and I question myself as a mom.

I don’t think this is really an issue of moms specifically being judgemental…I get just as many comments from people without kids, regardless of age. I actually find that most parents are pretty understanding (I’ve gotten that great knowing nod from many a mom and dad). The group I’ve gotten the worst comments from are actually women whose children are long grown, as a lot of parenting wisdom has changed over the last couple of decades.

Courtney commented on Jul 02 09 at 1:17 am

Courtney—yeah, the busybody old ladies!
Man, I can’t believe some of the stuff people say. I am glad I have not encountered this crap. Ridiculous.

GP commented on Jul 02 09 at 7:30 am

Thanks, guys. This has been utterly heartbreaking. I’ve heard some pretty insensitive remarks (along the lines of “Did you do something wrong?” but overall the most disheartening thing I’ve heard is silence. Having other people acknowledge this loss means more to me than hearing the “right” words.

MomofBeans commented on Jul 02 09 at 10:01 am

Big hugs from across the internet, MomofBeans!

Manjari commented on Jul 02 09 at 10:06 am

MomofBeans, so sorry for your loss!!!

Sheri commented on Jul 06 09 at 1:14 pm

mom of beans – so sorry for your loss, can’t even imagine.

as someone who has been both a stay at home mom and working mom, i totally agree with those above who have said you get dumped on no matter which side of the fence you are on. i have an mba in finance, and speak 2 foreign languages and people look at me like i am totally crazy because i am staying home now. i worked until my first child was 2 and a half and it sucked because i missed so much of her many firsts and peaceful moments. i started staying home when i became pregnant with number 2 and that sucked too at first because i immediately missed adult conversation and having two incomes in the house. i def went thru a self-pity party that “here i was, this highly educated, qualified woman,” cutting coupons and trying to schedule play dates and wearing last season’s shoes because all of a sudden, there just wasn’t as much disposable income laying around to buy the latest, the trendiest, whatever. now i couldn’t imagine it any other way. i am the happiest i have ever been, old shoes and all. that money and the “success” described by warren is all just smoke and mirrors. what good is it going to do you in 20 years to find out that you made a ton of money and had a high profile nameplate on your desk, but realized that you missed out on what could have been the most truly rewarding time in your life, helping the children you brought into this world become good capable grown-ups.

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