Michelle Duggar: Her Choice to Share Her Baby’s Photos Deserves Our Respect
Posted December 18th, 2011 at 10:15 am
I freely admit to a certain fondness for the Duggar family. They seem like genuinely nice folks who simply happen to hold different religious views than I do. When I heard that Michelle Duggar had suffered a second trimester miscarriage week before last, I felt terrible for her – both for her tragic loss, and also for the onslaught of meanness that was about to come surging her way.
As a strongly pro-choice woman and mother myself, I’ve blogged before about how hypocritical I find it that so many other women who would go to the mat to defend my right NOT to have children are so nasty in their criticisms of another woman’s choice to have lots of children. Michelle Duggar’s reproductive choices are not the same as mine, and mine likely aren’t the same as yours, but when we start defining what’s acceptable in terms of how a grown woman should and should not conduct her own reproductive health and life, we’re headed down a slippery slope.
And the same is true when it comes to the public criticism of the way Michelle Duggar has chosen to express her grief at the loss of her pregnancy in the second trimester. The Duggars decided – as many, many parents who suffer a second or third trimester pregnancy loss do – to name their baby, a daughter they christened “Jubilee Shalom Duggar,” and to hold a memorial service for her, just as they would have if the baby had been born alive but had died the next day. Their decisions to do even these things sparked some public derision, but it’s been one specific element of their memorialization of their loss that’s really got people talking – and mostly not in a good way. The particular choice they’ve made that’s being most scrutinized and negatively commented upon is their decision to have photographs taken of their tiny baby after Michelle delivered her at home, and to then share those photos beyond their own family.
Many public critics are saying that they would never take photos of a dead baby or child, PERIOD, but the outcry grew in volume and negativity after the Duggars’ sensitive photos entered the public domain via a young adult member of their extended clan who made the unfortunate decision to tweet them out for the whole world to see.
I have no idea whether Michelle Duggar or her husband knew of or approved their young cousin’s ill-advised action in tweeting their special memorial photos of their deceased baby to the cruel world at large immediately following the service, but I have a pretty strong suspicion that they did not know that she planned to do such a thing. But now that it’s done, it’s done. There’s no way to get that horse back in the barn. So the next day, the Duggars published the photos on their own website, where if these private photos were going to be displayed on the internet anyway, Mr. and Mrs. Duggar could at least place them in an online context with which they felt most comfortable.
But while I agree that this young woman’s tweet was probably not the most sensitive way to share these very personal photos publicly, the idea that there is something bizarre, inappropriate or distasteful about grieving parents photographing a dead child – whether that child died in utero or after birth – or in then sharing those photos in whatever way they choose is something with which I take great issue.
The criticism to which Michelle Duggar is currently being subjected has ranged from the mild and thoughtful (my friend and fellow Babble blogger Monica Bielanko gently expressing her personal discomfort with seeing the memorial photos) to the viciously cruel and salacious (the National Enquirer referring to the photos and the parents of the baby in the photos as “creepy.”) But however the negativity toward this grieving mama is being expressed, it shows a profound lack of understanding for the experience of maternal grief.
I have suffered several first trimester miscarriages, and while they were disappointing and physically draining, I really did not feel any grief around the experience. However, I know many women who have been shaken to their core by deep grief after losing pregnancy even early on. But when it comes to pregnancy loss near or after the time of viability, which is where Michelle Duggar lost her baby, I don’t know anyone who’s been through that particular hell who didn’t see it as losing a baby. Nasty online critics can demean losing a child five months into pregnancy, as the Duggars did, by referring to this family’s dead child with the technical and cold terminology of “miscarried fetus,” but that doesn’t reflect how the mother who birthed that tiny child, held her and laid her to rest feels. To parents who lose a baby in the second or third trimester, they just HAD A CHILD DIE. It’s as simple as that.
So then the question becomes, is it humane or reasonable to in any way question the decisions that a mother makes in how she grieves her dead child? What purpose does that serve? WHY would anyone even raise the issue of whether the way that a mother has chosen to grieve is “appropriate” or “correct?” The myriad ways that people grieve and memorialize their dead children are deeply rooted in culture and religious practice, and when we criticize others’ grief rituals, we’re expressing a type of bigotry, as well as a lack of respect for our own families and their histories.
While Americans today rarely display memorial photos of a dead child, and may find the idea “creepy,” our great-grandparents (NOTE: NEXT FEW LINKS CONTAIN GRAPHIC PHOTOS OF VICTORIAN DEATH IMAGES) did so quite regularly. Loving, perfectly normal parents would pose their just-deceased babies and children in various ways, often with the grieving mother holding the child, or with the living siblings gathered around, and would then treasure the photos – or the portrait painted from the photos – for the rest of their own lives.
