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Michael Jackson, Alleged Pedophile – Another Angle

Most of the coverage of Michael Jackson’s death has been extremely positive. A thread on Buzzfeed.com called “Your Favorite Michael Jackson Memory” has dozens of comments, with most folks expressing their sadness that “the Gloved One” has passed on.
But not everyone has kind words for the self-proclaimed King of Pop. Syamala108 wrote the following:
“Fav moment was yesterday when the dog dropped dead”
The commenter doesn’t say that he/she is referring to the allegations that Jackson molested young boys. But if I had to guess what they were upset about, that would be my first choice.
As Michael Jackson aged, he became more and more controversial. His looks and behavior were increasingly bizarre, but most scandalous were the allegations of sexual abuse. I’m saying “allegations” because he was never convicted of a crime.
This doesn’t mean that nothing happened, of course. The famous Chandler case was settled out of court, and there were numerous rumors of other cash payouts to families. And that trial. Remember “Jesus Juice“? Macaulay Culkin testifying that Jackson didn’t molest him? (You can read all about it on Wikipedia if you want the full report. It’s very long.)
Is it possible that Jackson did something abusive to some of these children? Absolutely. I’m not saying it happened, or that it didn’t happen. But when people blame him, you have to consider the circumstances.
This was clearly a deeply troubled man. It’s funny to say that he was still a child (The Onion’s headline “King Of Pop Dead At 12” sums up that idea nicely), but he was in fact a 50-year-old man who thought it was a good idea to live on a ranch he called “Neverland.” That’s not even remotely the oddest aspect of his life. Bubbles the chimp, anyone? And that was back when he was only a little bit strange.
Some of his problems were likely because of his father, Joe, who by most accounts was demanding and extremely abusive. That’s not to excuse Michael if he did molest a child. But it’s worth mentioning that Joe Jackson was no saint, which is likely how he’ll be viewed at the numerous tributes that will probably happen in the coming months (such as last night’s BET Awards).
A more important fact is that Michael Jackson was not an after-school tutor or gym teacher, someone with regular unsupervised access to children. Someone had to bring them to him. Why would any parent allow their child to spend the night with a grown man that they hardly know, especially at the Neverland Ranch? With Michael Jackson? I want to be clear about this — molesting a chlid is a horrible thing to do. But in Jackson’s case, he would never have had children in his bed if someone didn’t bring them to his home and leave them there unsupervised.
Here’s the real question. Can we separate these two aspects of Michael Jackson? The entertainer and the alleged pedophile?
There are many famous and talented people who have done reprehensible things. Miles Davis was, by most accounts, a fairly bad guy and a drug addict. Woody Allen married his own stepdaughter. Emotional abuse, definitely. Probably even non-sexual physical abuse. (I can’t think of anyone off the top of my head but I’m sure there are plenty of examples.) But I can’t think of someone on the level of Michael Jackson who allegedly did something as terrible as molesting a child. (Woody Allen was accused of that but the charges didn’t stick.)
For me, I can enjoy the Jackson 5 and acknowledge the possibility that Michael Jackson may have done some terrible things later in his life. (Not to ignore “Thriller” and the rest, but I prefer the early stuff.) The abuse allegations became a big joke over the years (like the t-shirt pictured above). But if the stories were true, it’s not funny at all.
What do you think? Can we keep the two things separate? Is it hard to think about Michael Jackson the alleged child-abuser while boogying down to “Billie Jean”?
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Michael Jackson IS the Real Dad: Proof | Strollerderby commented on Jul 02 09 at 11:10 amKnitty commented on Jun 29 09 at 6:48 pmI find it easy to keep the two separate; Michael Jackson was tried by a jury of his peers and found NOT GUILTY. He isn’t even an “alleged pedophile”, he’s someone who was charged with child molestation, tried, and found not guilty. And it wasn’t any average trial, either — he was tried by a prosecutor who personally hated him and vowed to see him destroyed (hope he’s happy now.) The LA prosecutors office scoured the earth looking for a second boy (or young man, or grown man) willing to come forward and say that Jackson did something — anything! — inappropriate with him. They found no one, and fortunately the jury chose not to believe that family of con artists.
That’s the important thing right there — the jury listened to the evidence and found Jackson not guilty. On all charges. He walked out of the courtroom a free man, but sadly it seems like a lot of people in our society seem to want life to be like the plot from Atonement — if a brat accuses you of something, it’s automatically true and your life is automatically ruined.
I think Michael Jackson is guilty of a lot of things. He was guilty of trying to change his social status, his gender, his race. He was guilty of having terrible PR. He was guilty of ignoring social mores and not growing up and not knowing when to keep his mouth shout. He was guilty of being a freak and boy, did he ever pay for that crime. But the one thing that he absolutely, positively is NOT guilty of is being a child molester.
Noell commented on Jun 29 09 at 6:59 pmI was truly saddened by Michael Jackson’s death. For a moment I forgot all about the allegations of child molestation, and just thought about his music…the person he use to be. I am not fully sold on him being guilty of child molestation. I was always slightly confused as to what kind of parent would let their child spend the night at a grown man’s house who does not have kids or is not in your family. So that put the parent’s of these children into suspicion in my book. None of us will ever know the truth. So since we are not here to judge I will continue to be sad for the loss of this wonderful music man.
Shannon commented on Jun 29 09 at 7:12 pmI’m so glad someone has finally written about this! I’ve been thinking nonstop about the molestation charges since MJ died, and wondering why the only talk about him since his death has been in glowing, reverential terms. It is a tragedy to me that such an amazing, gifted performer was so obviously deeply psychologically disturbed, and pretty clearly harmed children over the years. (Note to Knitty above, and any other doubters: the esteemed journalist Maureen Orth wrote several extremely long, detailed, and heavily researched articles for Vanity Fair from the early ’90s to the mid-2000s, all of which can be found on the Vanity Fair website, and which lay out absolute scads of extremely disturbing evidence of MJ’s pedophilic tendencies. It’s impossible to read those articles and not be convinced of his very sad, horrifying sexual deviancy toward children.) Recall that, in the first case, MJ paid the family $25 million to settle the case the night before he was deposed–surely a suspicious move. And it seems clear that, being the celebrity he was, he was able to influence and/or pay off people in order to escape conviction in the 2nd trial. The VF articles make this very clear, sadly. I’m not happy to say that; I was a huge MJ fan in the 1980′s and truly think he was an outstanding, groundbreaking entertainer. But it’s almost impossible for me to separate that from his clear mental disturbance(s) and sexual abuse perpetration against children.
