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I really don’t understand how this legislator can’t see how this would affect grieving women who WANTED their pregnancies.

I’m pro-life, but this is just plain dumb. I support of legislation to help reduce the number of abortions and prevent pregnancy in the first place. This does neither! It just penalizes a woman for something she probably had no control over. Stupid stupid stupid! What kind of morons do they elect in Georgia?

Seriously? I can’t even begin to wrap my brain around this one, and it’s very hard not to engage in ad hominem attacks or very brutal ill wishing about things like penises rotting off, so I will repost this ridiculousness and walk away.

What a douche bag. This reminds me of WHY I moved out of the south. Stupid idiots are everywhere.

Are you freaking kidding me!!! Do these MEN not have anything better to do?? Really, look at your fucking economy, not at your womens miscarriages!!
Glad I live in Canada.

I’m 100% pro-life (anti-abortion) in every situation but this doesn’t make a lick of sense to me! All this is going to do is deter scared women from seeking medical attention after a miscarriage. Doesn’t the burden of guilt always lay on the accused, anyway?! Not to mention that, really, if you want to force a miscarriage, it’s extremely difficult, thereby making it extremely unlikely. And what if it was an accident: Like, if mom at a huge pile of fresh ginger snaps, and really had no clue that their cookiety-goodness could send her into labor at 4 weeks?!
And the money. OH the money!!!! Can you imagine the full-force of this law? The magnitude of the enforcement? It would single-handedly solve the unemployment problem in GA. How on Earth could any state fund this?! When, as the article says, 1 in 5 pregnancies end in miscarriage, for every four children you see, one was lost before birth quite by reason of nature, the number of investigations is staggering.
And where, in all of this, is the mandate requiring doctors to figure out the impossible on behalf of these women?

Looks like the Good Idea Fairy has struck again! It sounds like this bill was not very well thought out. For instance, up to 1 in 5 pregnancies end in miscarriage…….so has Mr Franklin found the funding to “investigate” 20% of GA’s pregnant population? I had no idea the GA economy was doing so well.

This is absolutely retarded…this seems to be just another ploy for some stupid representative to make a name for themselves. Whoever lives in GA needs to make sure this idiot is kicked out of office or at least not re-elected. What would you do about the women that found out they were pregnant when they had the miscarriage? Or the ones that did everything right and it still happened? Just another example of why our country in is in the fucking shitter because we have dumbass politicians that care more about boosting their name than doing the fucking job they were elected to do.

This is the most insane thing I have EVER read. My first miscarriage was after I heard the heartbeat and was the worst day of my entire life. I can’t imagine someone doing an investigation on something that I didn’t cause to happen. I was doing everything right! My second miscarriage almost gave me cancer. How about you investigate that. A baby that was precancer cells and never had or would have had a heartbeat… yeah go ahead and charge me for that!

Hmmm, would I have needed to gather the bits of my baby out of the toilet the day that I miscarried? Would they have needed to interview my parents, who were totally freaked out when they found out, later, that I’d miscarried while visiting them on vacation? Maybe a visit to my husband, who was so sad that he wasn’t there with me as I suffered the loss. How about a chat with my then-1-year-old? Maybe she could have shed some light on the situation.

And what about the many women who miscarry and don’t seek medical attention for it? Sad as it is, miscarriage is a natural process, and doesn’t necessarily require medical care.

I understand that he wants to lessen infant deaths but this is ridiculous…I have had 3 miscarriages…2 in the second trimester, but to ask the parents to have a fetal death certificate? and then asking friends and family…I know that I would not want that because it would hurt my family, friends and myself even more than it already has…after a miscarriage especially those who really wanted the child should be able to have privacy…I wanted my kids so for police to be nosy…that would make any grieving mother upset…and the grieving process harder…this guys is a total idiot!

This sure is an example of “small government.” Can’t get much smaller than a woman’s uterus. I cannot for the life of me wrap my brain around this. This is just INSANITY, plain and simple.

Why? Why why why why why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sick. Ectopic Pregnancy is no exception. SICK SICK SICK SICK. That is just plain DUMB!!!

I can see what they are trying to do..As I am pro-life myself, but I have so many friends that have had miscarages, and just had a baby 6months ago. If my daughter had died before she was born, and I had people investigating me…that would hurt, and make an already tough situation very difficult. But I am all for making it as miserable and as awful of an experiance as possible for anyone who purposely does careless actions to try cause an spontainious miscarraige, or for those who choose abortion because they cant be responsible for their actions. . . sorry for any misspelt words. I have a teething daughter trying to eat my hand as I type. :0)