And displaying photos of dead children isn’t the only grief custom that may now be seen as bizarre but not so long ago was seen as beautiful and sacred; in my own family there exists a framed wreath of about 18 by 18 inches, dating back to the mid 19th century, intricately woven of the hair of various children who died in the same generation. (It looks very much like this one.) It’s an item created for public display, even though nowadays most people would find it bizarre if we chose to hang a large wreath made of our dead child’s hair in our living rooms.
Even today, in a nation homogenized by television, interstate travel and the internet, there exists a panoply of grief rituals within specific American subcultures and religious groups, and they all deserve our reverence and respect. Orthodox Judaism requires that a dead relative never be left alone before burial, and prohibits autopsies, embalming and cremation, for example, while here in the the southern U.S., where I live, it’s very common for protestant families to hold open-casket events called a “receiving of friends,” in which their dead child (or other family member) is displayed for all to see, embalmed, hair dressed, and laid out for hours in a sumptuous coffin in a room full of flowers and food. Visitors come by the funeral home to show their respect by signing the guest book, speaking gently to the bereaved parents, and by filing past the deceased slowly and reverently, then circling back to tell the grief stricken mama and daddy how beautiful their child looks.
Various types of public display of the dead are cultural traditions of mourning that help many parents navigate their grief, and while it might make some people uncomfortable to see a dead child dressed in her best and laid out in repose in a satin lined casket as people file past – or to see a cardstock photo of a tiny foot pressed up against a bereaved mother’s hand published on the internet – that doesn’t matter.
Basically, what I’m saying here is this: let’s all try to be kind. The Duggars may be on television, and they may be of a different faith tradition and culture than I am or you are, but they are real people – real people who are trying to deal with the death of their baby in their own way, within their own cultural context. And whether or not their way is YOUR way is absolutely immaterial. Another family’s grief practices aren’t anyone’s business but their own, even if those practices include public display of the dead or photos of the dead. Criticizing the way people memorialize a dead child is just cruel, no matter how you couch it.
The fact that those photos of Jubilee Duggar’s little foot and hand might make other people uncomfortable – people who didn’t just have their child die – isn’t the point. Memorial rituals and grief traditions are about helping the parents whose child has just died feel comforted and supported. They’re not about pleasing the rest of us, or about conforming to how we would do it, or about conforming to funerary rites that we would prefer. In fact, expressing our own preferences or tastes in criticizing the way another parent chooses to memorialize her recently dead child strikes me as being in far worse taste than anything the bereaved parent might have done.
If those photos of Michelle Duggar’s dead baby’s foot offend you in some way, why not take that negative emotional energy and turn it into something good. Why not grab your own camera, and go take a photo of your own healthy, beautiful, living child. I’ll bet that as you look through that viewfinder at your own good fortune, manifest in every breath your beloved son or daughter, grandchild, niece or nephew takes, you’ll have a new perspective on this whole thing.
Respectfully,
Katie
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[...] Why Her Choice to Share Those Photos Deserves Respect Dec 182011 Over at Babble today, I’m weighing in on the public lashing that bereaved mother Michelle Duggar is currently receiving over her choice [...]
Michelle Duggar: Why Her Choice To Share Those Photos Deserves Respect commented on Dec 18 11 at 10:23 am[...] This article is by far the best I have read about Michelle Duggar and the loss and mourning of her youngest daughter. The negativity I have heard since she lost her baby makes me ill to my core. [...]
The ultrasound revealed it’s a …. {RTT} commented on Dec 20 11 at 1:40 pmbearing commented on Dec 18 11 at 10:45 amThe Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep Foundation exists to provide, free of charge, remembrance photography to parents who have suffered the loss of a child or who expect their child to die soon after birth.
From their site: “For families overcome by grief and pain, the idea of photographing their baby may not immediately occur to them. Offering gentle and beautiful photography services in a compassionate and sensitive manner is the heart of this organization. The soft, gentle heirloom photographs of these beautiful babies are an important part of the healing process. They allow families to honor and cherish their babies, and share the spirits of their lives. The NILMDTS mission statement is to introduce remembrance photography to parents suffering the loss of a baby with the gift of professional portraiture. We believe these images serve as an important step in the family’s healing process by honoring their child’s legacy.”
