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I Didn’t Agree with the Doctor.
Vivi had her two month well baby check last week (technically she’s two and half months but things got bumped with the doctor having a family emergency blah blah...) and the good news? She is well. The bad news? I don’t agree with her doctor on something. It isn’t a huge deal, I have a feeling it would be a much bigger deal if I were a first time mom. But I’m not. This isn’t my first rodeo. So I smiled and nodded at the doctor’s advice, tried it out and then chose to ignore it.
You see, he asked how long Vivi sleeps at night. When I responded 10-11 hours most nights he said that we should be waking her to feed her after about six hours. His reasoning was that babies her age can’t hold onto enough nutrition to make it that long at night. Except that she does. My reasoning for ignoring his advice is that she is not receptive to being woken up and fed (we tried, she fell fast asleep before we could even sit down.) And this baby of mine? Does not take a decent nap during the day (we’re talking tiny little kitty naps all day long) so by the time bedtime rolls around? Baby wants to sleep. Period.
The biggest reason for ignoring his well meaning (textbook) advice? She’s perfectly well nourished. Rolls for days. Even her doctor agreed that she is far from undernourished. She eats plenty throughout the day, she is happy and growing just fine. That being said, if she does wake up in the night (which happens) of course we feed her. But until she learns to nap for longer than 10 minutes a day I see no reason to interrupt the quality sleep she gets (and needs) at night.
Has a doctor ever told you to do something one way but your gut told you to go another? After all, I’m the one that spends 24 hours 7 days a week with this little girl, I trust myself more than a doctor who sees her for seven minutes every two months.
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moosh in indy. » time flies when you’re babbling about your baby all the time. commented on Jul 25 11 at 9:04 pmdomestic extraordinaire commented on Jul 20 11 at 9:16 amShe sounds just like Giggles. That girl was sleeping 12 hours nights when she was barely a month old. Now when she was awake during the day she needed to be held and ate all the day long.
I love our girls’ ped. he always tells me what he thinks but always follows with saying “But your her mom, you live with her, you know better than I do.” It’s probably why when we moved further away I never switched. The girls only go once a year and when they are ill so driving the 45 minutes each way to see him, so worth it.
Bridget commented on Jul 20 11 at 9:18 amThe things that my husband told patients before he was a parent and after he was a parent are DRASTICALLY different. Before you have kids of your own, you can only tell your patients what you’ve been taught is fact. When you become a parent, you realize that there actually aren’t any facts.
punkinmama commented on Jul 20 11 at 9:20 amDude, that doctor is insane! Most moms would kill for a baby to be sleeping that long at night! I understand that advice if the baby is underweight or not gaining weight, but otherwise, I subscribe to the “NEVER WAKE A SLEEPING BABY” theory. (Yes, the theory requires all caps.)
And I’ve disagreed with the pediatrician many times… resulting in switching pediatricians (twice). But when someone tries to tell me that a baby with a chronic cough for a year is normal (“babies get sick”), then I know something isn’t quite right with the doc. Babies DO get sick, but they get better too!
Anyway, I could rant on and on about this, but I’ll stop now…
Jenni Williams commented on Jul 20 11 at 9:29 amExactly Bridget! You do what works best for you and yours. I have nodded and smiled at docs more than I have actually listened. Having a son with autism, they think they can fit him into a mold of what he should be, but the thing is ALL kids are different, esp those with autism. There is no mold. If Vivi is happy and growing, which she clearly is, what you are doing it working!
Amy commented on Jul 20 11 at 9:38 amNot with a baby, but I paid over $500 for my kid to see a new dr in town who tried to convince us both that he should not go to mainstream high school. I couldn’t find a single teacher that agreed with her (neither did dad or I). That hurt her credibility with me and we cancelled his next appt.
Vivi is such a doll, Casey!! I’d let her sleep too!