jeannesager commented on Jun 29 09 at 8:45 pmI’ve found that the pedophilia issue isn’t what I’ve been thinking about not because I’m convinced either way on whether he did it or not (as Knitty points out, he was found not guilty . . . but, on the other hand, as Shannon points out, an awful lot of celebs get away with things you and I couldn’t dream of . . . look at Redmond O’Neal being allowed to go to Farrah’s funeral when the average criminal doesn’t get out of prison for mom’s funeral). I wouldn’t say I even “mourn” Michael Jackson. I didn’t know the man, so how could I? But I think his omnipresence in our lives – and for most Babble writers and readers, that omnipresence in our most formative years – is why we’re sitting up and paying attention. He was the soundtrack to our childhoods, our teenage years. . . even if you didn’t like him, he was THAT big. It’s like when Reagan died. I wasn’t a fan of his presidency, but he was the president when I was a kid, it was bound to affect me.
Knitty commented on Jun 29 09 at 8:55 pmI don’t know what the esteemed Maureen Orth wrote about him, but I distinctly remember the astounding levels of media bias against Mr. Jackson before and throughout the trial. For me, it was impossible to read the long, detailed, and heavily researched book ‘The Michael Jackson Conspiracy’ by A. Jones and not be utterly convinced that he was set up, conned, and exploited. He was the perfect target, not just for greedy con artist parents (who willingly turned their children over to the care of a very odd man; Mr. Jackson didn’t kidnap them) but for the media as well. I don’t think anyone deserves accolades for pointing about that “hey, didja remember people accused him of being a molester?” when that’s pretty much all that’s been said of him for the past decade. It’s been a nice three-day respite from the constant drumbeat of “CLEARLY he was a child molester” but apparently the honeymoon purchased by his death is over. I was hoping for longer, at least out of respect to his very young, very recently bereaved children.
ChiLaura commented on Jun 29 09 at 9:04 pmI wasn’t allowed to listen to MJ growing up, and so I never got into his music. I like it now, but it’s just music and holds no sentimental value for me. Speaking as somewhat of an outsider, I absolutely cannot believe the coverage surrounding his death. Okay, so he was a musical pioneer (or something), but he was just a man, and a pretty weird one at that. When I think of MJ, I think of a man who was clearly, clearly deeply disturbed. Whether or not he molested children (I find it hard to believe that he didn’t, kind of like acquitted OJ with Nicole and Ron Goldman). The positive coverage surrounding him and his family is surreal. I think that MJ’s story is a tragic one, and I can’t imagine the demons with which the man struggled. Just my 2 cents.
Cali Mom commented on Jun 29 09 at 9:44 pmChiLaura – I think the coverage on MJ’s death is more due to his impact on culture than anything else. He was the first black artist shown on MTV. They didn’t want to show his videos at first, but his record company believed in him so much that they threatened to pull all of their videos from MTV if they did not show MJ. The amazing thing is, before this MTV had a cult following, but it was MJ and his videos that really blew MTV (and the music of our generation) out of the water.
On the criminal charges, I can’t say if I am right or wrong, but my feeling is with Knitty that he was set up. What kind of parent lets their kid stay unsupervised at someone’s house that is not a relative or friend and who has no children. I truly believe our culture’s fear of the unknown molester is way overblown, and still I would not let my kid stay with someone I didn’t know.
I also think someone who would do this could feasibly be looking for some kind of payout. He was really an obvious target.
Again, I could be wrong. (And I feel the most sorry for the children caught up in all this.)
manz commented on Jun 29 09 at 10:31 pmWhile I completely agree with the sentiment about what kind of parent lets their kid stay unsupervised at a the home of a man who is not related or a close family friend, you have to also turn it around and look at the flip side. What kind of man would go out and seek children to stay with him and share his bed? That is why so many are unable to get passed the charges and believe that he is fully innocent. As for the news coverage, I was a child of the 80s. I loved Michael Jackson’s music and have many fond memories of dancing around to him. But the news coverage is absolutely overblown and non-stop and is way too much.
Mistress_Scorpio commented on Jun 29 09 at 10:43 pmBest analysis I have read of reconciling the entertainer with his alleged actions: http://www.racialicious.com/2009/06/29/michael-jackson-is-dead/#more-2562
Bluster commented on Jun 30 09 at 8:42 amI have a firm belief that people with severe mental health problems would never live the life they have, if they had a choice. But what the hell. Why waste my compassion on some crazy guy?
Brett Singer commented on Jun 30 09 at 9:31 amI agree with almost everything here, even though some of it may seem contradictory. I can separate the accusations from the music, and I think that he was set up. I also think that *something* happened, I’m just not convinced it was what some of his accusers claimed. I do have some sympathy for Michael Jackson – see today’s Morning News http://su.pr/4BpqEN for a video of Joe Jackson promoting his new record label while giving a press conference about his dead son. At the same time, that doesn’t give anyone a free pass to do something awful to a kid – IF he did it.
Brett Singer commented on Jun 30 09 at 9:38 amAnd yes, the coverage of Jackson has been excessive. I think some of that is due to the suddenness of his death. He was also a huge star and his death wasn’t without some weirdness attached. It’s still too much but I guess I’m not surprised.
And one more thing: there was a huge media bias against him during the trial. He got angry enough to write an anti-semitic song about the DA who was prosecuting him (“Kick Me, Kike Me” – from “They Don’t Care About Us” http://su.pr/5BnS57). But I still like the Jackson 5. (CORRECTION: See below. “They Don’t Care About Us” is not about former DA Sneddon, that’s the song “D.S.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.S._(song) The lyrics in “They Don’t Care About Us” are still anti-semitic.)
Mistress_Scorpio commented on Jun 30 09 at 11:28 amReally, Brett? He wrote the song about the DA that was prosecuting him? Kindly supply the link where he stated that.