The lady with the teething baby is a retard. Ur pro life, ok cool, that’s ur rite as an American to live ur life the way u want to live it. In America we have freedom of speech n freedom of religion, etc… I wake up n serve my country every morning to ensure my children have the same rights throughout their lives n I hope that they help preserve the rights of their children n so on. U don’t believe in abortion. Ok. That’s u, n ur life choices, ur beliefs. I’m pro choice. That’s wut being an American is all about… The freedom of choice. U might not have the same opinions I do n i’m sure plenty of people don’t share my opinions. But it’s my right to decide for my self wut I feel is rite. How can u say oh I had a miscarrage n it was horriable n people investigating it would have made my life hell n then in the same breath say but people that try to cause a misscarrage or people that get an abortion r wrong n they deserve it??? That is just completely stupid. I normally don’t comment on stiff like this because as an American living in America I believe that every person has a rite to their opinion. N I fight for them to have the freedom to state it out loud in any forum. But this last comment enraged me. U r a woman with a previous history of misscarrage n u have one living child. U say u don’t believe in abortion for any reason or circumstance, n u say basiccally that u think they should mAke life a living hell for women who go that route or purposely try To misscarry because they aren’t responsible or don’t wanna fess up to the result of their poor actions or. Decisions. Say wit u please n it’s ur rite. However I felt totally appauled n repulsed at ur comment n think that maybe u should think before u type something to the masses. If u had read any of the posts before IRS ud know the general concencious on the subject matter n ud know that ur comment was not only the only one agreeing with this proposed legislature but also the only one that contradicted itself. Don’t u think that when I woman that’s not ready to start a family finds out she’s pregnant is instantly in enough mental pain n confusion about having an unplanned pregnancy let alone a woman who is torn n broken after she has made the decision to terminate the pregnancywhich is totally within her rite to do not only because she’s a citizen but because it’s her body n her life that’s gunna be changed forever reguardless if she keeps it, adopts it out or snorts it. It’s a mental scare that lasts a life time n no one should have to have an investigation n have their personal freedoms on trial . If u don’t want women to have the rite to choose then u might as well say no one has the rite to free speech or the rite to practice wutever religion they choose. N if u don’t like the fact that we have these freedoms maybe u should move somewhere where they tell u wut to do n how to feel n wut to believe n how u should live ur life. Go take ur closeminded anti American views with u n please for gods sake I hope u have boys because god forbid she gets knocked up at 12-13 n her immature body can’t handle a pregnancy, or one day she’s married n decides to have a baby n it’s a non viable fetus which they need to terminate… Should she get interviewed n investigated for her decisions???

Sorry for the spelling n the weird words my phone was censoring my conversation I guess, n I have to addmit that I did misread her comment thinking she had had a misscarrage. She did say that many of her friends had had them so that is a correction on my end. It was suppose to say ” leave a mental scar…” not mental scare. Stupid phone.

This is unquestionably the single most misguided piece of attempted legislation ever proposed. Are this neanderthal’s constituents too blind to demand his ouster on the grounds that he is simply too stupid to hold office? For the record, in case you wonder, I am pro life. And I am pro choice. That’s not really a contradiction. I believe life is something to be treasured and I would hate to see anyone close to me abort a child. At the same time reproduction is the most intimately personal of individual rights, and as such is simply outside government authority to regulate. I personally have no idea whether the notion of self induced miscarriage has any merit whatsoever, but I’m absolutely sure that creating a massive, unimaginably intrusive bureaucracy to “investigate” is utterly asinine.

What are they going to do about the men that beat their wives/girlfriends and cause a miscarriage? Would they arrest the men that so readily beat the women they inpregnanted that the system won’t do anything about to begin with until its gone too far? Or are they going to blame the woman for staying in that situation when they are afraid for their lives and that of their children/unborn child? What about prescriptions that are supposedly safe for pregnant women? There aren’t exactly pregnant women lining up for drug trials so its pretty much just wait and see. I am diabetic, and after an unplanned pregnancy and miscarriage my dr changed my meds because “it just hasn’t been around long enough to know for sure”. So what are they going to do with the women who have medical issues like diabetes and have issues keeping their condition under control? Persecute them because they had a craving for chocolate ice cream and gave in? I really hope that there are enough women in politics and men with common sense to stop this absurdity before it goes any further.

And who, pray tell, is going to be in charge of these “investigations?” Where is their salary going to come from? Who is going to fund this? Does this guy really think a handful of people are going to be able to troll the state all day, investigating every single “mysterious” miscarriage? Even if this did pass (which I don’t think it will) the process of getting the info about the miscarriage, sending it someone who would turn around and decide if it warrants an investigation or not, then sending out a person to investigate, who in turn has to find this person and their family and friend’s contact information, and coordinate times to meet or call everyone, seems like a total nightmare. Is Georgia so over run by abortions and suspicious miscarriages that they would seriously consider putting tax dollars in to a program like this?

Because I guess miscarrying isn’t traumatic and painful enough until you’ve added the possibility of felony charges to it? Not to mention the number of fertilized eggs that end up in sanitary napkins or tampons each month.

This man has NO IDEA how pregnancies work, does he? I guess it’s time to start sending used tampons to a politician again.

This makes me so angry I want to file suit against this JA for defamation of character. I had FIVE miscarriages, went through all kinds of invasive testing trying to figure out why my body could not carry a pregnancy past 8 weeks (which was even more mystifying after I carried to full-term in my first pregnancy) and spent 5 years in therapy trying to come to terms with the grief and anger over my body’s betrayal. My last pregnancy I was self-injecting daily with heparin, taking aspirin and extra progesterone in an attempt to foster the pregnancy. And at 8 weeks and 6 days, my body failed me again. The doctors don’t know why. They NEVER could give me an answer. This ass needs a good punch in the mouth. HOW DARE HE QUESTION ME! I wanted another baby more than I can ever express. HOW DARE HE QUESTION GOD!

