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Are bloggers “celebrities?” If so, what does that mean?
Only a few days ago, a very popular food blogger published a beautifully written post about what it’s actually like for her as a person – a real, live human being with actual feelings that can actually be hurt - to live with the not insignificant amount of negative, mean and sometimes viciously cruel “feedback” she gets online from those who for whatever reason, have decided that they don’t like her or her blog.
The post in question was written by acclaimed author and foodie Shauna James Ahern at her Gluten Free Girl blog. I can’t tell you how many times various friends of mine have recommended in the past few years that I should be reading Gluten Free Girl because they love Shauna and the writing on her blog so much. But I have to sheepishly admit that because I find that reading blogs written by women who can actually cook leaves me feeling like a total failure as a wife and mother (something that’s obviously no fault of food bloggers but clearly a manifestation of my own raging guilt about how terrible a job I do in the whole “feeding the family” part of my role as wife/mama), I had never gotten around to reading Gluten Free Girl until this week, when about 10 different friends sent me this specific post Shauna wrote about how difficult it is for her to live with the level of vitriol that often comes with being such a high profile blogger.
Given that so many different people sent me the link to this specific blog post in the same 24 hour period and urged me to read it, I stuffed my guilt to the side momentarily and clicked on over. Apparently, I wasn’t alone, in only 4 days, this post Shauna has written about the horrible things people send to her and say about her online has already garned 600-plus comments, with more piling up by the day.
The reason friends knew I’d be interested in reading Shauna’s take on this topic is that I, too live with a certain level of hatin’ directed toward me online. Although there are some reasons that the periodic public ugliness to which I am generally accustomed has been quite bit worse over the past year, it’s not new to me. I’ve been dealing with this getting slagged online pretty much as long as I’ve been publishing under my own name in the interactive space, which in my case, is a long time. I started out in the late 90s writing for online magazines like Salon before many people were even aware that there WERE online magazines, and I’ve had my personal blog up and running for about 9 years now. (In blogger-age, that’s like, a googolplex of years.)
In all that time, I’ve racked up some seriously nasty public criticism directed my way, and Shauna is spot-on. It hurts. It’s sometimes exhausting. And mostly it leaves you wondering what kind of seriously bored and unhappy person takes the time out of his or her day to generate and publish or send stuff with no clear purpose except to wound and tear down someone they’ve never even met?
Shauna’s post is gorgeously crafted, and she really helps readers who maybe haven’t experienced this themselves understand what those anonymously nasty emails and tweets and comments can do to the psyche of the person on the receiving end. For those of us who HAVE been on the receiving end, she very accurately articulates the sometimes very, very painful experience of being mocked and criticized - whether that’s via a direct message in reader-sent email or in a more public interactive space where the whole world can read it, like on another blog or on Facebook.
Of course, nobody likes being the subject of bitter meanness. Not in private. Not to our faces. Not at work or at school. Not on billboards. Not on the sides of buses. Not in the local newspaper, and not in the very public realm of social media. No human being on the planet LIKES being mocked, criticized or belittled – wherever or whenever that happens.
But when it’s public criticism or mockery, that’s extra painful to read or hear. And we all kind of know that, whether or not we have ever actually experienced being the target public mockery ourselves. The understanding that being publicly criticized is no fun is obviously one of the primary reasons why most people consciously organize their lives in a way that makes it unlikely they will ever face or deal with unpleasant jabs being made about them in a public space. Very few people are willing to put up with the ugly and unpleasant parts of being public figures in a world with 24 hour cable news on the air and Twitter on the Web, and that’s certainly one of the biggest reasons why most people do not want or choose to work or live in the public eye – whether that’s as a politician, a reality TV star, a politician-slash-reality TV star, an actor, a bylined columnist with the New York Times - or….dare I say it….as a blogger.
(I want to pause a moment here in what I’m writing to let y’all know that I am taking deep breaths as I gingerly move into what I know are veeeeery sensitive waters.)
But here’s the thing: those of us who blog publicly, under our own names, using our own photos of our own families are making a choice to do that. We have chosen to expose ourselves to the strong possibility that at some point, in some format, we will become the targets of public criticism, possibly even very nasty, painful-to-read public criticism. And as much as I am disgusted by the ways that mostly anonymous public criticism takes shape in today’s digital landscape (more about that in a moment), I think that those of us who blog publicly – and particularly those of us who make some or all of our living via our work through our personal blogs – need to take some conscious ownership of the choices we’ve made – for ourselves and yes, for our children.