Tiffany commented on Jul 20 11 at 10:09 amTotally agree with you. Doctors don’t know everything, mother’s instinct is far more reliable. I have ignored docs on more than one occasion with my two boys. They are perfectly healthy, and there is no way I’d wake a sleeping baby!
angelique commented on Jul 20 11 at 11:27 amWhen my oldest was a year old he began having constant ear infections – 7 within the next 6 months. The fevers he had, even while on antibiotics, often climbed to 105. His doctors, of which he saw several within the same office, all told me that his infections, even with their frequency, were totally normal. Then, at 18 months, I was called at work to come and get him from daycare because he had a fever. Within 60 seconds of getting him home his eyes rolled back in his head and he started convulsing. I thought I was watching my son die. The 911 operator couldn’t understand me because I was screaming into the receiver. Those few minutes felt like they lasted for days while I watched him seize. We learned that he was having febrile seizures; that his brain couldn’t handle the rate at which his fevers climbed. We realized that all those times he would be feverish and not wanting to respond to us and staring of into the distance he had actually been suffering petit mal seizures (without the convulsions). After that trip in the ambulance, my pediatrician still tried to tell me that this was normal childhood illness. My response: “The hell it is and I want a specialist NOW!” The Ear, Nose, and Throat doc we saw immediately suggested tubes. After speaking with Joseph he observed that our son likely wasn’t hearing the beginnings and endings of words and that as a result his speech development was suffering. In the 3 weeks it took to get to the surgery he had ANOTHER infection, accompanied by ANOTHER grand mal seizure. Even being on antibiotics for the 12 days preceeding the procedure his ears were still so infected that the doctor had to drain huge pockets of fluid before he could place the tubes. He said that Joseph had likely not had any relief since he first began having problems at the one year mark. I felt like the worst mother on the planet for having not insisted on seeing the specialist sooner. What would have happened if I had listened to my pediatrician and let him continue on with infection after infection? Now I trust my instincts. My second child, by the way, had 12 grand mal febrile seizures before reached 2 years-old. At least the second time around knew what it was.
Beth commented on Jul 20 11 at 12:20 pmYes, I have disagreed with a pediatrician before. I started to comment here, but it turned into a novel! I’m going to do it as a blog post instead. Suffice it to say, I learned to follow my gut and the other experts around me when it came to my kids and what was best.
Here’s my post – and thanks for yours! I sometimes forget those early experiences that have shaped me as a mom.
http://obxtherapy.blogspot.com/2011/07/flashback-january-2001.html
Julie commented on Jul 20 11 at 1:41 pmOh totally. I’ve ignored doctors opinions on co-sleeping and waking the baby to feed them with both of my sons. If my child were incapable of holding onto nutrition to go that long at night, HE WOULDN’T. His empty tummy would wake him up. They’re not going to starve to death. Nature made babies the way she did for a reason, I’ve always said.
Teri commented on Jul 20 11 at 2:52 pmOur pedi told us last week that I need to start supplementing a bottle a day, since my little daughter is so small. I second guessed myself for a few days, and was pumping like crazy to have enough to give her in a bottle before I decided not to worry about it at all. She has plentiful rolls and yes, she is short and small, but so am I. My milk is nourishment enough I decided in the end.
Megan commented on Jul 20 11 at 3:06 pmThat’s crazy. My ped told us it was fine when my daughter started sleeping through the night at 3 weeks old, because she was drinking fairly large(6oz) bottles for her age during the day, so she just didn’t need the extra breastmilk(I was exclusively pumping so I knew exactly how much she was getting) at night. He said we should consider ourselves lucky and enjoy a good night’s sleep. He just told us at her 6 month check-up it was fine that she was back down to only 18-24 oz. of formula a day because she only wanted baby food. It didn’t matter if she got her bottle first or her baby food, she just wouldn’t drink more than that. The kid eats one container of fruit and one container of yogurt at breakfast, and one container of veggies or a dinner, and one container of fruit for lunch and dinner, plus biter biscuits, Gerber Puffs, and the occasional french fry when we eat out. The girl’s a bottomless pit. She’s also in the 90th percentile for height and only the 75th percentile for weight, so she’s not fat at all. I think she has a hollow leg like her 8 year old brother. LOL
Tash commented on Jul 20 11 at 3:50 pmMy 3 mo baby does the same thing – long sleeps at night and very short naps during the day. My husband is a doctor and would never suggest we wake the baby so I could feed him! Let sleeping babies lie as long as they are gaining!