This is appalling and offensive. I’ve struggled with a three year quest to get pregnant. Four “chemical pregnancies”, as they are called ending in miscarriage. If someone had come to “invesitagte” me after each failure, I tink I’d be in jail for having assaulted an officer of the law. If it isn’t enough that you cannot carry to term, then someone coming into my home and asking questions about the most heated issue in our house would tip me over the edge. So profoundly appalling. And to the woman bitching about how she can’t type her pro-life idiocy because her teething baby is bothering her, I say, “I would trade you.” Don’t be smug about your privelege to be a parent and don’t judge others for their inability to be one. Your stance offends me almost as much as the legislator. Horrific, judgy and narrow-minded.

Pro-lifers: this is the logical endpoint of your political views. Sucks when someone starts accusing you, though, doesn’t it?

In any case, this and all the other assaults on women’s reproductive freedom are horrifying. Women are human, and we don’t stop losing our right to self-determination when we conceive. Why do we have to keep asserting that fact over and over again?

After my second child, I had a miscarriage. It was really a devastating ordeal to go through. I was surrounded by depression, not knowing how I would maintain in order to continue on. If anyone had come to me at that time, trying to figure out why I lost my baby, it would have taken me into a deeper state of depression. This Franklin person is obviously a person with no heart. How can you determine whether my termination of pregnancy was willful or natural? Even the doctors don’t know why these things happen. And, for you to say you would investigate the friends and family is just plain absurd!!!!!!!!!!!!! The people you would send out to “investigate” this knows nothing about that individual. You are just a stupid as stupid goes!! Whoever voted you into office was just as stupid. Leave the grieving women alone. What happened in that woman’s body (mine) is none of your business. And if you’re kept in office it will be a shame before God and man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In order to issue a fetal death certificate, wouldn’t there have to be a fetal life certificate? Will that be issued to us at our first visit at the doctors? This whole idea is just plain nuts – as is this man.

I have had 2 miscarriages and they were incredibly difficult. The first was after I suffered a heat stroke. Not heat exhaustion, but heat stroke. My body temp was up to 113 degrees. Amazing I survived. But, my baby didn’t. Did I kill my baby? It felt to me like I did. I had to learn to accept it as an accident – like a car accident. So, what if your baby dies during an accident – and the accident was to determined to be your fault – are you charged with homicide? The other miscariage happened – I guess – the day of the ultrasound. The first ultrasound had a heartbeat and gave us a due date. The second ultrasound showed the baby to be the exact age as that day – but no heart beat. Maybe I went in wanting to get rid of my baby? No one knows why it happened, all I know was I could barely breath or walk out of there I was so devastated.

This man is just a nut case. Google him and see his list of nutty ideas he’s proposed. I’m not worried about this passing. It would have to take a lot of nut jobs to pass it. And, when doctors can’t tell you why a fetus spontaneuosly aborts, no one can.

This guy is an absolute moron!!!! Women suffer through miscarriages every minute of every day!!!! The last thing they need is for someone to “investigate” them. Some women miscarry due to the fact they are beaten by their boyfriends or husbands, will those men go to jail for causing the miscarriage????? I highly doubt it!!!!!! I hope this guy is not married, and if he is, I hope his wife never miscarries. Thank god I don’t live in Georgia!!! I would hate for him to represent my state!!!!!

You really should be paying attention to what the GOP/TP is trying to do across the nation. They are attempting to roll back environmental laws that protect the air and water quality along with denying global warming. Throw in the creationists who think Adam and Eve frolicked with dinosaurs and this all out attack on women’s productive rights. They are even attempting to redefine the term rape to limit a woman’s options on that reprehensible act. They want us to be stupid and attack each other (gays, Unions, etc) as they do the work of selling us out to the corporations and religious right. They are not small government nor are they patriots. They are fascists who want to tell us all how to live. When the head of the Tea Party Express can make the statement that “only property owners should be allowed to vote” and gets away with it, it’s time to stand up and call out these jackals

Almost every woman in my extended famly miscarried their first pregnancy. Some didn;t even realize they were pregnant until the pain, or the first trip to the OB with no heartbeat. I had a pregnancy test at the local free clinic, and was over the moon at the prospect of a child. At my first prenatal checkup, there was no heartbeat, though I was estimated to be at 12 weeks. As a diabetic, I now know that without careful blood sugar monitoring, I cannot hope to successfully carry a child, but I did it right the second time, and now my little preemie (born at 32.5 weeks, 4.5 pounds) is 15 and amazing. Would I be considered a felon because I dodn’t control my blood sugar all through my reproductive years? Ignorance, I’ve been told, is no excuse.

Did anyone posting here actually take the time to read the bill or is this pure liberal blasting because of of the way this BS “article” was written. I read the bill and it is outstanding legislation. I may move to Georgia now…. at least SOMEONE in government has their head on straight and understands what the MURDER of an unborn child really is. For those that didn’t take the time to investigate the facts (almost ALL liberals) nothing in there about “Uterus Police to investigate miscarriages”.

Read`the bill and judge for it’s merit, not because some moron wrote a BS article that is not even remotely close to the truth.

BTW, it was no “attack” on Planned Parenthood….. it was finally a smart move by the government.