Lorac commented on Jun 30 09 at 3:19 pmThis is the question I’ve been struggling with since the moment I found out he died. How do I feel about this man? I’m grieving; I love his dance moves, I loved some of his music (although I have to say, listening to it now, it sounds dated to the 80s, and most stuff after that were ballads, which I’m not a fan of). But mostly, he was a cultural icon. I remember as a teen seeing the thriller video for the first time on tv. Michael Jackson was hugely talented, and to today, as I reminisce, I am more blown away than ever at his abilities.
That said, I also read “the smoking gun”- the court papers, the testimonies, the witnesses, the allegations…dude, this guy was so guilty of pedophelia! Even if, lets say, the mother in the 2002 (3?) trial set him up, he had a load of evidence against him in the 92 case, which he didn’t dispute, but rather settled (and made go away!). And, for those who didn’t read the court records, etc.; you make a very clear point about a grown man who chooses to invite children over and sleep with them in his bed… C’mon people! Talk about believing what you want to believe! No one wants to think of this clearly loving, victimized (I absolutely believe that he had vitiligo – I saw the evidence of that), man who trumped up his fame by doing weird things. So, I’m also left with this inner debate of “how can I love a cad of a pedophile?” I’m very torn. So, I guess you must separate the entertainer from the man. That’s the best I can come up with.
David Jennings commented on Jul 01 09 at 6:32 amI personally believe his Father molested him. A grown man does not sleep with children that are not his.(Michael) Let God be the judge since God knows. I like what Paul MCcartney said about the Beatles. We were just a band. D.J.
Brett Singer commented on Jul 01 09 at 1:48 pm@Mistress_Scorpio – my mistake. The song he (sort of) mentions Sneddon in is “D.S.” – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.S._(song)
I did read somewhere (a long time ago, pre-Internet) that the “Jew me” reference was interpreted as being about lawyers, specifically Sneddon. I do not have a link because I don’t recall where I read it.
Jack commented on Jul 02 09 at 9:44 amThe reason we’re not hearing as much about this aspect of his life is that generally, we try to recall the good things about people when they die. How many times have you been to a funeral and had people get up and speak about how awful the person was? It doesn’t happen. Let the man rest in peace and let the world remember him as the legend he was.
Melissa commented on Jul 08 09 at 11:44 amHe was praised at his best & ridiculed at his worst…..whatever the underlying truth may be of his past, it’s still not definite…One thing is for certain though…Neither you nor I were there to witness it, therefore, like a rumor it’s just that, we don’t know & have no right for passing judgement…Not to say it never happened, I just mean we will never actually know the truth except for the individuals who were there and know what happened. The man I came to know even from a distance did however, break down walls & barriers like no other from our generation…He revolutionized dance moves, trends, touched lives in ways one could never imagine, made significant contributions to thousands in need & made some of the most unique & inspiring music of all time that no one else has done so before…He was, still is & always will be THE KING OF POP & GREATEST ENTERTAINER EVER…RIP MJ, I hope you have finally found what you’ve always been looking for, whatever that may be….you surely will be missed…
jan commented on Aug 15 09 at 7:06 pmt
http://www.buttonmonkey.com/misc/maryfischer.html, floacist – michael jackson, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article/1196633
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People-v.-Jackson, http://www.whoismichael.com/insurance-pay-out.htm, http://www.newswithviews.com/Tong/dean117, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHV03txW8xc, eurweb.com/story/eur54470.cfm
http://www.independent.com/news/2009/jul/09/michael-jackson-triumph-and-tragedy/
http://elitestv.com/pub/2009/07/celebrity-scales-michael-jackson-the-wounded-messenger-star-studded-legal-commentary-for-the-celebrity-obsessed?dsq=13356568#comment-13356568
conspiracy book by aphrodite jones and redemption by geraldine hughes. The Untold Story of Neverland dvd by Larry Nimmer.
http://site2.mjeol.com/video/video-2005-mesereau-had-witnesses-ready-to-testify-against-chandler.htmlhis article is ignorant see:
the truth commented on Oct 05 09 at 3:26 amResearch the cases before passing judgment or else say you don’t know if he’s guilty or not because you don’t know the evidence. There is no evidence that Michael Jackson ever molested anyone other than the words of proven and admitted liars who couldn’t keep their lies straight under oath. If they had evidence in 1993, Sneddon would have arrested Michael Jackson and charged him with child molestation, instead the police investigation went on for more than a year and no charges were ever brought. Jackson was found not guilty in 2005 because he was NOT GUILTY. The prosecution presented NO evidence to support Gavin Arvizo’s claims that Michael Jackson molested him. Instead all the evidence, even the prosecution’s ‘evidence’ pointed to the fact that Gavin and his family were a bunch con-artists trying to pull the biggest con of their careers with the help of the mainstream media. People like to claim Michael Jackson was a pedophile based on these idiotic lines of reasoning.
1. “He’s spends time with kids instead of women, therefore he is a child molester”. If so how come all the kids he spends time with aren’t accusing him? How come all the victims that exist in your imaginations never come forward with allegations. He’s had thousands of kids at Neverland over the years, and only three accusers, all whose parents happen to be con-artists chasing after money.
2. “He paid them off so he’s guilty.” Do you know the difference between a civil case and criminal case. WTF is something as serious as child molestation doing in civil court instead of criminal court. If you think someone molested your kid you go straight to the cops, you don’t call your lawyer and file a lawsuit and then refuse to cooperate with the police once you get a settlement. Explain to me where in the settlement http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0616041jacko1.html does it say the money is contingent upon the accusers failure to cooperate with the police. It was the Chandler’s decision and theirs alone to run after taking the money. If you bother to read it (I know its to difficult for idiots) you’d notice MJ claimed he’s innocent in the settlement and accuser and his lawyers agreed to sign it. By this idiotic logic, Janet Arvizo and her children were telling the truth when they claimed that a JC Penny’s security guard beat and sexually abused her because JC Penny settled with her for more than 100,000. Please.
3. “He had money so he beat the rap.” Martha Stewart, Paris Hilton, Chris Brown, Madoff, etc. I guess did not have enough money to beat the rap. Michael Jackson’s trial was one of the most expensive trial in U.S. History. It cost taxpayers 2.7 million dollars. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Michael-Jackson-s-Trial-Costs-2-7-million-5327.shtml Sneddon had been chasing after Michael Jackson for 12 years and he still could not find any evidence or credible witnesses, despite ransacking Neverland twice with 70 police officers, setting up a hotline for alleged victims to come forward, and traveling around the world looking for victims.