Della commented on Jul 20 11 at 3:57 pmYES- and I still don’t have concrete evidence, but I know I was right.
When my (breastfed) son was about 6-8 weeks old, his poop turned into exclusively diarrhea. It went from being beautiful, mustardy, seedy newborn poop, to being the color and consistency of “first foods” peaches. I took him in to the doctor after a week or so of that; since there was no stool in the diaper when we went, the [childless] pediatrician told me that *rolleyes* baby poop is always soft, some kids just had different consistency than others, blah blah blah. I went to the general practitioner who told me the same thing.
He was constantly getting yeast infections and diaper rashes so bad that the skin on his bottom would slough off and it would bleed. The GP was making things worse by prescribing hydrocortisone which thins the skin (I didn’t realize that at the time), making it easier for the diaper to rub through that skin.
Once he started on solid foods, and partial formula when I had to go back to work, it started to get better, finally clearing up once he was doing mainly solid food with milk on the side.
It turns out, my boy is allergic to hazelnuts – and I was chowing down Ferrero Rocher chocolates like crazy during those first few months – and has an very strong onion/garlic intolerance. Incidentally, we finally figured that out when we started him on third foods, because he started having eczema*; I looked up causes of that and realized it was every time we gave him those “third foods” (which virtually all have onion/garlic).
Most of the docs I was seeing acted as if his digestive problems were normal baby issues, and the one who suggested that it was an allergy problem was convinced it was milk. I actually went dairy-free for two weeks, but nothing changed – because it wasn’t the milk!
Unfortunately, since I WAS a first time mom, there WERE some things I didn’t know; some pieces of the puzzle I didn’t have. I wish someone had taken me seriously that, even as a first time mom who looks 5-10 years younger than I really am, I was experienced enough and smart enough that I really knew what was “normal” FOR MY KID and knew when something was wrong. If they had, maybe they would have suggested allergy testing and asked if *I* had any sensitivities we might expect to see in him.
Just this year, we’ve seen NEW digestive symptoms tied to this intolerance (encopresis, ahoy!), which convince me that the original months of diarrhea and diaper rash could have been avoided if someone had just believed I knew what I was talking about.
Jenn commented on Jul 20 11 at 6:47 pmI *am* a first time mother… and I still do the “nod and smile, nod and smile”. I know my baby better than the doctor. I’m with him every day. I have the gut instincts, the bond, a group of Mama/Grandmas to ask, and Google, LOL. Thankfully we’ve rarely disagreed with the doctor, but yea… my kid, I know him, and we’re going to go with our instincts. Don’t fix what isn’t broken, IMO.
Lou commented on Jul 20 11 at 7:52 pmAt the 2 month check up the nurse practitioner tried to bully us into getting the baby to sleep on his own in his crib in his room. LOL, no. I told my husband if she wanted to come over our house and get him out of the crib every 2 hours to nurse, then maybe I’d consider it. Also, I really like co-sleeping, it gives me peace of mind I wouldn’t have otherwise.
Jenna commented on Jul 22 11 at 11:28 pmI got the same “words of wisdom” from my doctor when my first daughter was sleeping all night after only a few weeks. I woke her up one night and after that was like “Nope. If you’re sleeping I’m not going to mess with that.” You’re not alone.
Katie commented on Jul 23 11 at 1:46 amPediatrician for my first baby said to wake her up, not to let her sleep too long at night. But our current Pediatrician for my 2nd and 3rd is all for letting the babies sleep at night. I only wake my babies up in the day if they sleep more than 3 hours. I need to keep my sanity and get sleep…so if baby is sleeping I sleep!