@Danielle625

Roe v Wade was the worst example of ruling from the bench in our nation’s history. If the woman want to commit murder, then she can suffer the penalty for it. Modern medicine now can show unequivocal proof of a human life, which, granted, was not as substantial when the SC made their faulty decision. Look around the nation, sweeping reform is on the way. ND passed their law last week, another 6 coming up in the next month. People now recognize the facts, the free reign murder of innocent unborn children is coming to and end very quickly. PERIOD

@Bunnytwenty
How on earth could you possibly misconstrue my statement to think I despise women? I love women, I love children, I love most all law abiding contributing members of society regardless of gender, race, or religious affiliation. How can you not think it is right for people to be responsible for their own actions? What is so difficult about that to understand? How can someones desire to not be responsible justify murder? “I don’t feel like having a kid yet, I will just kill it”…. that is OK??? It only happens ONE WAY…. that is your CHOICE then….if a pregnancy occurs, well, now it is time to be responsible for you actions, no run out and commit murder because that is more convenient.
To try and be clear for you, just like I said, if you want to murder an innocent baby then you should suffer the penalty. No, not jail, murder is a capital crime, execution is the only proper penalty. No, it can not be retroactive because we were forced to live with flawed misinterpretations of law, so you can’t go back on it.
When abortions are illegal again, and they will be soon, if someone dies in a back ally… that is the CHOICE they made. You see, I am all about choice, just not innocent murder.

@American Citizen
You don’t know much about the law or biology, do you?
Thanks for proving ignorance abounds.

Wait a minute! I thought all those conservatives and teapartiers are for limited government intrusion and elected the GOP to make sure to limit the size and scope of government on our personal freedoms. I guess all that does not matter if you are a pregnant woman! Hypocrites!

@ American Citizen…
I’m wanting to make 100% sure that I understand your position beyond a shadow of a doubt….
You’re saying that because a woman, knowingly or unknowingly “commits murder” of her unborn child, whether that child really had a chance at life or not, she should be murdered in retribution?

So, with that particular line of thinking anyone who may have participated in the “murder”, knowingly or unknowingly, should also be given a death sentence…

And here I thought PRO-LIFE actually was considered FOR the continuation of life and AGAINST a death sentence.

Some women who have made the choice to have an abortion did so because they did not feel like they would be able to care for that child…of course you argue they have the choice to put the child up for adoption…in fact many have..for every abortion performed there is an average of one child put up for adoption.

But, as an ARROGANT, murder for “murder” constituent, how many of these children who have been put up for adoption have you taken in and adopted? Do you not realize that there is an average of 100,000 newborns put up for adoption in this country EVERY year? There are also another 2-300,000 older children in THIS country on adoption waiting lists, living in group homes, foster homes, and on the streets. In ANY given year in just THIS COUNTRY, THE UNITED STATES, there is an average of 250,000 (or 1/4 million) children waiting to be adopted, the majority of whom will never be adopted, never learn social skills, likely never have a chance at a decent education, therefore only continuing their life as a non-contributing, welfare/social security collecting ‘burden’ on society. Simply because some ASSWIPE DICTATED that they had a right to be brought into this world, but no one has the responsibility to make sure that the life they live is one of quality.

Do you also not realize that the average death sentence trial costs taxpayers well over 2 million dollars, EACH, and that does not include a trial that is appealed? So…for the 100,000 or so abortions performed in this country each year you’re looking at a cost of, at minimum, $200BILLION dollars. Then most executions do not take place for a minimum of 15 years after the sentence, and the prison system has to guarantee that anyone living in the prison is given quality medical care, in addition to general necessities…therefore, in addition to taking each of these 100,000 women to trial for a death sentence, each year, you’re looking at another few BILLION dollars being used just to build new jails. Then you have to hire more prison guards..etc etc etc…this country can’t even afford to keep up with what they have in place right now. You SERIOUSLY think this country can afford to spend an average of half a TRILLION dollars, EVERY year, just to prevent about a million dollars worth of abortions each year? An abortion rate that continues to drop since the development of better and safer birth control methods?

Planned Parenthood was established and backed by the Federal government in the 90s. In 1990 this country reported almost 200,000 abortions a year…we’re down to just over 100,000.

To further negate your ‘murder for murder’ ideals…lets say that my child is immuno-compromised, therefore she is unable to receive childhood vaccinations…IDIOTS like yourself CHOOSE NOT to vaccinate your child because some quack and some rag mag celebrity said it was bad for your child. Your ‘healthy’ child gets sick with whooping cough, you take him out into public, and come in contact with me…I in turn go home to my child, and your disease infested child’s germs transfer not only to myself, but also to my immuno-compromised child. Who is then at fault for murdering my child? Me, the loving parent who unknowingly brought home a disease that killed my child in the end? Your child because they’re the one carrying the disease, spreading it to anyone and everyone? Or you, the ignorant fool who MADE THE CHOICE to put your child at risk of contracting a deadly disease?

Life is about making choices. You have the choice to spew your ignorance for all the world to see…the rest of us are choosing to call you out on it. Grow up and use some common sense! What’s good for the goose becomes good for the gander…they all roast nicely.

Perhaps if Georgia is experiencing such a budget surplus that they are prepared to spend money investigating natural (albeit unfortunate) bodily functions, they could spend that money on investigating other bodily functions too – like diagnosing and treating illnesses in children, mothers, fathers, and general people in need of health care.

If you’re willing to spend tax dollars to try to prosecute miscarriage, why not instead spend the money to attempt to avoid at least the miscarriages caused by poor nutrition and health care.

How hypocritical of the Repugs to try to de-fund health care then spend money to prosecute women who experience devastating reproductive health problems.

