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Parenting Without Health Insurance

Posted by caseymullins on November 8th, 2011 at 11:00 am

Twitpic Share photos and videos on Twitter 300x223 Parenting Without Health InsuranceI paid $92 today to answer questions about my baby,  be told what I already knew, that she’s developing right on track and growing at a slightly slower rate than she was at 4 months, and have a doctor look over her for less than 2 minutes. Really the most labor intensive part of the exam was watching the doctor try to get her cloth diaper snapped up properly. I should also mention that the $92 charge was after the 20% discount for paying the same day and did not include vaccinations — we go the the health department and wait in outrageously long lines for those.

Why?

Because at the health department they are free.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is parenting without insurance.

I understand the reasoning and the importance of well baby visits. I do them because I am not a doctor and, while I have a pretty firm grasp on what is and is not normal for a baby, I still don’t know it all. So I pay my money and walk out thankful that nothing is wrong, but slightly grumpy that a four-minute visit from the doctor warrants a $92 charge with discount to be told, “See you in three months.”

Why don’t we have insurance? It’s expensive.

We simply don’t get sick all that often (knock on wood) and with my pre-existing depression condition the amount we would pay “just in case” far outweighs how much we would actually spend if one of us were to get sick. If someone broke a leg we’d be in a little more trouble, but after having an uninsured pregnancy for four months, I’ve become pretty familiar with how the doctors and hospitals in our area work. Payment plans and discounts for immediate payment are going to have to be good enough for us.

Medicaid? Nope. My husband makes too much. But at the same time, we have such dramatic graduate school payments to make each month that we’re just not able to justify an extra $400-$600 a month towards private insurance. I have started looking into catastrophic insurance plans, and we’re good on life insurance. But until something dramatic changes with healthcare or my husband’s employment we will most likely remain medically uninsured.

Aside from having a baby and the costs incurred from her well baby visits, the only medical expenses we have had this year is my monthly anti-depressant medication (which is one of the ones that isn’t covered by most insurance plans anyway) and three flu shots.

The cats we adopted less than two weeks ago have cost more, medically, than my own family has in the last three years.

We are outrageously blessed to be as healthy as we are, that my husband was able to get a job right out of law school and that we have doctors available to us should we need them. A year ago I was throwing a fit about the cost of healthcare and the injustice of insurance, but it didn’t really get me anywhere but angry.

I can assure you that with the upcoming elections, my ears perk when I hear talk of healthcare.

What’s your family health insurance situation?

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40 Comments

Same. We are uninsured. Though we are poor enough to qualify for some government health insurance. I am waiting to hear when Tate will be on CHIP. It freaks me out. But we can’t afford to pay for insurance while my hubs is in grad school.

MadelinePetersen commented on Nov 08 11 at 12:00 pm

Casey, I don’t know what state you live in, but in a lot of states your child can qualify for the Children’s Health Insurance Program at up to 250-300% of poverty ($46,325-55,590 for a family of 3). If you happen to live in Oregon (probably not, but just in case), there is a really affordable child health insurance program that anyone can buy into regardless of income called Healthy Kids (subsidies up to 400% of poverty, I think).

That said, I know the health insurance game is really really rough. During my pregnancy & the first few months of my daughter’s life, I was lucky enough to have coverage through my state government job, which was amazing. $5 doctor’s visits, $250 for the whole labor/delivery including c-section. Now (ironically) I work for a health insurance company and my insurance is much, much worse. Still, because of health reform, all well baby visits are required to be free (as are all preventive care services affirmed by the feds). So that helps.

You guys obviously know your own situation best, but even a catastrophic plan is better than nothing. I wish you all the best in figuring it out.

Sarah commented on Nov 08 11 at 12:00 pm

California also has a children’s health care plan. Wherever you live should be one, just check into it. As for you not having health insurance, you might be able to find a mental health department with low cost meds and doctor visits. I looked into that for myself– I am bipolar and the only health insurance I could get was catastrophic through a government program (in Colorado this is called CoverColorado)– NO insurance company would even consider me– but they did not cover meds or p-doc visits. I went to the county mental health department and was able to get therapy and doctor visits for a cost based on my income- literally I paid $5 a visit. I also made sure my doctor prescribed the generic version of my very expensive meds. It was the best I could do at the time. I hate how those of us with treated mental illness are discriminated against. If you didn’t get treatment, you could probably get insurance. Now THAT is crazy.