Autumn commented on Jul 24 11 at 7:40 amTeagan’s been sleeping from 9:30p to 6:30a for some time now. She’s 4 1/2 mos. At her 4 mos check up, I asked her CRNP if it was ok that I had started giving her baby food. She said to wait til 6 mos, but give her rice cereal if she was hungry. I tried that for a few days, but baby girl didn’t like it. I went back to giving her the baby food bc it was pitiful to watch her watch our forks go from plate to mouth while she made chewing motions with her mouth while getting fussier and fussier (Poor baby…). Now she’s happy!
Carolyn commented on Jul 24 11 at 9:06 pmWe had almost the exact same conversation with our lactation consultant (who was backed up by the doctor) but the difference was that our guy has always been at the low end of the weight charts, and he went two weeks without gaining any weight :( When you’re in the 2-5 percentile to begin with, not gaining weight is an issue. So, I started waking him at night (which was HARD! He would be super soundly asleep, so I’d have to change his diaper to make him mad enough to wake up. That was awful) and then after that he got into the habit of waking up at night on his own. Now that he is sleeping through the night again, I’m not planning to wake him up unless we see another growth plateau ;)
Laura commented on Jul 24 11 at 11:05 pmomg – that is crazy. I would never wake a baby up to feed unless there were some nutritional issues going on (premie, losing weight, etc.). Otherwise, let them sleep!
I’ve never really gotten bad advice from a doctor who I disagreed with, but this week I realized that a nurse practitioner I saw a couple of years ago for my son’s annual visit (6 yrs old) probably didn’t take my question about him not being potty trained at night very seriously when she just said ‘no big deal’ instead of offering any further advice. I assume it is because she just didn’t realize that it might be related to anything else. Just this week, he’s 7 1/2 now, we saw a pediatric urologist who now says that he’s ‘holding it’ during the day which is causing the peeing at night. We have some behavior modification strategies to work with now, so hopefully we’ll get somewhere now.
mpotter commented on Jul 25 11 at 4:02 pmwhen the bean (now 3) was a month old, we addressed her INCESSANTOMGNOBODYHASLUNGSLIKETHAT crying with her (then & never again) doctor.
having 30 nieces and nephews still didn’t prepare me for the amount of hell & not sleeping this child went through for the first 4+months of her life.
but this doctor told me she wanted me to give her formula.
i’m all for formula if that is what you choose for yourself.
i’m even all for formula if there is a reason for giving it. (ie: supplement or other reasons)
but when i delved further and asked what her reason was (the bean was gaining weight like crazy, so it wasn’t that) her answer was “let’s just see what happens”really?
so i pried a little bit more and said “what is it i’m supposed to *see*?”
she responded again “let’s just see what happens”really? again?
then she interrupted before i could, you know, clarify and she said “don’t worry, this formula is really easy to digest.”
so i then responded, “isn’t breastmilk like the easiest thing to digest?”
and she replied (say it with me) “let’s just see what happens:i think they go to medical school for that logic.
can’t argue with it.needless to say, i took the formula & gave it to a mom i know who appreciated it. then the bean’s next appt. was with her (current) doctor. who thought we should manage the “silent reflux” she thought was going on.
a few weeks later, she began to TAKE A NAP.
Bobbie commented on Jul 25 11 at 4:31 pmDoctors are just people. My husband, sister, and brother in law are doctors. Doctors tend to be really solid on medical things and you should listen to your doctor there, but a lot of medicine is gray and things that have to do with parenting are even more gray. Should you wake a baby? Not a healthy one. But what if its a symptom of a health problem? It’s a tough job, being a pediatrician like my husband. He has to try to guess what parents want while also trying to figure out if there is a real medical problem or just a parenting problem he doesn’t want to comment on. Medicine is art as much as science and it works best when the parent and doctor work together.
Jenni commented on Nov 08 11 at 1:12 pmthey tried to tell my mother that i needed to be woken up and fed 2 oz every 2 hrs. My mom being a first time mother tried it and she said that was the worst 4 weeks of her life. at a month old she put rice in my bottle and let me eat untill i was full and i slept the entire night. I’m not a mother but just from my mother’s experience and my friends, let the babe sleep!!! especially if its perfectly healthy other wise. Docs arent always right!
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