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Dear Know-It-All Parents: Shut the %$#@ Up

Posted by mommyfriend on January 30th, 2012 at 10:08 am

shutterstock 45316039 300x200 Dear Know It All Parents: Shut the %$#@ UpI published a post about a week ago titled Dear Know-It-All People Without Kids: Shut the %$#@ Up that got a lot of people ahem, talking.

As an equal opportunity blogger, I was all too happy to flip the coin and find out what our friends without children had to say to parents as a whole.

While I was expecting to publish an equally snarky rebuttal to parents, our childfree friends left the sarcasm at home and used this opportunity to offer up some very practical advice.

Sometimes as parents we get so caught up in our own parenting agenda that we forget that an entire world exists outside our own (guilty as charged!). So listen up parents; we can all learn a thing or five!

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There are a few places we'd rather not see your kids
If we're paying $100 for a nice romantic dinner, we'd like to eat it in a quiet atmosphere without little people jumping on the booth behind us. Is that really so much to ask?
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35 Comments

I love this description of what non-parents DO know about parenting and kids. All true and all good ideas if you ask me.

Marty Coleman, The Napkin Dad commented on Jan 30 12 at 12:23 pm

This is really good! I love seeing your flip side post, too. All good things to keep in mind as a parent myself. Thanks!

Jocelyn commented on Jan 30 12 at 1:40 pm

Thanks for the flip side.

Kate commented on Jan 30 12 at 4:52 pm

Perfect! I especially relate to the one about not asking about reproductive plans. Kinda personal, no?

Tina commented on Jan 30 12 at 4:55 pm

I prefer child-free over childless as the later sounds like it’s some beyond your control hardship.

Laggard commented on Jan 30 12 at 4:59 pm

Thank you for posting this.

Laura commented on Jan 30 12 at 5:05 pm

Can I add a small addendum? Please keep in mind that childless people have families too. I know it sounds obvious, but phrases like “I have a family to feed,” “I can’t work on [holiday]; I have a family” or “When are you starting a family?” can be frustrating. I started my family when I committed myself to my significant other, and I have lots of extended families to see on those holidays too!

tijde commented on Jan 30 12 at 6:05 pm

Love it! Well done, I totally agree with the updating fb everything your child does.. Jeeze is drives me nuts when people do that.

Bex commented on Jan 30 12 at 6:55 pm

I really appreciate this follow up. The original article was so negative and unhelpful, this is a nice antidote for how to communicate about difference in a more positive and informative way. Thanks.

KC commented on Jan 30 12 at 7:17 pm

TIJDE, I totally agree. I don’t think it is right to assume that because I don’t have children I should be married to my career. I have a dog, a boyfriend, parents, siblings, nephews, and hobbies. These are things that I like to spend time with as well! Just because I have chosen not to have children yet does not mean that I am free to become a slave to my job.

Lisa commented on Jan 30 12 at 7:21 pm

Wow. I find most of these annoying and insulting.
Probably how the “child free” felt about the other post.

Jen commented on Jan 30 12 at 7:28 pm

You know what? I’ve had 4 kids- but I get some of the most AMAZING insights from 2 of my close friends that are child-free- one by choice, and one, well, not sure why but if she feels like talking about it, I’m here! I think the fact that they are not in it gives them an objectivity most parents have lost.

goddess commented on Jan 30 12 at 7:58 pm

So. I should not be a helicopter parent but I should also OMG! WATCH MY KID!. Got it.

Also, while I agree in spirit with the “keep your sick kid at home”…um…”no one has time to get sick”. Right, but I’m supposed to stay home with my sick kid. I don’t disagree, but that seems a little catch-22 to me.

Beth commented on Jan 30 12 at 9:14 pm

I especially appreciated the tip about cherishing the family you have. I’ve been trying to get pregnant for over a year, and it’s been hard. What makes it harder is hearing all of my friends who are parents complain constantly about the day to day details of parenting. I would love to have those problems, but I haven’t been that fortunate yet. It’s not that I’m not here for my friends when they need to vent, it’s just that I wish some parents would truly appreciate the gift they’ve been given.

Andrea commented on Jan 30 12 at 11:45 pm

As stated before we prefer the term CHILDFREE not CHILDLESS. Also not everyone wants kids to stop telling me I will change my mind.