Jbrucker commented on Nov 08 11 at 12:24 pm

I hope you all continue to stay healthy until a workable option becomes available. I lived this way for about a year with a baby, and it’s just terrifying enough that I tried not to think about “what if” too much.

Kind of shameful in one of the richest countries in the world that families have to consider what else would break if someone broke a leg.

Julie commented on Nov 08 11 at 1:18 pm

Every state has a CHIP program, and the income limits range from 175% of poverty (in Alaska, and you probably don’t live there) to 400% of poverty (in New York.) Look up your state’s requirements at http://www.insurekidsnow.gov .

renee commented on Nov 08 11 at 1:42 pm

You definitely need to research your options, because if something WERE to happen-a car accident, a serious illness-you’d be looking at upwards of $20,000 in debt. These things are horrible but they DO happen. You need to be smart about your baby and future, not flippant. What good does it do her to be in over your head in debt? I also suggest “insurekidsnow” (the website another commenter posted.)

Melly J commented on Nov 08 11 at 1:53 pm

My husband and I are looking at starting our own business…and the most terrifying part is the lack of affordable health insurance. If we do it, I think we’ll probably get a high deductible “just in case” policy, and pay the rest out of pocket. For a relatively healthy family, I just don’t think we pay enough in any given year to justify the $10000 we would pay for standard (and still pretty crappy) insurance.

Katie commented on Nov 08 11 at 2:03 pm

Please reconsider (and other commenters.) Cancers, antiobiotic resistant infections in children, accidents aren’t just things that happen to other people. We buy our own insurance, at about $120 per month per person, and have , to come up with the $7,5000 deductible before insurance kicks in. While it’s an expense, no one should expect healthcare for free. When my second daughter was born with a one in a million skin conditions and is now undergoing surgeries, we’re thanksful our expenses are capped about $10,000/year while insurance pays the other $25,000.

Gwyn commented on Nov 08 11 at 3:34 pm

I would definitely recommend looking into catastrophic insurance. I know several people who chose to forgo health insurance on the basis of it being (a) too expensive and (b) they were generally healthy… and then they got sick, or needed surgery, or had an accident and racked up tens of thousands of dollars in debt. It can happen so quickly and be entirely out of the blue. Obviously if you can’t afford it, you can’t afford it, but if you can, then get the bare minimum at the very least.

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Jenny @ Practically Perfect... commented on Nov 08 11 at 7:46 pm

I don’t know what we would do without insurance. Even healthy people have unforeseen medical emergencies. And at least in my area I know that even with payment plans you are going to quadruple or more your hospital bill without insurance. I have really good insurance and even when I go to the er it is 200 dollar co pay. But without it I would spend easily 2000+ dollars. My 1yr old had to be rushed to the er for an allergy, not anything we planned for or expected. I know not everyone can afford health insurance though! I totally do! I am just saying… one or 2 unforeseen things a year and you could spend more than what you would on monthly insurance charge.

Liz commented on Nov 09 11 at 4:04 am

I understand. I have worked at a major insurance company in the individual underwriting department. I have seen how high the premiums can get. It’s not a matter of being flippant. I’ve seen some families pay more than our rent every month. I am Sooooo lucky right now to have insurance that covers 100% through the military. After both of my children were born, we had hospital stays, after the first child, I ended up in the hospital and needed surgery, after my second, my daughter ended up there for several days, and I can’t imagine the debt we would be in if not for our insurance. I don’t think I would ever work anywhere that didn’t offer medical insurance benefits.

Pam commented on Nov 09 11 at 6:34 am

I can’t believe parents would live without insurance because it’s “too expensive”. God forbid anything was to happen and you’d be screwed. I love the poster who said their children aren’t insured because her husband is in grad school. Do you not see the problem with that? That’s doesn’t seem just a tad bit selfish to you? If you can’t afford HEALTH insurance to better your CHILDRENS life, then you shouldn’t be affording grad school, yikes

Lauren commented on Nov 09 11 at 6:54 am

If people are being so careless about their children’s health, what else are they being careless about? If you’re willing to forego something as essential as health insurance, what else are your children going without? If you can’t afford to insure you’re kids, don’t have them.

Lauren commented on Nov 09 11 at 6:58 am

Casey, I feel for you, I really do. I am an American living in Europe (Germany) where insurance coverage is excellent and, also, required.