Let me be VERY, VERY CLEAR before I go any further that I am not specifically or even generally referring to Gluten Free Girl’s choices for herself or her family (which are, of course, quite similar to my own choices to myself and my family with regard to blogging.) Nor am I referring specifically to any other particular blogger and the way she does or does not do her thing. Instead I am simply using Shauna Ahern’s very powerful blog post this week – one that clearly really touched a lot of people as evidenced by the huge number of comments – as a jumping off point to dig into a topic that I’ve been meaning to write about for quite some time.
While there still may be many American who have never read a blog, who truly have no idea who Ree Drummond is, and who could care less what “mommybloggers” do on the internet, the fact is that there are also a whole lotta people who DO know and care. And that means that at this point, personal bloggers - particularly those who have attracted any kind of readership - are now a type of celebrity in the classic sense of the word. And I say “a type” because an individual’s status as a celebrity can exist only within a specific audience, but that doesn’t make her celebrity any less real. For example, I wouldn’t know any of these guys if one of them came up to me and whacked me over the head with his hockey stick, but to the large number of rabid ice hockey fans in North America, Zach Parise is clearly just as much of a celebrity as Heather Armstrong is to the thousands of women who attend BlogHer every year.
And you know what? Today, more than ever before, celebrities – people who live and work in the public sphere - are gonna get garbage slung their way. We know that. We all know that. We see it with actresses and NFL stars and politicians – even local politicians – and really, with anyone who is in the public eye by choice and/or by vocation. But for some reason, maybe because our type of online-based celebrity really is so new, we personal bloggers don’t seem to have really owned this yet…this reality that if we decide to put our lives and words and names and voices and photos on a now quite popular type of media platform, we have to just expect the same kind of negatives that other types of celebrities have long known to come with the territory.
Now don’t get me wrong. I think that people who say nasty, vicious things about other people online are Not Nice, and I have a lot of specific criticism for the way those who own and operate the media today – mainstream, independent, social, on-air and online - are increasingly willing allow their own media outlets to become cesspools of garbage and hate, using some misguided ”free speech” rationale, when in fact these media brands are just happy to monetize the page views that every comment brings, no matter how vile that comment is. I have actually come full circle on the issue of anonymous online commenting in the past 2 years, as I’ve seen up close and all too personally what a negative impact it has on journalism, on truth, on civil society, and on real people who are its targets. I now strongly support the right and the responsibility of those who own, operate and profit from all the various “screens” available as media platforms today (including personal bloggers) to create accountability and guidelines around any sort of discussion forum to which they give voice. As I said in a recent Momcrunch post, our media platforms belong to us, and we have NO obligation to publish nasty, ugly, cruel, or harassing feedback from our readers in the form of comments. Delete. Delete. Delete.
But while I fully recognize that the anonymity and ease of expression offered by the internet has created a whole new level of cruelty and meanness (both quality and quantity) in the criticism directed toward ALL kinds of public figures, there is absolutely nothing new about the reality that those of us who choose to place ourselves in the public eye, and especially those who actively cultivate a certain level of celebrity, whatever our motivation for doing so, shouldn’t be surprised by the fact that with the good comes the bad. For bloggers who have become well known and well read, the good may come in the form of income paid for ads on the blog, brand-compensated sponsored posts, review products we end up keeping, or expenses-paid travel. The good for bloggers can also come in a very powerful outpouring of love and support from readers and commenters if, say, one of our children falls ill or our husband loses his job. But there is a flip side to having cultivated an audience for our blogs that drives enough page views to attract advertisers, or that has allowed our readers to become so attached to our families that they would care enough to publicly root for us when things go wrong. And that flip side can be very, very unsettling, unpleasant and in some cases, downright disturbing.
Am I saying that bloggers “ask for it” when they receive horrible emails from readers, or when someone starts a Twitter hashtag such as “bloggerXsux” and then uses it to drive a public dialogue around how ugly your child is? No. I am not. Nor am I excusing those who are unkind and heartless and bored enough to engage in that kind of behavior directed at any public figure or celebrity, whether their target is super-famous or only a little bit famous, or whether she happens to be a blogger or an actor or an MSNBC pundit. I’ve got absolutely nothing good to say about those who publish comments and tweets and Facebook status updates and blog posts of their own that are intended to wound, tear down or even destroy whatever public figure they happen to be targeting via their piggy little eyes that particular week.