4. “OJ Simpson got away with it, so Michael Jackson got away with it too.” People who think OJ is guilty can point to evidence, something that MJ haters have a hard time doing. By that same logic, Charles Manson is also innocent because some people are wrongfully convicted. Therefore, we should release all convicted criminals from prison.
5. “He sleeps with boys.” This is not illegal. If you want to use this as proof of his guilt, then at a minimum the boys he’s sleeping with have to be the ones accusing him, NOT you. This didn‘t happen in the Michael Jackson case, contrary to popular belief. Gavin Arvizo the boy accusing him in 2005 never slept in bed with Michael Jackson, according to the Martin Bashir interview and witnesses at the trial. He slept in the guest room with his family. Macaulay Culkin, Wade Robson, and Bert Lewis, all testified they slept with Jackson in the early 90s and nothing happened. Do you know better than them what happened to them? Jordie Chandler (the boy got the settlement in the early 90s) skipped the country so he wouldn’t have to testify in the 2005 case. Gee, I wonder why?
6. “There was ‘lurid’ testimony. ‘Little boys never lie’. When a child speaks we should believe them…” I can give lurid testimony about you too. I wonder if that makes it true. Here’s one of my favorites from you tube. On the witch hunt for victims Diane Diamond comes across a boy who could give ‘lurid testimony’ that Michael Jackson molested him and details of his time at Neverland. She believed him and wasted months trying to corroborate his story and even gets the police involved. Turned out this kids a liar who’d never even met Michael Jackson. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3GbPkR-ne4
If you are an intelligent person with an interest in the cases read Aphrodite Jone’s book, Geraldine Hugh’s book, and this GQ article http://www.buttonmonkey.com/misc/maryfischer.html.
If not, then quit slandering the man’s name.
shannon commented on Dec 14 09 at 10:58 pmTo the truth (above), every one who wants to support MJ’s innocence always sites the same three books or articles above, which are heavily slanted in favor of his innocence. Others who tend to believe he as guilty of inappropriate physical acts with minors will refer you to other articles and books, mostly with a slant in them as well. The best thing is to read the primary sources, court documents and affidavits, etc., to come to your own truth without bias. Either that or read all the books with all the slants, and then, via our powers of critical thinking, separate the wheat from the chaff and come to our own conclusions.
There was so much legal and PR posturing during both sets of allegations, that the truth couldn’t be more muddled. But don’t throw out your common sense. Read these things and try to forget the man was a superstar, and see how you’d feel about the actions of such a man then. (Interestingly, Jackson once said that he loved children so much because he loved their innocence and also because they loved him for him – unlike adults, we were to think – but the fact of the matter is all those boys were smitten with MJ the uber talented superstar, as much as any adult.)
I have finally decided that I actually can reconcile the incredibly talented man and cultural icon with the man that had deep emotional and psychological problems, and who at the very least had a compulsion for interacting with minor children in highly inappropriate ways. I mourn the former but I won’t forget the latter either.
cawobeth commented on Mar 23 10 at 1:25 pmThe problem here is that too many people were influenced by the perverse sensationalism my media; big media. I don’t mean tabloids. Most ppl realize by now that they make $ by printing lies & speculation. But what of mainstream media; better known these days as medialoids. The made millions off of their own millions over a few lives, not only at the expense of Michael, at the expense of integrity in news & millions of ignorant ppl who regard news as gospel. Michael is innocent for which there is so much evidence, it boggles my minds that so many ppl dare think him guilty of such allegations. too many ppl have been unfair to Michael by not seeking the truth; they pre-judged him, play the hyporcrite, too lazy to research and so wishy-washy they just sucked-up too negative “news.
kitty commented on Oct 15 10 at 7:33 pmMaureen Orth is NOT an esteemed journalist. She cited the name of a boy Michael had molested; that child went on TV and publically denied any such thing had happened. Did she then retract her statement? Nope. Her sources were also Bob Jones and Stacey Brown, two people who testified in trial that most of the garbage they spewed in their book was done because Bob needed the money.
kitty commented on Oct 15 10 at 7:38 pmThe 1993 Allegations
* Evan Chandler’s death and how the allegations began and ended with him
Most media outlets are touting Chandler as ‘the father of the boy who accused Jackson of child molestation’. Wrong. Chandler was the father who accused Jackson of molesting his son after the star refused to negotiate script-writing deals for him.
The initial allegations against Jackson were made not by Jordie Chandler but by his father Evan, in spite of Jordie’s insistence that Jackson never touched him inappropriately, a stance that the boy maintained for several months.
* Did he do it? In depth GQ article
By 1980, when their son was born, the couple’s marriage was in trouble. “One of the reasons June left Evan was because of his temper,” a family friend says. They divorced in 1985. The court awarded sole custody of the boy to his mother and ordered Chandler to pay $500 a month in child support, but a review of documents reveals that in 1993, when the Jackson scandal broke, Chandler owed his ex-wife $68,000—a debt she ultimately forgave.
* The legal statement detailing that it was his insurance who paid the Chandler’s without Michael Jackson’s control
* Image highlighting that specific section
The document also shows that the Chandlers dropped the child molestation allegations from their complaint (first through six causes were regarding molestation):
“Forthwith upon the signing of this Confidential Settlement by the Parties hereto, the Minor through his Guardian ad Litem shall dismiss, without prejudice, the first through sixth causes of action of the complaint on file in the Action, leaving only the seventh cause of action pending.”
“The Parties recognize that the Settlement Payment set forth in this paragraph 3 are in settlement of claims by Jordan Chandler, Evan Chandler and June Chandler for alleged compensatory damages for alleged personal injuries arising out of claims of negligence and not for claims of intentional or wrongful acts of sexual molestation.”
* TMez had witnesses lined up to testify that Jordie Chandler had told them that Michael had never molested him
“Now, the one you’re talking about never showed up. He’s the one who got a settlement in the early 90s. Now my understanding is that prosecutors tried to get him to show up and he wouldn’t. If he had, I had witnesses who were gonna come in and say he told them it never happened and that he would never talk to his parents again for what they made him say. It turned out he had gone to court and had legal emancipation from his parents. His mother testified and said she hadn’t talked to him in 11 years. So, you know, there was a problem there as well.”