It is paid on a sliding scale based on your income – never ever based on preexisting conditions or “risk factors”. I get so enraged when I read about the situations that Americans are put in – and the decisions they have to make on a daily basis.

Fight for better insurance rights in the US!!!!

Emily commented on Nov 09 11 at 11:14 am

As someone who works for a small privately-owned business with fewer than 10 employees, and whose household income falls just over the gap for our state CHIP program, I am somewhat shocked by the negative reactions expressed about those of us who take care of our families without health insurance. After spending a few years without health insurance, my husband and I have learned that even with a few unexpected, large emergency bills, our total healthcare expenses have been far less than what they would have been with health insurance. Additionally, because of all the processing/etc. involved with receiving payments from insurance, many doctors prefer for patients to pay cash so they can have their money immediately and it is a drastic savings over what an insurance company would pay for those same services (so, basically, if I am insured I am paying a higher rate in order for those insurance companies to be able to pay out more money to the same doctors, if the doctors I prefer are even on their specific plans). Because I am not limited to the doctors “on my plan,” we are better able to find doctors who fit the needs of our family, and we are able to choose the tests/procedures that those doctors, my husband and myself feel are necessary – not just those that the insurance company will provide for. Furthermore, until there is some reform of the entire health insurance system, costs for medical insurance for those of us who fall in these gaps will continue to be astronomical. Approximately 10 years ago, when I was covered by a good insurance plan, I got my annual pap and pelvic exam from an OB/GYN on our plan and paid only a $30 co-pay for the visit (I now pay around $100 to $150 for the same services from my current OB/GYN, who was out of network on that plan and therefore would not have been in the co-pay group, and who I began seeing while still on that insurance policy because he’s much better!). She, in turn, for the simple routine exam, billed my insurance company close to $1,000 each year – of which, my insurance company paid over $600 each year!

Jennifer commented on Nov 09 11 at 3:54 pm

Does catastrophic insurance cover the big illnesses, or just accidents? Goof luck, I hope you can figure something out.

@Lauren I hope you are grateful that you are in a position to condemn other people’s decisions. I also can’t imagine allowing my children to be uninsured but that’s because I am LUCKY.

Meagan commented on Nov 09 11 at 5:17 pm

I honestly don’t know how you Americans do it. Land of opportunity, eh? I’m awfully happy not to have to worry about paying out of pocket for health care. I’ll keep happily sending in my taxes, thanks!

Eli commented on Nov 09 11 at 7:38 pm

I am a stay at home mother of one and a half- baby due January 12! My husband has empire and luckily we pay 152 a month- benefits of being a state employee.

Brittany commented on Nov 09 11 at 7:40 pm

This is one of my favorite things about my husband being military, is the insurance we get. Tricare isn’t always the best, but it’s free…. I think we paid just over $300 for my sons birth, and that was more for meds and being able to have a room in the hospital lol:)

Rebecca commented on Nov 09 11 at 7:44 pm

“If you can’t afford to insure your kids, don’t have them.” Damn that’s pretty harsh Lauren. Thank God you’re not my hall monitor. It sounds like the writer pays out of pocket and makes sure her kids have the medical care they need. Wellness visits, vaccines, ect. By the way, health insurance isn’t a right, it’s a privilege.

Michele Gunnells commented on Nov 09 11 at 7:49 pm

We considered this but then thought of the what ifs & decided the insurance was worth it just in case. good thing we did because when my oldest was just a month old he got a really bad case of rsv & ended up in the hospital for a day, was life flighted to a better hospital & spent a total of 6 days there before finally getting well enough to go home. only then to be put on all kinds of steroids & medications. If we had not had insurance we would have lost everything & never been able to dig ourselves out of that hole.

deeanna commented on Nov 09 11 at 7:52 pm

We can’t afford it either so we filed for government help. Sadly only me and my bf qualified for health insurance. Between the 2 of us we made $40 too much a month for my daughter to qualify! As a parent a would gladly give mine up for her to have it but they won’t do that. And we can’t afford to pay for it out af pocket so now I constantly worry that she doesn’t have it.

KayLynn commented on Nov 09 11 at 7:54 pm

I laugh at the ones who say “please reconsider” the choice about insurance. As if we are gloating for ‘saving’ money by not purchasing insurance. My family of 5 has been without insurance since 2008, when I lost my job and we formed our own company (small business). Guess what?