But what I am saying is that we personal bloggers who put ourselves out there have to stop acting surprised by this stuff. There’s nothing remarkable about the garbage that gets directed our way once our blogs have an actual readership. Our particular niche of celebridom – minor though it may be - is not unique in what it attracts – not in quality or in quantity. Other public figures have been dealing with this long before Al Gore invented the internet so that we could start our blogs and sell ads on them. (I KID PEOPLE! I KID!!!)
Basically, my argument is that there’s nothing new under the sun when it comes to public figures and public criticism, even when the public figures are a relatively new breed, like personal bloggers. Instead of continuing to be surprised and hurt by the inevitable haters that come with the readers, maybe its time for us bloggers to own the choice we’ve made to pursue a certain level of celebrity, with all that it entails. I think that bloggers who define success as having a large and loyal audience, and who actively work to create that defined success need to be realistic when doing our own cost-benefit analyses regarding the bad stuff that WILL come along with whatever good offered by that same success.
That doesn’t mean we necessarily just passively accept being harassed or maligned or publicly criticized or whatever. For starters, when it comes to our own blogs as media platforms, we get to control the rules. And when it comes to other media platforms – the ones over which we have no control of the rules – we always have the opportunity to get in that dialogue with the haters and stand up for ourselves or push back. Sometimes I think that’s entirely appropriate, and I’ve done it. But not too often, and frankly, less and less over time do I bother.
I think that its time that we bloggers take a page out of the playbook developed by public figures within more long-established categories, like actors and politicians, athletes and even popular authors. None of these types of celebs seems particularly surprised by the fact that haters gonna hate. It’s part of the territory. They get that and they don’t really discuss it publicly that often. It’s kind of a given.
And I also think that other types of public figures – other than bloggers – seem to better understand that even within the reality that they are famous to greater or lesser degree, they can then choose their own level of exposure. For example, if the mayor of your hometown doesn’t want a photograph of her sunbathing nude to end up in the local newspaper, she knows better than to sunbathe nude in the backyard of her suburban home…or on the lawn of the courthouse. And in an example far more relevant to what we do as bloggers, there are some celebrities who actively bring their children into their public “brand,” allowing them to be photographed or interviewed, while other public figures make the choice to specifically shield their offspring from the exposure generated by their own celebrity status (contrast the way Amy Carter was in the public eye as First Daughter as opposed to the way Chelsea Clinton was carefully shielded during her time in the White House). Neither choice is necessarily right or wrong, but it is a CHOICE, not an accident.
The fact that at least some personal bloggers are now actual public figures – celebrities, if you will – with all the good and bad that the role entails is still SUCH a new concept that I think that many of us are struggling to truly accept the idea, and to authentically own all that goes along with it. But while some blogging pioneers, like Heather Armstrong did kind of blaze this path first, becoming famous along the way more by accident rather than by design, those of us who have come after can’t keep acting as if we don’t understand what we’re choosing when we tread the same path. There’s nothing accidental about most bloggers’ success any longer.
In my humble opinion, the time has come for those of us who do this blogging gig to be intellectually honest with ourselves – personally, and as a community – about these admittedly sensitive issues. The simple fact is that if we “appear” on our blogs as ourselves – as real people – then if our blog achieves any ,measure of success whatsoever, it’s these real people – us -who WILL attract some unpleasant and even crazy feedback and criticism from the public. And as much as I know I am going to get my ass kicked for saying this next thing, I’m going to do it anyway; we also have to own up in an authentic, no-excuses way to the truth that if we sell advertising on a blog that draws even part of its audience appeal (AKA: pageviews) from the cute photos of or funny stories about our kids that we publish there, we are creating a situation where some of the inevitable negativity that’s directed at public figures will come in the form of mean people saying mean things about our children. That doesn’t make it RIGHT that some pathetic loser might Tweet about our child’s haircut or weight, but the fact that it shouldn’t happen doesn’t mean it won’t.
As I said, I’ve intended to write about this topic for quite a while now, but just hadn’t found time. Consider this my first pass at it. Given the inevitable sensitivity of what I am digging into here, I am not entirely sure that I have gotten the tone and nuance of what I am trying to say exactly right. As the conversation around this blog post evolves, I am likely to offer clarifications and further explanation, especially if it turns out I haven’t quite gotten my points across in the way I intended. I may end up writing a second blog post. But I want to wrap up by reiterating that although I did use the lovely and important post written by Shauna Ahern this week as my jumping off spot for this topic, nothing I’ve written is about her or her blog.