Sarah May commented on Jan 31 12 at 4:18 am

YES to the comments mentioning that just because we don’t have children doesn’t mean we don’t have a lives outside of work. I recently started teaching for a college that does a lot of adult education classes on satellite campuses all over the region. I was told, straight up, “Well, you’re not married and you don’t have children, so we’re probably going to send you out to teach a few nights a week because other professors have requested that they be allowed to remain in the immediate area due to family obligations.” Thanks, guys. Now I’m never, ever home with my cats and my boyfriend and my garden, all because I didn’t shoot out a handful of kids as soon as I hit my 20s.

WestKYGirl commented on Jan 31 12 at 10:24 am

I have two kids and one on the way and I think this article is great!

Noelle commented on Jan 31 12 at 11:17 am

While your first article was about as ridiculous as they come, this one is no better. It sounds like a backhanded apology and “whoops, let me stick my foot in my mouth real quick”. Way to try to back pedal your way out of that one, but a simple apology would’ve sounded more sincere.

JG commented on Jan 31 12 at 2:18 pm

Even as a parent I am 100% on board with leaving your darn kids at home when going to an expensive restaurant. I enjoy my $100 meal just as much as the next person, with my child with a sitter. I went to my favourite expensive restaurant ONCE with my child. We were moving away from the city and it was the day before the move. I had to eat there one last time. So we went at 4pm and were out of there before actual dinner time started.

Nolie commented on Jan 31 12 at 10:51 pm

This is offensive.

Nitin commented on Feb 01 12 at 10:32 am

Good article, and yes we (people with children) miss you too!

Robin commented on Feb 03 12 at 4:24 pm

I can’t stand both of these posts. Don’t like no it all parents/people without kids/dont like people in general…no one cares. Maybe if you didn’t air you’re entire families business all over the internet, you wouldn’t have this problem.

Sally commented on Feb 05 12 at 2:50 pm

It’d be nice if people without kids would stay home when sick too. I can’t count how many times some one dragged into work and got everyone sick. Kids or no kids, stay home if you’re sick. No one wants your germs either.

Ali commented on Feb 08 12 at 12:06 pm

#1 most places I have ever worked…including a hospital, they want you there no matter what! My daughters whom have had jobs in their teens were expected to be at work even with a fever! Also, most nurses in a hospital don’t and aren’t respected for taking off for being sick, and may be told down right NO you have to come in and work…so we have what are called “mental days’ and that is when you call in sick, you can see why!
#2 I agree that when I am out with my kids, I try to be respectful of others. I rarely get out without my children to an expensive meal so yes when I am there I don’t want to hear other kids yelling and bouncing around their seats by me. I try to take my kids to noisy restaurants where it is more acceptable to be noisy and bouncy! However I am a little more patient because I understand. My husband who is a pilot is more understanding toward children on his airplanes because of his own children…there is a big difference pre and post children!
#3. This is one of my stronger but held inside not to offend anyone…most people who “chose” not to have any children (not saying it if they aren’t able to) have always been harder for me to get along with. I think we learn a lot about life because of children, We learn tolerance, patience, compassion etc from them that I know myself would not have if it weren’t for my little ones;) with love and respect to all! Raquel

Raquel Wall commented on Feb 09 12 at 12:44 pm

Very good points. The only one I didn’t agree with is that we are happy with our childfree life. I wasn’t. For years I tried to have kids and could not. So I can’t really say I was happy, but I did the best I could.

I hate when parents just ignore any advice given by non parents. I had a lot of good advice before I had kids because I was a babysitter, raised with my mom running a home day care in our house, taught dance classes to little girls and ran dance camps and I worked in a daycare. So I actually knew more than some parents. I am really good with kids and have lots of experience. I wasn’t a know it all but I did have a lot of useful things to say.

April commented on Feb 09 12 at 12:50 pm

I am enjoying the comments WAY more than the post! I had fertility issues for 9 straight yrs. but I had a loving husband and HUGE family to spend my life with, I hated having co workers make me feel less important cuz I didn’t have kids to spend my Christmas with. And that bit about don’t hover but the very next thing, watch your kid!!! Are you kidding me?!?!! I guess this is why people grow apart. I could never be friends with someone with this mentality.

Shontell commented on Feb 09 12 at 12:57 pm

I am enjoying the comments WAY more than the post! I had fertility issues for 9 straight yrs. but I had a loving husband and HUGE family to spend my life with, I hated having co workers make me feel less important cuz I didn’t have kids to spend my Christmas with. And that bit about don’t hover but the very next thing, watch your kid!!! Are you kidding me?!?!! I guess this is why people grow apart. I could never be friends with someone with this mentality.

Shontell commented on Feb 09 12 at 12:57 pm

The biggest thing that has always got me is the people that assume I know nothing about kids just because I don’t have my own yet. Hello, it doesn’t mean I don’t have any experience at all, and I might actually know what I’m talking about. Those little suggestions might actually make your life easier if you didn’t completely disregard anything I say about children. Those who actually give me the chance are usually pleasantly surprised.