Small business are screwed when it comes to insurance plans, even if you use the local chamber of commerce or any other avenue to get a good rate. To insure my children and my husband alone it is 1500 a month. Add me, and its another 1000. For people who are not sick, ‘just in case.” That is our reality.

My children are not LACKING in health care. They get annual exams by the same pediatrician they’ve had since they were born. I take them in (and pay for it with my own money) when they are sick. I do not overlook annual exams. I pay out of pocket for all medical issues, labs, and other necessary things. I work on keeping us healthy via our nutrition, and wellness options.
Health insurance is simply not an option right now. That’s a simple fact of life. Not something I have casually blown off. I’ve considered it. I consider whether or not we can afford health insurance vs. a home mortgage payment. Could I afford almost 2K a month for health care? Maybe. Will I buy it? No. Not when what I pay for out of pocket is FAR less. For those of you who argue that those random events bankrupt you, well do you not realize those same ‘situations’ will likely devastate you financially with or without insurance?

In my observations, from working in a health care clinic in the past, if people would not flock to physicians for minor sniffles or coughs, then perhaps premiums would not be so high. The insurance available today is not what was around when we were younger, which was for expenses over and above the ordinary doctor’s visits. For all of you who demand Mercedes quality health care, but refuse to pay for more than a hatchback…. well that is the reason rates get higher.
For now, I trust in my God, watch what we eat, do what we can to prevent things we can prevent. That is all I can do.

Mandy commented on Nov 09 11 at 7:58 pm

@Lauren, my son WILL be insured. He is on the waiting list for CHIP. Not entirely my fault that there is a 90 day waiting period. Get off your freaking high horse.

MadelinePetersen commented on Nov 09 11 at 8:27 pm

My husband is a Police Officer and because of a completely benign irregular heartbeat+his career of choice they wont even insure him .. NICE.. and of course $500+ a mo for the rest of us is 100% out of the question.. Our state also has a children’s health ins plan that we would qualify for.. but Ive sent them the same info over and over again and they keep losing after the 3rd time I just gave up.. that was just all I could take. So we do not have health care either and my children receive their vaccs from the health dept at a $40 fee.. cross our fingers.

Marley commented on Nov 09 11 at 8:29 pm

No insurance these days is risky-and children, and the risk multiplies exponentially. Saying that your husband has a good life insurance plan is great-but what about DISABILITY? The odds are FAR greater that an individual will be disabled at some point during their years of employment- I found that out the hard way. Disability insurance is very expensive-but, with only one wage earner…Good luck to all.

diane caso commented on Nov 09 11 at 8:32 pm

I’m Canadian. Forgive me if I find this all a bit…backward. @Gwyn: I highly disagree with the statement that free healthcare should not be expected. It should. Keeping your citizens, your neighbours, your friends & family healthy & thriving MUST be a concern. And not healthy at a burden of costs they can’t afford. We pay high taxes, and I’m happy to do it. I walk my babies into their appointments & medical emergencies w/o worry of to afford or not.
Healthcare “affordability” is a damn shame.

mrshiggison commented on Nov 09 11 at 9:06 pm

I had health insurance under my mom’s plan until I turned 26 in July. I had gastric bypass surgery in 2009 and they covered over $40,000 in surgery/hospital expenses. Now the same company will not insure me privately BECAUSE of my gastric bypass surgery. It is seen as a pre-existing condition because some people have complications, etc. Now how screwed up is that? (They also referenced ONE ear infection I had as part of the reason for my denial. REALLY??) Anyway, there is state insurance that I will qualify for, but only after I have been out of insurance for 6 months. Funnily enough, it is actually better insurance at a cheaper cost than the ones I was looking at for private insurance. The company I work for has never offered health insurance, so that is not an option. It is a really messed up system in our country with health insurance, and I can’t wait until someone figures out a way to fix it. I applaud you, Casey, for doing what is best for your girls with what you’ve got. I have always enjoyed reading your writing.

MegglesP commented on Nov 09 11 at 9:09 pm

My husband has health insurance through his work, my son is on CHIP, and I am uninsured. I get my depression meds from a health clinic that is for people without health insurance.