The truth is…I mean, well, if anyone wants to know which blogger I was really thinking about as I’ve argued ehere that we need to be more intellectually honest in owning our choices, you can find that particular blogger – the woman who is the true focus of my judgy judgment and angsty deliberation RIGHT OVER HERE. (And while you’re there, don’t fail to check out how cute her kids are. Especially that baby. DANG that’s a cute baby…)
This is Katie, donning her flameproof suit before signing over and out on this one….
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23 Comments
Here's The Deal commented on Sep 02 11 at 3:38 pm1, There is always the delete button. No one ever has to publish any negative comments on their own blog.
2. Just like you (or anyone) may not like people in real life, (take for example your rabid dislike of Sarah Palin and your posting of the rumors that her daughter gave birth to Sarah’s son Trigg) that’s just the way it is.
3. You apologize too much. You sort of think that bloggers who are making money off publicizing their kids and family issues ought to just own the flak that is always going to follow. But you are too afraid of making “powerful” bloggers angry with you so you word this up with a bunch of clauses that bog the piece down.
4. You are a good writer. Just say what you think.
kgranju commented on Sep 02 11 at 3:43 pmHere’s the Deal – the piece is a bit clause-heavy, but be assured that that’s not because I am “afraid” of “powerful” bloggers angry with me. This is a sensitive topic in general. Even bloggers with only 10 readers worry whether they should or should not be posting photos of their kids. It’s a tough call. I also wanted to be sure my message didn’t end up being that bloggers are “asking for” or deserve abuse or harassment. I am trying to make a much finer, more nuanced point, and it’s not easy to articulate. So as I said at the end of my blog post, I might have to take another pass at it, as I know this first attempt might not have made my points as gracefully or cleanly as I would like.
Hope that makes sense.
Thanks for reading and for commenting.
-Katie
Stephanie commented on Sep 02 11 at 5:45 pmUmm….link goes nowhere. Or was that the point?
I’m old….my Mama taught me that if I didn’t have anything nice to say, I should just not say anything. I find that’s usually good advice- it always makes me sad when others don’t.
I don’t agree with everything bloggers post. But frankly, if my opinion will hurt more than help or add to the discussion, then it should stay off my screen.
Amy commented on Sep 02 11 at 5:54 pmKatie,
I agree that well-known bloggers can expect hurtful and hateful mail along with the supportive posts. Like any business, you can plan for what you’ll do (I made the suggestion on Gluten Free Girl that she find an intern to go through her accounts and segregate them into piles and Shauna can read what she wants). I think some bloggers who started out expressing their creativity and incidentally became well-known have been caught off guard by the variety of responses they receive. Others who started with more of a business model in mind aren’t surprised by trolls and have planned for ways to deal with them – whether publicly outing them, having an assistant make sure the negative posts are removed, or other means. I loved Dooce’s shortlived “Monetize the Hate.” That was sort of brilliant! But for everyday folks, having a social media plan that takes into account managing feedback is necessary. What do you advise your corporate clients to do? Amy
farfalla commented on Sep 02 11 at 7:13 pmKatie, I more or less agree with you except for a couple of things.
1. Bloggers’ children haven’t chosen to be famous any more than movie stars’ children have. I do not think it’s unreasonable to be very upset by negative comments about the kids of famous folk. Okay, you put yourself out there, so be prepared to hear about how you’re a crap mom. But there is no excuse for nasty comments about Henry (or any of the other kiddos).
2. Nasty criticism is far, far worse for female bloggers (especially those blogging under their own names) than for males. And this isn’t okay at all. I will make no excuses for the misogynistic and often violent comments directed at female bloggers. No matter what decisions a blogger has made in terms of public life, this should never, ever be considered “just part of the gig”.
harriet commented on Sep 02 11 at 7:35 pmKatie, you wrote some nasty things about your kids’ father in the New York Times, of all places. Spare us the innocent-blinky-eyed look. You’re worse than most of what you consider “mean” commenters in this regard.
And I’m sure you’re going to consider this “mean.” As I’ve said before, blunt truth gets is “mean” in the ditsy pink girl-world of mommybloggers. Butch it up. If you’re going to write intimately about your husband, your children, your family life–not everyone is going to be in love with you and your kids, and that’s the way it is. You’re going to piss people off.
I’m not a blogger, but I am a memoirist, and my mother is currently not speaking to me because of something I wrote about my grandmother. She flipped out about a minor detail in a piece I wrote that was admiring and kind.