I live in Olympia, Washington. I just found out that Planned Parenthood lost their funding! There are many ignorant, and shady people in government to prevent reproductive health from being a priority. What is worse? A woman gets a felony charge for having a miscarraige? THEY DON’T KNOW A THING ABOUT HEALTH OR PREGNANCY, to be introducing something so stupid. Without planned parenthood, when some southern chauvinist man rapes a woman, instead of going to planned parenthood to deal with the consequences he left her with, she can coat hanger or drink herself into a miscarraige and go to jail… Because she got raped, and didn’t want a rape baby. WOW! All for more money in their pockets. Ignorance is bliss… I guess. SICK PEOPLE!

Lines 114 through 120 state, ” ‘Prenatal murder’ means the intentional removal of a fetus from a woman with an intention other than to produce a live birth or to remove a dead fetus; provided, however, that if a physician makes a medically justified effort to save the lives of both the mother and the fetus and the fetus does not survive, such action shall not be prenatal murder. Such term does not include a naturally occurring expulsion of a fetus known medically as a ‘spontaneous abortion’ and popularly as a ‘miscarriage’ so long as there is no human involvement whatsoever in the causation of such event.”

Then we reach lines 199 through 214 and find this: “A report of spontaneous fetal death for each spontaneous fetal death which occurs in this state shall be filed with the local registrar of the county in which the delivery occurred within 72 hours after such delivery in accordance with this Code section unless the place of fetal death is unknown, in which case a fetal death certificate shall be filed in the county in which the dead fetus was found within 72 hours after such occurrence. All induced terminations of pregnancy shall be reported in the manner prescribed in Code Section 31-10-19. Preparation and filing of reports of spontaneous fetal death shall be as follows: (1) When a dead fetus is delivered in an institution, the person in charge of the institution or that person’s designated representative shall prepare and file the report; (2) When a dead fetus is delivered outside an institution, the physician in attendance at or immediately after delivery shall prepare and file the report; (3) When a spontaneous fetal death required to be reported by this Code section occurs without medical attendance at or immediately after the delivery or when inquiry is required by Article 2 of Chapter 16 of Title 45, the ‘Georgia Death Investigation Act,’ the proper investigating official shall investigate the cause of fetal death and shall prepare and file the report within 30 days.”

Further, lines 226 through 233 state, “Every person in charge of an institution shall keep a record of personal data concerning each person admitted or confined to such institution. This record shall include such information as required for the certificates of birth and death and the reports of spontaneous fetal death and induced termination of pregnancy required by this chapter. The record shall be made at the time of admission from information provided by the person being admitted or confined but, when it cannot be so obtained, the information shall be obtained from relatives or other persons acquainted with the facts. The name and address of the person providing the information shall be a part of the record.”

Wonderful. So if you miscarry, not only would you have to prove it was “spontaneous”, but your name would be part of a record. So if your name pops up more than once, do they come after you twice as hard? Ridiculous.

As someone who hasn’t researched this issue, I cannot offer anything more than my opinion on the article above.

That opinion is this: stay out of my body, and leave me alone. What happened to freedom? Is it freedom to be shackled into a death sentence, if the pregnancy is ectopic? Is it freedom to be told I can or cannot reproduce? The world is overpopulated enough. Let me, and anyone else with a uterus, figure it out for themselves if bringing part of their blood into the world is right.

I’m not saying that I am for or against abortion. I am pro-female life. A just and free life.

The sad thing is, most of the time I read articles or legislature about controlling the female end of reproduction, it’s men who decide it’s time to push this legislature through. Men who don’t have to go through the agony of birth or any of the body changes associated with it.

FINALLY!!! It takes something like THIS for anti-choice advocates to see the total insult of the invasion of a woman’s privacy! That’s what pro-choice advocates have been trying to tell you all along! It’s her body and it is private and she doesn’t need politicians to tell her what she should and shouldn’t do. Every man and EVERY WOMAN has the right to privacy in this country. All we ask is to respect women and their choices. A woman’s pregnancy is not any of your or my business. That’s between her, her doctor and her God.

Shoot. I meant to say moot and not mute. Duh, me.

my two miscarriages were no fun. the neo-cons are becoming neo-nazis

Dear Mister Clueless,

At the age of 16 I had a miscarriage completely from unknown reasons. What are you going to do? Charge me with murder? Fuck you. Get a clue. Keep your laws OFF my body. Thanks.

@ American Citizen
1. Since you know the facts tell me how much in TAXES is State Rep. Bobby Franklin willing to spend on supporting children born to rape victims, unwed teens, poor families, single moms who have a hard time time caring for their children? Not every child gets adopted. Not every citizen has a great job with benefits and makes thousands of dollars a month. @ American Citizen how much do you give in supporting agencies that help these children? Will you adopt 2 or 3 teenage children who have never had a permanent home and family? They were once fetuses.
2. How much is Franklin willing to raise TAXES to investigate all these tragedies of miscarriages? @American Citizen tell me how much more in TAXES are you willing to pay when you move to Georgia.
Georgia should spend its money on health care not on Uterus Police. Check out: http://statehealthstats.americashealthrankings.org for its health rankings against other states.
3. How much more in TAXES for prisons for women who can’t explain why they lost a child. Tell me @ American Citizen where Franklin gets his funding from and how much more in TAXES are you willing to pay for these prison? And what if these women already have living children will you explain to them why their mommy is in jail?
Every time I hear arguments for making abortions (and now miscarriages) illegal I don’t hear about how much more in TAXES will be devoted to education, health care (yes, universal health care!), clean water, air and food for these new citizens. It’s good to be caring and sentimental about a fetus but after the birth he/she is now a human being and they still need to be cared for. Not everyone is a genius like you with a great job and no financial worries. If we, as a nation, don’t support and care for the poorest and least gifted of us we should be ashamed.
Georgian women! Vote this man out he is not your friend.
@American Citizen, when your time to leave this world comes, come back as a woman before birth control married to an abusive husband because he doesn’t have the education to get a good job who drinks up what little money your family has so he can survive his failure to support the family. Have several children in very difficult pregnancies without doctor’s care that leave you with a prolapsed uterus and anemia. Children you dearly love but that you can’t afford to feed, clothe or take to the doctor when sick. Children that you give to relatives or strangers because you can’t stand to see them suffer in their own home. (You think this is unreal then read some biographies of immigrants from the 19th century.) Then come back to this time and I think you will sing a different tune. Your life is not yet over and you do not know what tragedies you and your future partner(s) may yet encounter that might open you eyes and heart to the tragedies of others.