Candace commented on Nov 09 11 at 9:53 pm

I’m honestly shocked by people who have the attitude of “if you can’t insure your kids, you shouldn’t have had them.” My family of 4 were well-insured and happy until my husband was laid off in 2008 while I was finishing my nursing degree. We couldn’t afford the $1200/mo premium of COBRA. We made too much for Medicaid (because we both had tiny part-time side jobs in addition to his unemployment), although at least our kids were covered through SCHIP. I looked into private policies, but we were either denied for pre-existing conditions, or the premium was too high.

Then I got a job as a nurse in mid-2009 and we all had health insurance again. Yay! But then my hospital shut down our maternity ward a year later and I was quickly without a job. I needed a new job quickly and found a contract position that made it possible for us to cover all our bills, although no benefits.

My husband just got a permanent job with health insurance in August, but for over a year none of my family had health insurance. We made too much for SCHIP, and faced the same denials from private insurance or premiums that would have forced us to choose between keeping our house or having really poor health insurance. ($1000/mo for a $10K deductible & lots of exclusions for any condition we’ve ever had? No thanks.)

During that year of no insurance, we paid out of pocket for any doctor visits, prescriptions, and the occasional urgent care trip. I put money into savings with each paycheck (roughly as much as I’d expect to pay from a reasonable premium) as a back-up fund for any health issues. We used the health department for vaccinations. We never put our children’s health at risk.

No one plans to lose their health insurance. Saying that someone shouldn’t have kids if they can’t provide insurance proves what a limited experience that person must have in her life. How nice it must be to live in a magical world where no one is ever laid off, you’ve never had an ear infection or an irregular mole removed that would disqualify you from a private plan, and you have all the money you need to pay extreme premiums and outrageous deductibles for limited coverage, all while still affording a mortgage and food and all of the other things your child needs as well.

Would you suggest that people who lose their jobs or need to take jobs without insurance (because it’s the only option you have in that moment) have their children taken away from them because they can’t afford health insurance during that moment in time?

Casey, I know if you had a viable option for health insurance presented to you, you’d take it in a heartbeat. What parent wouldn’t? In the meantime, you’re doing exactly what you should be doing, which is the best that you can to look after the health of your children.

Christina commented on Nov 10 11 at 5:23 am

^^^THIS.

Ally Kennedy commented on Nov 10 11 at 8:36 am

We need universal healthcare for ALL! NOW! We are the only developed country IN THE WORLD that doesn’t offer some type of universal healthcare! That’s disgusting! And don’t give me the whole “We would be paying so much more in taxes” talking point. What we’re paying now in premiums/copays to the greedy insurance companies would offset any tax increase.

Mommyof4 commented on Nov 10 11 at 10:31 am

$1109 a month. That’s what it costs to insure my healthy (read no pre-existing conditions) family on a private health plan. Oh and it’s a low priced, high deductible catastrauphic plan.
Affording Health Insurance isn’t as easy to do as some of you think it is.

vickie commented on Nov 12 11 at 8:44 pm

There is a reason why, in 2005, the Supreme Court of Canada declared the ban on private insurance unconstitutional. It’s the same reason why I, when working in healthcare in Detroit area, often saw Canadian patients paying cash for MRI’s, mammograms, surgeries…there is a big downside to single-payer/universal systems.

That’s why many European and other industrialized countries have, like US, a multiple-tiered system that is a combo of private and public health care delivery systems. Germantown, the Netherlands, Japan…research their systems and you’ll likely be surprised.

Furthermore, it’s factually incorrect to state the US is the only developed country without socialized medicine. Between Medicaid, Medicare, and military health benefits, 31% of US citizens receive health insurance from federal govt. Add federal employees, that number greatly increased. Add to THAT state and local employees it’s even higher. Then there are county health clinics, public university health centers, Planned Parenthood, and the like which are also funded by taxpayers. The US is NOT without socialized medicine.

My family spent some time not so long ago without insurance. Lost job, Cobra ran out, couldn’t afford to pay premiums…it was scary. I get it, the US system has deficiencies that need to be addressed. But in a few years once Obamacare is fully in force, Casey and her family (and mine) won’t have the option to pay out of pocket…it’ll be literally against the law to make that choice to not carry health insurance.

One last thought…if healthcare is a right, why isnt food? And water? Grocery stores have a higher average profit margin than health insurance companies…isn’t it obscene that they are profiting from the fundamental human need for sustenance? And if I can’t afford my water bill, the utility company can shut it off, depriving my family of drinking water and sewage. Why shouldn’t food and water be a right?