That’s the way it is when you’re a writer and you write about your family. Deal with it.
cecilyk commented on Sep 02 11 at 7:45 pmI’m never surprised, exactly. But there are certainly days that I can’t take it, and I react, and I’m hurt and I lash out and tantrum about it. But 99% of the time I can. For the first seven years of my blog I NEVER deleted comments. I let them all ride, ugly as they were. But I don’t anymore. But now that I’m writing here… sigh. They’ve all hunted me down, as it were, and it’s been a bit brutal.
CS commented on Sep 02 11 at 8:34 pmLove this! I am NOT a mommy blogger, let along a famous person. But I read blogs, I like them. But one HUGE pet peeve of mine, is the whining that goes on when bloggers put themselves out there, say some stuff (what ever it may be!) and then get their panties in a wad when people disagree, criticize, or are just plain mean to them. You did it to yourself, when you hit publish!! And frankly wasn’t that the point, the attention you need for your blog?? Yes I am speaking about a specific “famous” blogger when I write this! If you don’t want it, then don’t hit publish!
Artemisia commented on Sep 02 11 at 9:38 pmI’d never heard of gluten girl, but that’s a great post. And don’t worry, Katie, I don’t cook much either.
“Nasty criticism is far, far worse for female bloggers.”
I’ll bet it is. And I’ll bet the worst is for mommy bloggers and food bloggers – writers focusing on traditionally female areas of interest.
Think about it. If you are a food or mommy blogger, most of your readers are probably also moms who cook and feel they are qualified to criticize. The ones who have the most time to surf the web may not have rich, satisfying professional lives. And so the subset that are angry and dissatisfied with their lives focus some of that resentment on bloggers who seem to be doing the same things – raising kids, cooking – but getting all kinds of recognition for it.
If you read sports articles in the local paper, they also attract a scary level of hatred for both the athletes and the sportswriters. Too many frustrated athletes and sports experts with too much time on their hands.
I don’t know what the answer is. I often get frustrated with comments after a post or article, sometimes because of the nastiness but also because half the commenters (see Harriet above) don’t even seem to have read the text in question.
Cathy McCaughan commented on Sep 03 11 at 12:52 pmBlogging is writing. Bloggers are writers. Bloggers buy their property/domain. Bloggers pay their own utilities. Bloggers build their homes/websites and fill it with their own property/words. Nobody has the right to act like an animal and fling feces on the walls of someone else’s property. If you don’t like someone’s ideas, opinions or stories, don’t read them. Go away. If you are filled with a need to prove that other person wrong, do it in your own house. If your goal is to hurt that person, you are a danger to others.
Online “magazines” that hire writers to create content need to respect and protect their employees. Allowing or encouraging vitriol will eventually make that domain toxic.
You do not “deserve” abuse. Ever. Anywhere.
Cheryl commented on Sep 03 11 at 1:14 pmI personally feel that even though “you” put stuff out there, I don’t need to be mean and just say what I want. There has been alot of times I don’t agree with what you or others write but really, do you need to be put down just because I don’t agree with you? If I can’t or will not say it to your face, I will not comment on it. Have people forgotten how to be polite today?
drhoctor2 commented on Sep 03 11 at 9:04 pmCan we please, please, stop using the word critisise to mean hate speech ? Mocking, also, in no way equates to trolling. You state that no one wants to be mocked or criticized but, in reality, many people do. I DO. I have less than no problem with being mocked as I actually possess a sense of humor and being the butt of a joke doesn’t send me screaming home to mother. As far as critisism ? I write, I paint, I sketch, I am heavily into the fine arts and were I unable to accept critisism and offer my work up for it, I’d be a stunted craftless, undisciplined artist. Where does that begin to seem healthy ?
Of course I don’t condone stupid hateful or violent threats as comments That isn’t critisism . We all know that. There is definitely a trend on the net right now among bloggers to label every less than fully laudatory comment as an attack on them. Nonsense.
I don’t read GF girl ..I got no problems w/ the gluten. I do know her credibility was questioned some time back after involving herself with a questionable , was it pork ? sponsor. As I remember I thought many of the ppl commenting against that had valid points . I have soundly criticised bloggers going on charity tours that are ineffective and serve only to enhance the bloggers image, ad revenue and fame. I make very valid points. I’m perfectly comfortable critiquing typos, or bad writing or self serving essays designed to increase page views for profit. This is as public a space as newspapers or any other sort of traditional media and I have every right to comment on opinions expressed in them. I have NEVER commented on any bloggers/columnists looks, kids, religion, dress, weight, I dunno, any non essential area to hurt them. I comment on exactly what they have said or done and advertised to ME , a reader. I’m well within my right to do so. I’m your target market, remember ? You are selling to me, you want my clicks and word of mouth.