* Geraldine Hughes is the former legal secretary to Attorney Barry Rothman, who was Evan Chandler’s lawyer at the time of the 1993 allegations against Michael Jackson: She discusses the “truth serum,” and how the first allegations came about
DK: You dispute the sodium amytal theory….you said that you were the only one because you saw something entirely different take place and by that you are meaning what you witnessed as far as this plan coming into place?
They made it look like they just happened to take the boy to the psychiatrist and that’s where he got the information, the psychiatrist got the information. Then I’m hearing the sodium thing, so I said, first you said the psychiatrist is the one that got the information and then now you’re saying, the father put him under a truth serum and I’m like, which one is it?
It’s crucial to note a few more things regarding the Sodium Amytal – first that Evan performing dental procedures and the fact that he was willing to ply his own son with a controversial drug for non medical purposes is disturbing in and of itself and secondly and most importantly, a precedent had already been set with regards to testimony under the use of the drug with The People Vs Kelly in 1975: Evan Chandler knew that his son would never be allowed to testify in court.
The court of Appeal held that the Kelly rule applied to exclude testimony of a person whose memory has been affected by a sodium amytal interview.
* Snippet of audio from the phonecall where Evan Chandler discusses how he plans to destroy Michael Jackson
* Full transcript of Evan Chandler’s telephone conversation
EVAN: “And if I go through with this, I win big-time. There’s no way I lose. I’ve checked that inside out. I will get everything I want, and they will be destroyed forever. June will lose [custody of the son]…and Michael’s career will be over.”
SCHWARTZ: “Does that help [the boy]?”
EVAN: “That’s irrelevant to me. It’s going to be bigger than all of us put together. The whole thing is going to crash down on everybody and destroy everybody in sight. It will be a massacre if I don’t get what I want.”
* Evan Chandler was bipolar and did not take his medication; the dysfunction within the family started “way before” Michael Jackson
Dimond said Chandler, who was also bipolar, did not take care of his condition.
“This family did not fall apart right after the settlement,” Gutierrez told ABCnews.com. “This family was dysfunctional way before.”
* Evan Randy Taraborrelli says Evan Chandler threatened him
“I have stories about that guy that I have never even published. He was about as inconsistent as they come. He was so determined to get me on his side, I thought he was just a tad scary. If you read my book you sort of get how I felt — feel — about him. When it came out, he called me screaming at me for not just buying his story 100%. He actually threatened me, and I thought… okay, pal, now I know who you really are.”
* The Grand Jury was disbanded as “no damaging evidence was heard,” May 2 1994
The grand jury in the Michael Jackson investigation has been disbanded, and one jury member said no damaging evidence was heard. Jackson’s attorney said he believes no criminal charges will ever be filed.
* Anthony Pellicano discusses talking to Jordie Chandler:
I said, “you don’t understand how serious this is. Your dad [Evan Chandler] is going to accuse Michael of sexual molestation. He going to say all kinds of stuff.” He [Jordie] says, “Yeah, my dad’s trying to get money.”
* Evan Chandler sued Michael for $60 million dollars in 1996 alleging breach of contract, the case was dismissed in court after four years. One of his requests? To release an album he had composed singing about his son’s sexual abuse. For further proof that his full concern was only regarding the welfare of his son he named this proposed album after himself, too.
43. As an additional direct and proximate result of Defendant Jackson’s and others’ material breach of the agreement as herein alleged, and because of the need to repair the reputation of the Plaintiff, Plaintiff seeks the equitable remedy of an order to allow him to publish and cause to be distributed to the public for sale a certain musical composition entitled “EVANstory.” This album will include such songs as: “D.A. Reprised”: “You Have No Defense (For My Love)”; “Duck Butter Blues”; “Truth”; and other songs.
* This was also when Jordie Chandler, at the age of 16, emancipated himself from his parents.
Mr. Chandler filed papers in Superior Court seeking legal emancipation from his parents. (March 28 2005: 1108 Arguments)
* According to an October 2004 FBI memo Jordie Chandler had no interest in participating in the trial and would legally fight any attempt to do so, claiming he had “done his part.” People claim this was his way of avoiding the trauma of a court case but they fail to note that he would have been willing to actively pursue a legal battle to NOT participate.
“After hearing the facts about the captioned victim, FBI officials told the California prosecutors “that a Federal case could still be pursued.” To that that end, the bureau officially opened a case and dispatched two agents to meet with Chandler at a New York City hotel in September 2004 (Chandler’s name was redacted from documents released today by the FBI). But Chandler, now 29, told investigators he “had no interest in testifying against Jackson” and “advised that he would legally fight any attempt to do so.”
* Raymond Chandler stated that Jordan Chandler was out of the country and therefore could not be subpoenaed during the court case; this was a lie, he was in Nevada
“Raymond Chandler, the uncle of the young man who received the 1993 settlement from Jackson, said in an interview on NBC’s “Today” show Monday morning that his nephew had left the country to avoid testifying because he does not wish to have his life further exposed to the public. Santa Barbara County officials spent months investigating his claims of abuse but were forced to drop the case when the boy refused to cooperate.” (March 29, 2005: Source)
Appearing chastened, Jordan’s weeping mother gave evidence for the prosecution, and he was expected to do the same. He never took the stand, however, and attempted to evade the spotlight by staying in a Nevada ski chalet, accompanied by a group of friends, including singer Sonnet Simmons (a Greek-American he had met at school).
Tracked down there, he was photographed on the slopes, wearing an apparently carefree smile and chic designer skiwear, and cruelly branded a coward in some quarters for refusing to testify.
* June Chandler took to the stand and testified she never witnessed any abuse
June Chandler testified in ’05 and made NO allegation of wrongdoing. June Chandler also didn’t recount anecdotes of Jackson with other boys. Her ex-brother-in-law Ray Chandler, who wrote the book “All That Glitters” on the subject, assured the press that she would regale the jury with such stories. None came.
* Speaking of Raymond Chandler… in 2004 he was all over the place talking about his nephew’s sexual abuse at the hands of Michael. He even published that literary work of brilliance “All That Glitters” which revealed many damaging and incriminating facts about Michael Jackson and what happened to Jordy. Except…
A week later, on September 19, 2004 Michael Jackson’s defense team subpoenaed Ray Chandler as a “custodian of documents” on the basis of which the book was written with the idea to examine them in court. The subpoena was called “Duces Tecum” which means that the subpoena requests “the evidence (documents) be brought with the person”.