I am trying to find a source of this and can’t. Has anyone seen it in the news? CNN, MSNBC, BBC…..

Oh yeah, American Citizen just loves women, don’t you see from what he’s saying? Women are beautiful and amazing. He especially loves when they stay in the kitchen all day so his dinner is hot when he gets home. Women are so pretty with their curls and boobies, and they’re so funny when they try to talk about manly things like politics and the economy! Silly women, don’t they realise that their uterus isn’t their property? It’s their HUSBAND’S property, just like the rest of her is.

Seriously, ladies, it’s not misogynistic at all. He loves women. He just hates that they’re being taught how to use their words, and then they’re DISAGREEING with him! Ugh. Can you believe it?

Women shouldn’t have sex. Ever. Even with their husbands, unless they’re procreating within the confines of what they’re told to do in the Bible. And if the there’s something wrong with the foetus and it’s going to kill her, well, that’s her own fault! She MUST have done something wrong. It can’t be that his opinion is wrong. Men are *never* wrong.

I’m going to go out on a limb and assume that American Citizen is totally comfortable with a big government regulating his life. I’m sure he won’t mind an investigation into everywhere he spills his semen to make sure he’s using it for procreation only. What’s that? Sometimes wet dreams happen and you have no control over the result? Hey, it’s okay. Sometimes sex happens and women have no control over who it’s with. That’s called rape.

I used to live in Atlanta, Georgia and became pregnant while on BC pills while taking antibiotics which neutralized the BC pill which enabled me to get pregnant! I had a chest XRay while unaware of being pregnant! I started spotting and hemorrhaging which made me unable to work! The State of Georgia will give a woman food stamps after a 6-8 week wait, but no welfare benefits! I became homeless, pregnant and terrified! NOT ONE SO CALLED CHRISTIAN WOULD HELP BECAUSE I WAS UNMARRIED! I had a medically induced miscarriage at 13 weeks due to the unborn fetus having radiation poisoning! 3 days later a social worker told me I finally got my food stamps! When informed of the miscarriage the gay sounding male responded, “Well it was not like you had a real baby inside you!” If you want an abortion, then it is a baby, but if you are pregnant and need help then you are nothing to the Good people of Atlanta, GA! And people wonder why more people don’t go to church! One white family helped me get back to Michigan and some help! I hope I only visit and never live in this 3rd world backwards state ever again in life!

so sad that our government WASTES tax payers money on preparing and trying to pass bills that are so ridiculous and have no chance of being passed, while at the same time are cutting money from things like education. It’s clogging up the system and costing EVERYONE money for these politicians to do this.

I don’t think we have much to worry about. It really has no chance of passing. They have been trying to overturn Row v. Wade for years. It isn’t going to happen. Have you ever noticed how politicians keep using abortion as a platform. Nothing ever comes of it. It is a buzz word used as a last ditch effort for a desperate candidate to hold their place in the runnings. Complacency is the reason for idiocy in law making. There are too many women who feel strongly enough about this topic to let this happen. Just speak out, voice your opinion in a manner befitting a strong smart woman. That totally scares most men and they will back down. Deep down they realize; no vagina means no choice. We are stronger and smarter than they give us credit for. Let’s show them how wrong they are. Not with bitching and whiny pleas. We are better than that. Let’s use our ability to sift through and clear out the shit, to help these pitiful excuses for law makers find their way.

As soon as a males have to go on trial for their reproductive habits than it will be equal and lawmakers can do whatever they want. Until then – STFU, you bunch of pandering, newsflash, ambulance chasing ne’er-do-well’s!!!!

you have got to be joking really were going to press felony charges if you cant explain why you lost baby you were carrying….. yet its completly legal for a woman to walk in to a clinic and CHOOSE to have her pregnancy ended…… please explain to me what the hell is wrong with this country….

I hope you guys in the south aren’t going to let them get away with this.

This is all being done for money. It’s a well known fact that women have no control over miscarriages – and they are abusing this fact for their own gain. This is really disgusting and ridiculous. And what happens to women is their business alone to be honest.

And besides, you can’t force women to be mothers and objectify them like that. They aren’t cattle for reproduction purposes.I’m pro life too but trying to control and keep tabs on the way a woman’s body behaves is really sickening because the truth is the body is so complex that they WILL find ways to prosecute women one way or another.

So, yeah – try to save the ladies from being abused by the law please. Stand up for them.