StrawBerry commented on Feb 09 12 at 1:10 pm

As a mother, I totally get this article. That’s why I do teach my kids manners and I do make watch them and make sure they’re safe. I would never take them to an expensive restaurant because I can’t afford to feed 4 people in a place like that. I do complain about my family unit sometimes because it’s hard. I also post things my kids do on Facebook because, they really are the biggest part of my life, I think they’re hilarious and I love them. And as for my non-parent friends, I miss you, too. I know my schedule isn’t as clear as it used to be, but I also wish everyone hadn’t shyed away from me once started having kids. I also understand that there are places where kids are better left with a grandparent but, this is my life now. If you want me, you get them, too.

Heather commented on Feb 09 12 at 1:31 pm

im happy with no kids!! i chose not have them. I disagree with raquel wall. Just because you have kids that atumatically you will learn those traits! and just because you dont have them dosent mean you dont have does traits either. There are a lot of abusive people out there that have kids and did not learn anything!! I have a nephew and a niece to whom i love to death and would do anything for them!! :D

Monica commented on Feb 09 12 at 1:32 pm

Well, despite all the negativity above, I appreciate this post as showing the other side of feelings. There were very true points and basically summed up my complaints about the first article. I especially agreed with the part about not screaming at your kids while we are on the phone. My sister does that ALL THE TIME!

Kerri commented on Feb 09 12 at 1:40 pm

Most of my online fallowing/fb friends are all of our family who live 12 hours away from us. They see our kids once a year, if we’re lucky. Sometimes not even that often. So, my posting about the details and little things my kids do/say is how they ‘watch’ their grandkids, nieces, cousins etc grow. My childless friends understand that they are the minority on my page, and have never once complained. Do they hate how often I post about how potty training my youngest is going? Without a doubt. But that is stuff my family really appreciate, so that is stuff that will continue to be posted.

Jessica commented on Feb 13 12 at 8:03 pm

This is a sweet post. I loved it. Especially the last one… believe me, we miss you too. As much as we adore our children adult time is absolutely necessary whether you’re a married or single parent. The best way to be a great parent is to maintain a strong sense of yourself. That’s pretty much a corner stone to all kinds of success so to all the moms out there, keep your friendships active; not just your friendships with other parents. You’ll be glad you did.

Michelle Santagate commented on Feb 17 12 at 6:42 pm

some of these are really sweet but some are obnoxious. I don’t really care what anyone thinks about me posting pics of my kids or their adventures online. Scroll past. It takes some hubris to think I should care what you think about that, I mean really! I can’t imagine telling someone what to or not to post. If I don’t like it I scroll past.

And while I understand we all want people with *manners* in restaurants, that does not exclude children. Nor does it always include adults. I do not care to listen to you blather on about your husband’s vasectomy on your cell phone while I’m dipping into my meal either.

Also, everyone needs to stop being so damn sensitive about people asking “do you have kids? do you want any? do you want more?” Unless they start making value judgements on you, it’s casual getting to know you conversation is all. Most people have kids or make a decision not to at some point, it’s something EVERYONE has gone over at some point in their head, whether to have kids, when, how many, etc. So it’s a common topic. Not EVERYONE who is asking thinks you’re some pariah if you answer you’re just not into that. So you promise to give me some good faith when I ask you, and I’ll give you some good faith when you say “REALLY?!” when I say I have four kids and assume you’re not implying I’m some irresponsible idiot or religious fundamentalist, m’kay?

wkh commented on May 18 12 at 1:31 pm

I think the part about posting all about your kids online is less about pictures and more about bodily functions. A lot of parents are so involved in their kids and diaper changing or potty training, they forget other people don’t need to know everything that comes out of your kid. If I’m scrolling fb and eating a snack, I don’t want to read about your kid pooping. It’s gross. I know it’s one of those things you get used to after having kids. But those of us without kids aren’t used to it. And frankly, we don’t care. If your kid is doing well in potty training, awesome. But I don’t need to know all the dirty details. And, WKH, you don’t realize that you aren’t the first person to ask us if we want kids. We get that question from our families, new friends, co-workers, etc all the time. You might not think it’s offensive or annoying. But to us, there are other things we are working on that are more important to us. Try asking about our jobs or friends. Also, my older sister had serious fertility problems. All those questions just made her feel defective and hurt. Think before you speak.

krisa commented on May 23 12 at 7:00 pm

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