Everyone would expect Ray Chandler to jump at the chance to present his documents to the jury to finally nail down the “predator” and have him imprisoned for the rest of his life, but….
… but then a strange thing happened. Instead of collecting his documents and rushing with them to court Ray Chandler first asked for a 20 days extension of the period within which he was obliged to respond to the subpoena. In the meantime he (a lawyer himself) turned to a law firm which subsequently made an objection to the subpoena, supporting their case by a whole set of arguments totaling some 70 pages – all of them to the effect that it was absolutely impossible and totally unnecessary for Ray Chandler to go to court and submit his priceless documents there.
* So it was the defence who subpoenaed him… if he had such incriminating information and was so enraged by what had happened to his nephew why weren’t the prosecution interested in him taking the stand? Why wasn’t he interested in taking the stand himself? Another mystery.
* Also of note: In the book he reveals that Evan Chandler once walked in on Michael Jackson placing his hands on Jordie Chandler’s crotch. This is interesting because in this same book Raymond reveals how abusive and violent Evan towards people such as June’s ex husband Schwartz. This goes on top of the claims by people like JRT who say Evan threatened them and we even know he physically assaulted his own son in 2006… but supposedly at this point in the story Evan quietly and calmly tip -toed out of the room and allowed Michael to continue to molest his son. He also didn’t seem concerned about calling the police. He was just happy to let his son be molested and then go on to ask Michael if he could try to produce some scripts for him. So we all know the price of what his son’s mental health was… a good movie deal…
* Why were Evan Chandler and Lily Chandler not involved in the court case? Evan Chandler seemed keen to put himself through two lawsuits in the 90s against Michael and yet he was disinterested in taking the stand against him in 2005? He claimed to have actively witnessed his son being molested and yet he wasn’t called to testify? And why has Lily Chandler never been brought up? She spent time and had as much access to Michael as Jordie. She could be seen being carried by Michael on several occasions.
* One month after Michael had been acquitted on all counts, on August 5th 2005 Jordie Chandler issued a restraining order against his father Evan Chandler after Evan attempted to kill him
“The judge found that plaintiff had proved that he and his father, the defendant, were members of the same household when defendant struck him on the head from behind with a twelve and one-half pound weight and then sprayed his eyes with mace or pepper spray and tried to choke him. The judge also found that the weight could cause serious bodily injury or death.”
* It’s a sad footnote that when Evan Chandler committed suicide in November 2009, 5 months after MJ’s passing, nobody attended his funeral. None of his children, ex-wives and family had been interested in attending.
He also seems to have been friendless, and so totally estranged from his family that, when I spoke to Raymond Chandler on Wednesday, he was waiting to hear about the funeral arrangements – unaware that his brother had already been cremated.
‘Actually, there was no one there,’ said a member of staff at the Jersey City funeral home which organised the service.
‘We were instructed that no one would want to go. It was very sad. They still haven’t decided what to do with the ashes.’
* Where is Jordie Chandler now?
* Jordie Chandler now writes musicThis is one of the songs he has written for his girlfriend, Sonnet Simmons.
2005 Court Case
* A serious run through about the facts in this case
Hi, I’m Michael Jackson, the most selective pedophile in the world. While most child molesters have hundreds of victims, I have a one boy every ten years average. The thing is, I’m only attracted to kids who have greedy, lawsuit-happy parents. Remember back in 1993? Let me refresh your memory.
Evan Chandler, the father of my first victim, demanded $20 million in return for his silence. I had every intention of paying him off eventually but I decided to let him turn me in first. I figured it would be fun to be publicly humiliated, strip searched, investigated by the police and all that other great stuff that comes along with being accused of sexual abuse. There was that little problem of going to jail but luckily for me, I came up with this brilliant plan to pay the boy not to testify (gee, what a concept! I wish I’d thought of this when Evan Chandler first tried to blackmail me). It seems, however, that there’s a typo in the settlement document because apparently it says that the boy and his family could have still testified against me in a criminal trial… WHOOPS!
* FAQ regarding the case against Michael Jackson
Taking Rothman’s advice, Chandler phoned therapist Mathis Abrams and presented him with a hypothetical situation. Dr. Abrams wrote back saying that under the circumstances, “reasonable suspicion would exist that sexual abuse may have occurred.” Abrams had never met Jackson or the boy; he was merely responding to Chandler’s hypothetical situation (presumably the sleepovers).
Using this report, Chandler tried to blackmail Jackson. He made a demand for $20 million but was turned away by the Jackson camp. Remember, if Michael Jackson had paid him at this point, the entire investigation would have been avoided.
* The media’s representation of the trial vs the reality
Daily Variety described the Jackson story as “a godsend for… media outlets, particularly cable news channels and local stations looking to pump up Nielsen numbers in the final week of the all-important November sweeps.”
Daily Variety was right. Celebrity-oriented news shows saw figures spike when the Jackson story hit. Viewing figures for Access Hollywood were up 10% on the previous week. Entertainment Tonight and Extra both achieved season best audience numbers and Celebrity Justice also enjoyed an 8% rise.
* Child welfare officers who investigated Michael in 2003 found sexual abuse charges were “unfounded”
The children’s mother told investigators that Jackson was “like a father to the children and a part of her family.” While acknowledging that her son “has slept in the same room as the entertainer,” the woman claimed “they did not share a bed. The entertainer would sleep on the floor,” according to the November 26 memo.
* Robert Newt was offered money by The Enquirer to say that Michael had molested him when they knew he hadn’t, April 7 2005 (during court case)
The contract, written as a letter, says it’s an agreement between the tabloid and the Newts for their exclusive story regarding “your relationship with and knowledge of Michael Jackson, and his sexuality, your knowledge of Michael Jackson’s sexual contact and attempts at sexual contact with Robert Newt and others.”
Mitteager expected them to sign, even though it was completely untrue and there was, in fact, no story.
He knew you were lying, I reminded Bobby Newt.
“Exactly! And he didn’t care! He was like, ‘Just say it and we’ll give you the money.’ And I was like, ‘He never touched me!” Newt said. “He was really fishing and really digging. Think about it — most people you say it to, ‘We’ll give you this money,’ even [if it's not true]. And they’d take it.”