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Christine commented on Nov 12 11 at 11:06 pm

There is a reason why, in 2005, the Supreme Court of Canada declared the ban on private insurance unconstitutional. It’s the same reason why I, when working in healthcare in Detroit area, often saw Canadian patients paying cash for MRI’s, mammograms, surgeries…there is a big downside to single-payer/universal systems.

That’s why many European and other industrialized countries have, like US, a multiple-tiered system that is a combo of private and public health care delivery systems. Germantown, the Netherlands, Japan…research their systems and you’ll likely be surprised.

Furthermore, it’s factually incorrect to state the US is the only developed country without socialized medicine. Between Medicaid, Medicare, and military health benefits, 31% of US citizens receive health insurance from federal govt. Add federal employees, that number greatly increased. Add to THAT state and local employees it’s even higher. Then there are county health clinics, public university health centers, Planned Parenthood, and the like which are also funded by taxpayers. The US is NOT without socialized medicine.

My family spent some time not so long ago without insurance. Lost job, Cobra ran out, couldn’t afford to pay premiums…it was scary. I get it, the US system has deficiencies that need to be addressed. But in a few years once Obamacare is fully in force, Casey and her family (and mine) won’t have the option to pay out of pocket…it’ll be literally against the law to make that choice to not carry health insurance.

One last thought…if healthcare is a right, why isnt food? And water? Grocery stores have a higher average profit margin than health insurance companies…isn’t it obscene that they are profiting from the fundamental human need for sustenance? And if I can’t afford my water bill, the utility company can shut it off, depriving my family of drinking water and sewage. Why shouldn’t food and water be a right?

Christine commented on Nov 12 11 at 11:07 pm

Sorry for the dual post and typos (Germantown should obv be Germany, lol)…getting used to iPad. :)

Christine commented on Nov 12 11 at 11:09 pm

My family can afford insurance and we spend our money on good coverage. That being said, I don’t know whether I believe that “universal” healthcare is the solution to our nation’s healthcare problems… I’m afraid that it will just lead to a bigger gap between those who can afford care and those who can’t. And that it will lead to families like mine – right in the middle – footing the bill for people who don’t take responsibility for their own health. And that it will lead to an overall decline in the quality of healthcare that is available becuase the field of medicine will decline in prestige and the smartest, most caring people will no longer want to be doctors and nurses. In the long run, I just don’t see that as a good thing. There has to be a better alternative.

That aside – if you don’t have health insurance and you find yourself faced with a large bill, I have two tips: (1) see if you can negotiate a payment plan with the provider so that they don’t turn your account over to a collection agency – no need to ruin your credit if you can help it and (2) though I’m not sure how to go about this exactly, demand from the provider that you be given the insurance discount or charged only the negotiated rate. Hospitals have been reprimanded by courts, at least in some states, for discriminating against people based on whether they have insurance.

Good luck, folks.

Kate commented on Nov 13 11 at 9:00 pm

Hey Girl, I am right there with you. And to be honest as long as you don’t over medicate your kid, they will develop a healthy and strong immune system on their own making it easier for their bodies to fight off whatever the other kids get that have been over medicated because their bodies have become complacent in the production of antibodies because it is use to getting something to fight it off for it, in stead of doing it naturally. I’m old school, mint for a stomach ache, camphor for bug bites, and so on. As for insurance, you could always do what me and my husband do. We set up a separate savings account and put some money in it each week. We also have a separate debit card for that account do we pay out of that, and no, it is not a Health Savings Account, it is just a way for us to make sure we can cover some of the unplanned stuff, and to make sure we always have money for my meds too.

Erin Muree commented on Nov 14 11 at 9:08 am

My DH and I were paying $1600/month to cover ourselves and our 5 kids though our own business’ small group plan, for really high deductibles and high co-pays. The insurance co. mis-processed a payment and the associated paperwork to drop one employee from the plan, and cancelled the whole plan, retroactively. That was the ONLY company that we had found that would even WRITE a plan!

Alison commented on Dec 16 11 at 6:23 pm

Christine, using the term “Obamacare” pretty much invalidates anything you say.

Really? You can’t use decent terminology? Do you also call the pro-choice movement “pro-abortion”?

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