Calling me a bully or a troll or a “hater” as a defense instead of addressing a critique ? It’s childish, unprofessional and lends itself to mockery, for sure. If you put it out there,it’s open to criticism. Own that, indeed. I get to have an opinion on your opinion. If you only want to lecture on your blog close comments all together. Mimismartypants has no comment area and is the best writer on line. If you want comments , moderate them, maturely. You might have an accident and start a real dialogue.
As for your comment, Cecily, really, you should give it a rest. Nobody has trolled any of your pieces here and I ‘ve seen maybe 2 comments that had valid critical points. You say extremely nasty mean things about celebrities, reality TV contestents and your own Mom on a regular basis on ‘Twitter so you lack credibility on this issue altogether , in my opinion. That preceding sentence was a valid criticism based on your writing and behavior. I “get” to say it because you’ve stated as fact something I know I can rebut. Is it true ? Yep ? Are you gonna like it? Nope. Is it nice ? That’s irrelevent. We are all adult women not simpering little girls who “need” to be nice above all other things.
I’ll finish with this. I can not disagree enough with the notion that bloggers are celebreties and you do yourselves a very bad turn assuming that you are.
willbecalledhaterorcyberbullyfordisagreeing commented on Sep 04 11 at 12:59 pmMy opinion is that most bloggers are insecure narcissists, which is a really bad combination. The bloggers who make it to the top of the blogging heap are those who expose EVERYTHING about themselves and their loved ones. That’s how they become so popular. People love to read that stuff. With that exposure it is inevitable that certain readers are going to start disliking you for exactly that reason. I would NEVER make personal details about myself and my family, including photos, the source of ANY of my income, because I value their privacy and would be devastated if someone said something unkind about them. However, if I did make my loved ones the source of ANY of my income, I would expect that both normal people with opinions, and crazy people, would make comments about me and them.
If you are going to put your whole life, and the lives of those you love, out there, I think you should expect that not all of the responses are going to be positive. It would be nice if readers didn’t make nasty comments, but it’s not likely to happen.
Cecily, you document your daughter’s haircut, along with photos, to the whole world. You think that’s normal. It’s not. You also post photos of yourself EVERY DAY. You think that’s normal. It’s not. You are crying out for attention but you don’t like all of the attention you get. Guess what, you can’t choose. Stop whining and cash the checks or get out of the business. Haven’t you heard that ANY PUBLICITY IS GOOD PUBLICITY? Babble has and that’s why they pay you. The more of a trainwreck you are, they more clicks they get. Simple.
cecilyk commented on Sep 04 11 at 9:22 pmDude, I didn’t even write this post. I’m not the only writer at MomCrunch. Try taking a look at the author profile, would ya?
UK commented on Sep 05 11 at 12:30 amBloggers are likely narcissists and become more so as they blog. It would be typical of a narcissist to need only affirmation and not criticism, and to take criticism to be a personal attack. (Or even personal criticism personally.)
I never have seen a blogger talk about ethics, which traditionally, recommends that criticism be used to better yourself. Criticism of all kinds. If readers do not think it is abominable that you would make money by making the sacred relationship we have with children for show OR it they think your are fat or do not like your hair: traditional ethics would say these comments should be used by you to focus on what is really you, and, as traditional ethics puts it “not borrowed.” No matter if the world hates your hair, if you have it that way for the right reasons- you should be focused on more important things.
If the world things children will be harmed by reading, later or now, the ways their mothers feel ambivalent about them- then traditional ethics would expect you to have a response you find completely satisfying- so that repeated complaints can all be answered by it. Of course, if it turns out the blogger does feel guilt about selling children’s stories (to me it seems many of them admit to this in some way or another) it might actually require you do stop the lucrative blogging business. That would be the right thing to do. There are lots of other jobs, or other writing to go into.
And a possibility is that narcissists write blogs- put provocative photos and claims up about their children- and are really baiting readers into *not* admiring it all (who really, out there, can we trust to love our children but us? Isn’t a blogger trying to get the world to know and love her children, while she knows this is not possible?) so that they can call victim. This is what you would expect a narcissist to do, as they always have to be victims.
Shannon commented on Sep 05 11 at 1:56 amDude, they were responding to your comment. On this post. That you didn’t write. About being hunted down,”as it were”. You make it simple to find you when you’re everywhere talking about your very favorite subject: The Persecution of Poor Cecily.