* Gavin Arviso told his teacher that “nothing happened”, March 14 2005
Prosecutors and defense attorneys in the molestation trial of Michael Jackson have interviewed a former teacher of the alleged victim, and sources tell ABC News that the teacher claims that the accuser told him that “nothing happened” between himself and “The King of Pop.”
* The family were actually interviewed by DCFS on February 20, 2003. The family also claims this is the day that Michael Jackson started molesting their son and holding them hostage.
According to a DCFS report, when three agency representatives arrived at her boyfriend’s L.A. home for the FEBRUARY 20 interviews, the mother “immediately went over to the VCR and started to play a video” showing her older son with Jackson. The social workers watched as Jackson and the boy were seen walking through Neverland, riding on the ranch’s train, sitting on a blanket, and watching swan’s in the estate’s lake. The woman described Jackson as “like a father” to her children and said he “was an important part of [her son]‘s recovery from cancer.” In separate interviews, the three siblings also repeated the “like a father” line, with the older brother [Gavin] becoming upset when social worker Karen Walker asked if he had ever been touched inappropriately. “People think that something’s happened sexually between Michael and me,” he answered. “That’s not true.” His sister got “teary eye,” according to the DCFS report, when she defended Jackson as “so kind and loving.” The youngest boy said that trips to Neverland “make me real happy. We have fun with Michael, we all give each other nicknames. My name is Blowhole, like the fish.”
* A Vanity Fair article by Maureen Orth alleged several things regarding Michael. One was that Michael had molested a child in Japan many years ago. Matsuura, the person said to have been molested, blasted these claims on the “Abrams Report.”
The boy described in a magazine article as having been supplied by one of Jackson‘s people with three soda cans filled with wine to the point where he became sick. His father, according to the article, was so furious he immediately ended talks with Jackson about a theme park venture.
TAIBBI (on camera): How much, if any of it, is true?
MATSUURA: Absolutely zero. Besides the fact of Michael Jackson coming to Japan in ‘98 and actually giving a press conference about this theme park business, all the other allegations and statements made about his trip to Japan in ‘98 are completely false, completely false.
* Wagener discusses how Sneddon falsified evidence in the trial
“I believe Tom Sneddon should be serving time in prison. You cannot falsify evidence and then just say “oh, we lost the case.” He had that boy put his hands on the magazine in front of the Grand Jury. And the reason we know that is because the alert Tom Mesereau, the defense attorney, got the jury transcript and one of the grand juror’s said, “shouldn’t that young boy be wearing gloves?” Then, after the Grand Jury, they sent it out for finger prints analysis. So when did the boy get his finger print on the magazine, when the boy testified that he hadn’t even been at Neverland for months when the magazine was published? Yet he claimed that was the magazine Michael Jackson gave him in bed. And Tom Sneddon directed all that testimony. ”
* In 1999 Janet Arviso was involved in a court case against JC Pennys. Her son was caught shoplifting merchandise in 1998 and she then sued them, accusing them of beating her and then also adding a charge of sexual harassment.
But NBC News has obtained more than 100 pages of documents not on the public record, including defense deposition excerpts and psychiatric reports and the documents give a far more detailed version of J.C. Penney‘s case. That the psychiatrist hired by Penney‘s found the mother to be schizophrenic and delusional and severely depressed. Sad over being a nobody, she‘d said, a sad housewife getting fat, even though her own therapist found her to be anxious and depressed after the incident, but not delusional.
Penney‘s says that more than two years after the incident, the mother added on the charge that one security guard had also fondled her breasts and pelvic area for up to seven minutes. And that Penney‘s psychiatrist said she rehearsed her two sons to back up her far-fetched story in what sounded like scripted copies of her testimony that they and she had all suffered broken bones, in addition to her sexual assault. Penney‘s insist there was no evidence to back up any of the allegations.
* The lawyer for the father of Gavin stated that he believed the mother had a history of making her children lie for her.
One of those bombshells is the mother’s history of coaching her children to lie to authorities. Halpern revealed documents from an earlier LA Child Services investigation (not the one dealing with the Jackson “case”) where the children—away from the mother’s presence–first claimed that their father never hit them or their mother. At the time, they told Child services workers that their father was never violent.
When Child Services came back for a follow up interview—with the mother—the children’s stories suddenly changed. They alleged all kinds of abuse towards them and their mother; the sister at one point claiming her father broke her tailbone, although it’s unclear if any medical records were provided as proof of this.
* Behind the scenes footage of the Arviso family defending Michael Jackson, they later claimed everything they had to say was scripted and that this interview was coerced and that they were being held hostage at this point. Amusingly enough, none of this interview was ever used so MJ held them hostage for nothing.
Janet: You know how Bashir zoomed in on them holding hands? Do the same thing here. Because that’s what a mother does with a son or a father does with a son, you know? And they tried to make it out to be something wrong and dirty.
Interviewer: The hand holding, how did that make you-
Janet: Oh, we’re on camera?
Interviewer: Yeah.
Gavin: We are?
Janet: Oh god! (laughing) This is the out takes of the out takes!
* During the time the family claim they were being held host, they not only went on shopping trips using Michael’s money but they also freely spoke to journalists.
Allowing your children to talk, unsupervised, with a reporter is suspicious enough. But, according the Daily News, this is an allegedly abused child by Jan 31, who apparently wasn’t so distraught and traumatized that he couldn’t go on a shopping trip with a reporter. What will the excuse be to cover up this little excursion? Will that reporter now be accused of child abduction by the family as a way to explain-away those actions?
* It has been repeatedly stated in numerous outlets and forums that Michael Jackson had child and gay pornography. This is absolutely incorrect.
82 hetero and sapphic porn magazines, 1700 heterosexual pornographic images on just one of the four hard drives in his bedroom, 8 DVDs, Dozens of Photos of Naked Women (some reported to be famous), an article on the G spot and one on the Second G-Spot.
* These are the perfectly legal art books, amongst 10,000 that he owned, that the prosecution claimed he had used in order to groom young children. Other than these books being indicative of nothing sinister unless you find photography of children playing or men dressed as Peter Pan offensive, of course, funnily enough, no child had ever claimed that Michael Jackson had ever shown or used these books with them in any way.