“To try and be clear for you, just like I said, if you want to murder an innocent baby then you should suffer the penalty. No, not jail, murder is a capital crime, execution is the only proper penalty. No, it can not be retroactive because we were forced to live with flawed misinterpretations of law, so you can’t go back on it. When abortions are illegal again, and they will be soon, if someone dies in a back ally… that is the CHOICE they made. You see, I am all about choice, just not innocent murder.”

This is the true face of “pro-life.” Just to summarize: our friend @American Citizen believes that women who abort should be executed – that one out of four women should be executed by the state, and that women who are desperate to end their pregnancies should die in a back alley.

This is the logical endpoint of all arguments that seek to restrict women’s reproductive freedom – don’t let their false rhetoric about “saving babies” fool you. They don’t give a crap about babies. They just want to control women – to the point at which women’s very lives are disposable.

Don’t let them win.

Apparantly this man has never sufferred the loss of a child via misacarriage. I myself have had 6. The doctors have no clue as to why-according to this genius I’d probably have been incarcerated as a murderer! When a family is devestated by the loss of their child they are not going to want to answer questions about what the mother did. Let them GRIEVE!!!! THEY JUST LOST A CHILD!

Wow what the Fuck is wrong with this guy? I lost my first baby at 19 i was almost 5months along. It was the worst thing that has ever happend to me I spent 2 years in therapy. An now at the age of 30 I have one child a little boy but there isent a day where my first child does not run threw my mind. I was so messed up by losing my my baby at 19 that no one thought I would ever pull back out. And if I would have had to deal with charges when i just lost part of my self I wouldent have made it. I dont know what is worse Mr. Franklin for thinking this a good idea or Georgia for makeing him a State Rep. It makes me sick!!!! Seriously? Stay out of my vagina, Mr. Franklin

Even if this was meant with the best intention, of preventing abortions….this has been clearly illogically conceived, by none other….a man.

In many instances, young girls or women are forced to have abortions by their boyfriends or husbands. This is just simply putting the very women, who would are most likely in this situation of dire, even worse off, by having to answer to the government or answer to their husband/boyfriend.

Terrible. Terrible. Terrible.

Shame on you Mr. Franklin. SHAME ON YOU.

Stupid bill. Shame on you. Go away.

I busted a gut laughing reading about the investigation of miscarriages. C’mmon! Stop pulling my leg and find something better to do with your time than instigate.

I think that the miscarriage legislation is ok, as long as we start tracking spontaneous male nocturnal emissions and the waste of sperm every time a man masturbates, as he is wasting his seed and preventing the birth of his potential offspring.

I bet it is men and uneducated ladies who have thought of this. It is utterly rediculous to expect any woman to carry on with a pregnancy that puts her life in danger. At the end of the day it’s up to the individual woman not anyone else whether she keeps any pregnancy, everyone’s circumstances are different. The people who think that this is ok need to be educated further. The right to choose is integral to our society, no one can judge or comment on another womans decision in this matter.

This guy is crazy, apparently he is also opposed to public schools, is opposed to gay rights and also doesn’t believe in driver’s licenses! He believes that everyone should have the right to drive, even 12 year old children! He also believes that the nation needs to be changed into a christian one…. Crazy bible thumper!

i believe that an accidental miscarriage is unfortunate and that it happened for a reason, but our country does need to do something about the horrible woman that just decide oh i had sex without protection, got pregnant and now i am gonna kill and innocent baby. Remember they are babies not fetus. I am totally against abortion no matter what the reason is. U have to remember that a miscarriage and abortion in the medical word are totally different. The legislative needs to charge woman that kill there unborn babies just like they charge people that kill there born children. In my eyes there is no difference, the baby has rights too and we don’t have the right to take them away………. i believe that by investigating a incident like this may help our world better protect un born babies. Plus, if you don’t want kids USE PROTECTION or be mature enough to deal with it and give the baby up for adoption, there are plenty of woman that would love to have a baby and cant… THINK BEFORE YOU HAVE SEX AND KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR ACTIONS

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Great, so if I’m not in enough pain as it is from my first miscarriage 5 years ago, and the one I’m now going though… Now some JA stupid guy wants to charge me as a murderer. I WANTED both pregnancies to go full term. It’s taken me and my fiance since October to get pregnant, and within days of finding out we finally did it, I lose it for whatever UNKNOWN cause.

I was a biology major, specializing in DNA, Genetics, with extensive work done in development/reproduction trying to understand my first MC, and this bill is outrageous. I’m Pro-life, I believe in God and all that stuff, and I tend to normally vote Republican/Conservative, but there’s got to be some line where law makers cannot pass, and that being ones privacy. I don’t want to be a “registered repeat miscarrier”. What happened to being the country of the FREE?

Pardon my french, but who the fuck voted this retard into an office position? If I lived in Georgia, I’d be moving out fast. Makes me love living in the “free” north even more so now.

Thats all I have to say on this.

I have had 1 miscarriage in the 8th month by fractures in my uterus, another 2 miscarriages in the first trimester over the past 3 years. If I knew what was wrong you think we would have fixed it? This guy is an idiot if he thinks its so damn easy to spot the prob. Maybe he needs to see what it feels like to loose the most important thing in his life then be questioned by other heartless idiots about why he lost it.
Why would anyone support this loone?!?!?!