Here’s a tip for you, C. Write well researched articles (preferably without making all of them, always, about you, how you feel, how you look, how you process it), use spell & grammar check and stop being convinced everyone is somehow out to get you when a very small handful of people have ever been genuinely critical.
Maybe next time you consult with your psychiatrist friend rather than seeking insight into the behavior of others, you could ask why someone (you) basks and revels in the negative when, overall, your online experience has been overwhelmingly positive. Oh, right. Because as you know already, drama sells and mama needs some more (very unique and special) pink hair dye.
willbecalledhaterorbullyfordisagreeing commented on Sep 05 11 at 9:07 amCecily,
I know full well who wrote this post and I responded to her question honestly. I was responding to your comment but should have done it separately from my response to Katie. Next time I’ll be clearer so that you don’t have one more thing to add to your persucution list “THEY CRITICISE ME FOR POSTS I DIDN’T EVEN WRITE BUT COMMENT ON TO MAKE IT ALL ABOUT ME”.
UK commented on Sep 05 11 at 5:40 pmI thought of an analogy, professor gets anonymous student reviews once a semester, and on rateyourprofessor.com. The comments include referenes to appearance and all manner of things, they can be – keeping with the hysterical tone used here- “vicious.” But I have never heard them described as “vicious” because no one I know in the field has ever complained about them, and seem, to a one, to take them in stride. Something for mombloggers to aspire to, perhaps.
Yvette Scott commented on Sep 05 11 at 9:44 pmCan we please, please; stop using the word critisise to mean hate speech?
Mocking, also, in no way equates to trolling. You state that no one wants to be mocked or criticized but, in reality, many people do. I DO. I have less than no problem with being mocked as I actually possess a sense of humor and being the butt of a joke doesn’t send me screaming home to mother.Definition of MOCK
transitive verb
1: to treat with contempt or ridicule : deride
2: to disappoint the hopes of
3: defy, challenge
4a : to imitate (as a mannerism) closely : mimic b : to mimic in sport or derision
intransitive verb
: jeer, scoff
You are right. Mocking does not equate trolling. It is merely impolite.As far as critisism ? I write, I paint, I sketch, I am heavily into the fine arts and were I unable to accept critisism and offer my work up for it, I’d be a stunted craftless, undisciplined artist. Where does that begin to seem healthy ?
I cannot factually comment on your mental health although I am entitled to my opinion on it.
Of course I don’t condone stupid hateful or violent threats as comments That isn’t critisism . We all know that. There is definitely a trend on the net right now among bloggers to label every less than fully laudatory comment as an attack on them. Nonsense
I also see a trend to label attacks as attacks
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I don’t read GF girl ..I got no problems w/ the gluten. I do know her credibility was questioned some time back after involving herself with a questionable , was it pork ? sponsor. As I remember I thought many of the ppl commenting against that had valid points . I have soundly criticised bloggers going on charity tours that are ineffective and serve only to enhance the bloggers image, ad revenue and fame. I make very valid points. I’m perfectly comfortable critiquing typos, or bad writing or self serving essays designed to increase page views for profit..There is a blatant contradiction in the admittance of I don’t read the website but I thought people were making valid points about something of which I have no knowledge about. Then there is the part about being comfortable with critiquing typos or bad writing. Can we start with our own comment? .
This is as public a space as newspapers or any other sort of traditional media and I have every right to comment on opinions expressed in themFreedom is not the right to do what we want, but what we ought. Let us have faith that right makes might and in that faith let us; to the end, dare to do our duty as we understand it.-Abraham Lincoln
I have NEVER commented on any bloggers/columnists looks, kids, religion, dress, weight, I dunno, any non essential area to hurt them. I comment on exactly what they have said or done and advertised to ME , a reader. I’m well within my right to do so. I’m your target market, remember ? You are selling to me, you want my clicks and word of mouth.
No, I do not want your clicks or your word of mouth, but thank you anyway.
Calling me a bully or a troll or a “hater” as a defense instead of addressing a critique ? It’s childish, unprofessional and lends itself to mockery, for sure. If you put it out there,it’s open to criticism. Own that, indeed. I get to have an opinion on your opinion. If you only want to lecture on your blog close comments all together. Mimismartypants has no comment area and is the best writer on line. If you want comments , moderate them, maturely. You might have an accident and start a real dialogue
I get to have an opinion on your opinion of my opinion, in whatever form I choose.
Is it nice ? That’s irrelevent. We are all adult women not simpering little girls who “need” to be nice above all other things.