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* The only “gay” material he had was a photographic book about male sexuality from 1961, “Man: A Sexual Study of Man.” In amongst his 10,000 books and at least 1800 pornographic items, this was what truly got Michael Jackson off. Maybe nobody told him that more gay material had been published since then? Among the crazies who believe that hetero porn isn’t indicative of sexuality (there are penises in hetero porn and apparently this is what they’re certain MJ was attracted to; ignore how they manage to patronize and misunderstand homosexuality by suggesting such things), but imagine if this had been the other way around: at least 1800 homoerotic pornographic pieces dating to 1991, evidence of Michael asking gay porn stars to sign copies of gay magazines, articles he had cut out and kept on pleasuring other men and then in admist his 10,000 books they had found one photographic book involving heterosexual sex from 1961. I imagine his porn would suddenly be considered extremely indicative of his sexual interests then, huh?
* The FBI, who had been monitoring Michael closely for over 13 years and specifically were tracking any claims of child molestation were unable to find any type of corroborating evidence to prove and substantiate any claims of child molestation on Michael Jackson’s part.
In all of these pages, 100′s of pages, many many hours of investigation, going to the Philippines, going to Chicago, going all over the country, there’s not one scrap of evidence that Michael Jackson ever harmed a child, did anything wrong, committed any crime. It’s almost a vindication when you look at this. The FBI looked at all of these matters and said “there’s nothing here,” and I think that’s the most startling thing which I’ve seen.
* The FBI state that no evidence of child pornography or anything relating to child pornography was found.
The DA even brought in the FBI for assistance. But the Bureau’s examination of all the computers seized from Neverland found nothing in April 2004 — ten months before Jackson’s trial. They went through a bunch of computers seized at the ranch, and ran “keyword searches” through them, looking for kiddie pornography. They came up with 18 pages of nothing.
* Bob Jones published a book with editor Stacy Brown alleging that he had seen Michael behaving inappropriately with children. They were both cross examined during the case and Bob denied having witnessed anything; Stacy admitted that he had only said that for financial reasons.
8 RECROSS-EXAMINATION [of STACEY BROWN]
9 BY MR. MESEREAU:
10 Q. Mr. Brown, what I think the prosecutor just
11 elicited is the following: When he[BOB JONES] was broke, he
12 said there was licking. And when he didn’t have
13 financial problems, he said there wasn’t any, right?
14 A. Well, if that’s how you –
15 Q. Right?
16 A. — break it down, yeah, I guess.
17 MR. MESEREAU: Thank you.
18 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: No further questions.
* On June 14 2005 the jury found Michael Jackson not guilty on all 14 counts
“In 37 years [as a prosecutor], I’ve never quibbled with a jury’s verdict, and I’m not going to start today,” Sneddon said. (Legal reaction)
Asked if the acquittal ends California’s prosecution of Jackson, Sneddon replied, “No comment.”
* Gavin Arviso has since been quoted as saying, “Everyone thinks Michael Jackson sexually abused me. He never touched me.” (Although the end part is incorrect: Gavin Arviso has no gag order.)
* People often say that Michael was acquitted because of his celebrity and money, much like OJ Simpson had (ignoring the reasons why OJ was acquitted in the first place). First of all, if money and celebrity were all that was required to get out of prison, what happened with Martha Stewart? And secondly, believe it or not, the prosecution had an immense amount of manpower and money on their side: the FBI had been trailing him for child molestation for over 13 years; 70 detectives raided his house in 2003; they had 9 fingerprint experts; a website specifically dedicated to finding victims; journalists such as Diane Dimond were actively recruiting previous victims; Sneddon had personally visited several different countries trying to track down victims himself; the prosecution then also had every type of expert: graphic reconstruction, DNA, forensic, psychiatric, etc; the county of Santa Barbara was estimated to have spent $10-20 million, likely the most expensive prosecution in history.* Full List of Court documents available to download via mediafire
* Jennifer Batten counters Gene Simmon’s claims of Michael’s behaviour on the road
Simmons alleged that Jackson was on tape ordering alcohol for children and that during the star’s 2005 trial a travel agent had testified to importing Brazilian boys for Jackson’s amusement. He also claimed that a musician friend had quit a Jackson tour after seeing ‘boys coming out of the hotel rooms.’
What followed was a classic example of copy and paste journalism. Within hours the story had been duplicated by hundreds of blogs, forums and news websites from Australia to India to the USA. None of them had fact-checked the story before they re-hosted it. Jackson was never on tape ordering alcohol for children. There was never any testimony during his trial about young Brazilian boys. Both of these claims were easily disproven by trial transcripts.
* Statistics on pedophiles and child molesters.
On average, a molester with pedophilia commits 70.8 molestation acts.
The number of child victims and acts per molester depended on whether the molester targeted girls, boys or both. Those molesting only girls averaged 5.2 victims and 34.2 acts. Those molesting only boys averaged 10.7 victims and 52 acts. Those molesting both averaged 27.3 victims and 120.9 acts.
Note: Michael Jackson had access to a staggering amount of children, numbering thousands. So after extensive and exhaustive searches for these children, where are these other children he molested? What about his neices and nephews? Those were the children he had the most access to and yet they and his family have always remained steadfastly by him. But if you have any credible information I suggest you contact Sneddon or a good journalist ASAP: they’ve been waiting 20 years for your call.
* Information from the following regarding Michael:
Macauley Culkin
Jonathan Spence
Jimmy Safechuck
Frank Tyson/Cascio
Corey Feldman
Brett Barnes
Wade Robson
Evan Ross
Emmanuel Lewis
Omer Bhatti
Kidada Jones
Mark Ronson
Sean Lennon
Gotham Chopra
Aaron Carter
Ryan White
Sky Ferreira
20 of Michael’s neices and nephews including 3T (who have since repeatedly linked to Charles Thomson’s blog) and Jermaine, Jackie, Randy and Rebbie’s childrenOther kids:
Bob Good who befriended Michael in 79
David Smithee, visited Michael in 84
Anton Glanzelius, visited Michael in 87
Billy, Lana and Tamil Ramirez, stayed with Michael in 88
David Sonnet, visited Neverland in 92
Nisha Kitari, stayed at Neverland 2002
Ahmad Elatab, visited Neverland 97-2003
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