I bet he thinks women are nothing but chattel as well, to be seen and not heard and only good to have sex with, keep a home, be ignorant and have no other ambition in life than to be a baby factory. Men like that disgust me. If you have a miscarriage or an abortion that is your private affair. No man or political entity has the right to legislate my body. Next he will outlaw birth control as a form of homicide.

Does ANYONE think that by making abortion illegal that women will stop having abortions???? Women have been having abortions since women existed and they will continue to find the need to have one no matter what the law says. Illegal abortion only KILLS or PERMANENTLY damages women when they feel desperate enough to do it themselves or have some back alley “doctor” do it for them. Legalizing it SAVES women’s lives and with Planned Parenthood, saves some unborn babies as well. Seriously, people. Women will DIE without legalization. Women will also DIE when laws keep restricting women’s access to quality medical care. KEEP IT LEGAL AND ACCESSIBLE!!!!

I am a LUCKY mother of one! One out of 6 total pregnancies, I have an odd shaped uterus and depending on where the embryo attatches decides the baby’s fate. Wow, I would be in miscarriage jail right now.
Why not do more for us Mom’s raising our children with NO father helping or supporting their child? How about taxing men who routinely get women pregnant and then walk away and do nothing to help their child survive!? I know that the Supreeme Court made a woman have a Hysterectomy after having so many children just for welfare support, why not make these dead beat dads have a vesectomy? Wouldn’t that help? Stop putting all the balme on the woman and start putting some on the men as well!

I have a friend who read a blog about a recent agricultural bill that was going to restructure fee system for large agricultural production and institute tougher inspection guidelines for international agri shipments, and because of the misinterpretation of a blog writer, came away ranting about how the government is going to begin inspecting backyard gardens and will take away property if they find a tomato patch.

As a people we gotta stop reading blogs, and start reading the actual hard-to-read bills, and be intelligent about our opinions.

My cousin’s wife just had a miscarriage about a month ago. She was 14 weeks it would have been their first. they wanted that little boy/girl. She and my cousin where going on and on about it at the family Christmas party. It was their world. they has so many hopes and dreams for that child. and now its gone.

She’s really depressed right now, doing all the what ifs, its all my fault and what did i do wrong, thing. We don’t know why it happened. i do know however, that having someone poking around trying to find blame, would just upset her greatly.

what she need right now is peace if mind and to move of with her life. she can always try again when she feels up to it.

Question : Should women be allowed to hire Drs and medical staff that perform illegal abortions and killings of live babies?

If the Drs are caught performing these illegal abortions, if Drs are caught killing live birth babies, are only the Drs. legally responsible?

Should women not be charged with crimes if the Drs perform known illegal abortions and live birth murders?

Should women be allowed to get away with murdering babies?

This is also the same legislator that wants to change the term victim to accuser in the cases of rape, stalking, and domestic violence in HB 1181.

Not all Georgian s are like these crackpots. We have a very reasonable educated population in Atlanta More college graduates per capita than Boston and equal to Minneapolis. Unfortunately we are surrounded by Georgia, Poor and Dumb. Bobby Franklin is in sympathy with many of your legislators, local tea party ers and other local “Patriots”. They are more interested in power and “Their Money” than what is good for our nation. Now to address American citizen or what ever other patriotic jingoistic nom de plume you adopt, at least be as brave as that fool Bobby and write under your real name. Only then will your beliefs be valid and you have credibility . Until then you are just another shill for the right. Rik Warren

im a rep, i dont give a crap about abortion either way, i hate unions, and this is without a doubt some of the stupidest crap I have read, whats the fiscal situation job situtation like in GA that this guy can divert attention to stupidity like this ?

The British comedian Rowan Atkinson came up with a term that should be applied to this misguided wingnnut. “Post-natal abortion”

Right about now, his dear mother is probably wondering where she can sign up for one.

@ ALLISON et al
Dear dimwits, if you had bothered to actually read the entire post yourselves instead of taking your cue from one of your fellow dimwits, you would have seen that CERIDWEN was commenting on a story that, rather than originating at (OMG THE HORROR!) “Daily Kos”, had as its source the blog of renowned constitutional scholar/attorney (not to mention author of dozens of academic articles that have appeared in leading law journals at Cornell, Duke, Georgetown, Harvard, Northwestern etc.), Jonathan Turley.

Why women miscarry is still a mystery to medical science. There are untold factors that could influence whether the baby is carried to term or not. To find out more, read this: http://morningquickie.com/2011/02/25/miscarriage-is-not-your-fault-and-not-a-crime/

@brian payne You may not realize it but you are pro-choice. Thank you for that. Pro-choice advocates are NOT pro-abortion. We are simply pro-CHOICE. We trust women to manage their own bodies and we believe that the rare abortion should be done in an accessible, safe, clean environment by licensed medical professionals. Anti-choicers do not.

@victor…..I think you missed the point of the outrage. This would be a non- issue if it wasn’t for the fact that this is actual legislation submitted by and actual, elected representative, who presented this in an actual session of congress in an actual state in this United States of America. We cannot take a chance that something like this wouldn’t get passed. Women have long been targeted with humiliating and degrading laws that have already passed, aimed at legislating inside their bodies. There is no equivalent in a man’s world. Why is this guy wasting Congress’s time and the people’s money? I suspect politicians keep these hot issues active to motivate donations to their campaigns. It works every time – and women are paying the price.

What is she accidentally falls from the stairs? Is that a homicide?