I can not disagree enough with the notion that bloggers are celebreties and you do yourselves a very bad turn assuming that you are.I will finish with this. Call me old fashioned but I believed my grandma when she said “There is never any excuse to be impolite.”
drhoctor2 commented on Sep 06 11 at 11:51 amYvette…it was a bit difficult to get your meaning here as your critiques were kind of lost in the cut and paste. Our definitions of being impolite seem to be vastly different. This is an op-ed article. No personal attacks were made by me. How is anything I said impolite? It’s a standard tactic to shut women up by demanding a social standard of “niceness and politeness” that has no meaning in an intellectual debate. Show me a statement where I was rude, please.
Katie is ACTUALLY being bullied and trolled over Henry’s tragic death and her fight for justice. Cecily is not. Those horrible comments are NOT criticisms or differing points of view on her articles. GFG is apparently suffering from the same attacks. I am pointing out that the use of criticism and mocking as descriptions of trolling and bullying are not helpful or correct. Your own def of mocking includes exactly the descriptions I say are not equal to trolling. I.E. scoffing, derision, etc. Mockery is humor. Biting humor perhaps, but humor none the less. Bullying, trolling, those are pyschological warfare tactics and have no place in a debate.
Precision of language is important. Critique is important. Challenging manipulative bids for pity from people positioning themselves for controversy in order to achieve page hits, $, and “celebrity ? Yeah, I think that is important.
This statement ?” I cannot factually comment on your mental health although I am entitled to my opinion on it.” Makes no sense whatsoever other than a veiled shot at my crazy ? Rather impolite, that. My mental health being questioned would be a personal attack, no ? Expressing an opinion which you can not factually defend is a poor position to take in any debate.
Abe Lincoln was a hella good debater you know, and often mocked his opponents, perhaps a better quote could have been found to dismiss my contention that I have a right to disagree with published statements. I’m sure your grandmother was a lovely person but citing her as a source seems insupportable to your arguments.
Cymric commented on Sep 06 11 at 1:10 pm>Katie is ACTUALLY being bullied and trolled over Henry’s tragic death and her fight for justice.
Where?
MoKim commented on Sep 06 11 at 5:11 pmI think of most blogs as personal editorials about someone’s life and, if I choose to comment on them, I try to stay within a boundary that any newspaper or magazine would use if my comment was published. I don’t think belittling someone’s personal appearance or viciously attacking beyond what the topic is about has any place at all. I can’t even comment on Kathy being attacked about her son because words can not describe the disgust I have.
However, I am continually surprised about how overly sensitive bloggers are not ANY criticism. The easiest thing would be to turn off all comments but then the blogger could not reap the rewards of the loving praise from their readers. You can’t have both: absolute adoration without condemnation.
There is a blogger at Babble that I began to follow on own personal blog. I found her archived blog jaw dropping-ly horrifying yet I read an abundant amount of her posts. Her blog was like a reality show you hated but watched regardless. It was schadenfreude in the worst possible sense and I don’t think it speaks highly of me that I continued to read despite my dislike for her viewpoint, grammar and lifestyle. I literally forced myself to stop reading her. Sometimes, without commenting, you can be a troll. Reading long past your personal satisfaction and interest is something you have to moderate.
Gigi commented on Sep 07 11 at 9:29 amI’m a smaller blogger and I love the discussion topic here. Yes, I agree that the more a person injects themselves and their personal stories into a public space, the less they should be surprised when they garner criticism. Some of it will be extreme and inexcusable; much of it will be the back and forth counterbalancing of opinion and ideas that makes blogs so compelling. People want dialogue.
However, when I hear bloggers start to refer to themselves as celebrities, it makes me twitchy. Not a single friend of mine who isn’t a blogger can name a “famous” blogger. They don’t read any and they don’t care. Sure, larger bloggers have their groupies or fans within the community. But I think assigning the term “celebrity” to it suggests a ( dare I say it?) arrogance that is destructive to the community at large and to the individual blogger.
I’m reminded of the reality show Survivor. Every season without fail, one or two contestants gain control of the game. Soon they’re doing interviews talking about how they’re running the show and how they plan to dominate until the end. More often than not, those contestants get turned on and voted off the show.
My point is that we might be well advised as a community to approach the space with humility. Even the smallest of bloggers get nastygrams and trolls. The more we encourage the concept that bloggers are celebrities, the more we invite in the negativity that surrounds celebrities. We are what we make ourselves and our community.
Love the discussion on this topic.
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