The link goes to the “about” page, but be aware that the rest of the site contains beautiful but sensitive photos.
geri a commented on Dec 18 11 at 10:49 amAfter reading this, the Shakespeare quote “everyone can master a grief but he that has it” comes to mind. Very easy for others to tell people how to handle their grief, and what they should or shouldn’t do. Wonderfully written post katie.
steph commented on Dec 18 11 at 10:51 amWell said, Katie.
Rebecca commented on Dec 18 11 at 10:52 amWise words,Katie .
SJ commented on Dec 18 11 at 11:10 amAmen! I’ve always been fond of the Duggars, too, and I think you hit the nail absolutely on the head when you compare the hypocritical nature of those who are willing to defend my pro-choice views as well, are so quick to slam the Duggars. AMEN.
Hazel commented on Dec 18 11 at 11:16 amNope, still creepy. I’m not of the “anything that makes a grieving mother feel better” camp. Some things are just plain creepy, including photographing a fetus’s hand. And yes, I’m well aware that Victorians used to photograph dead children. Not fetuses, though.
A.K. commented on Dec 18 11 at 11:18 amBravo, Katie!
John Dominic Barbarino commented on Dec 18 11 at 11:26 amActually never heard of this family at all. Could be because television isn’t my bag. Especially reality television. However, personal grief should be personal, period. When it goes onto a website it is no longer grief but an issue, a cause and a statement. Can’t slice both ways on this kind of thing. Sorry for the sadness, the need for understanding is understood. Loss is horrible, but public displays of a loss is (place adjective that one finds suitable.)
The internet is not new anymore. Yet, we continue to make gaffes as if it used a language still needing a pro to decipher it. Respect is about starting from the position of respecting the public forum. The accidentlal family member’s gaffe just needs a well worded recognition of facts, feelings and understanding. Pictures to confirm it with context is agenda. What that is? Doesn’t really matter. This family remains private, at least to me. And hopefully in quiet will heal. The media is not to blame for this one, surely. Though, the innocent life lost suffers and all those that loved it will take longer in healing. Seems healing is being evolved out of our human condition. That truly is a great loss if it becomes true.
Susan commented on Dec 18 11 at 11:33 amThank you Katie! Well said and a topic very close to my heart. One of my regrets in life is only having one poor quality polaroid photo of my son who was born full term and died on December 27, 1993.And when my mother in law who s Catholic chose to question our decision to cremate our child it caused me enormous pain.
Nelson's Mama commented on Dec 18 11 at 11:35 amWonderful post.
Hazel needs to get a life.
Jackie commented on Dec 18 11 at 11:39 amI wonder Hazel, if by calling it a fetus means you can be cruel? I don’t think that changing the name of what that child was called, be it a fetus or a baby, makes the parents feel the loss any differently.
If you find it creepy, then don’t look at them. And until you have been a grieving mother, you don’t get to be in a camp.
Hazel commented on Dec 18 11 at 11:45 amAnd there’s nothing whatsoever hypocritical about maintaining pro-choice views and not being fond of the Duggars. I don’t consider a nonviable fetus a child. Period. Therefore, if you miscarry one or abort one, it wasn’t a child; it was a potential child.
Further, if you appear on a reality show called, roughly, “Let’s See How Many I Can Pop Out,” you are asking for public criticism. Pro-choice people believe that children should be wanted and loved and cared for. I don’t approve of the way the Duggars assign responsibility for toddlers to their older daughters. It’s their own choice to have that many children, so they alone should be responsible for their care, not their other children.
And Michelle is rather clearly not reproducing responsibly. The previous child was born too early and faced many health problems as a result. This one was miscarried. What will happen the next time? How many more times will this woman get pregnant at an advanced age and with a myriad of pregnancies already?
That is not responsible childbearing, which is what being pro-choice is all about.
Hazel commented on Dec 18 11 at 11:46 amHey, my mother has lost a teenage son and has a fullterm stillbirth. She thinks it’s creepy too. So her opinion trumps yours, Jackie.
steph commented on Dec 18 11 at 12:04 pmYou changed my mind a little. I had stayed away from the whole thing because I think it is a little creepy to view photos of dead people who are not loved ones. I also was under the impression that they initiated contact with the media, which I considered exploiting their dead baby/fetus. My husband actually worked in a hospital where he did handprints of deceased children for their families and I thought it was beautiful. What still bothers me, though, is that I think sharing them with the world was a little bizarre.
Heidi commented on Dec 18 11 at 12:06 pmBravo, Katie, bravo. When did it become acceptable to be mean, to be hurtful? There has always been a certain segment of the population that thrives on being judgmental but since the advent of the internet we seem to be in the business of one-upping one another, forgetting that there are real people involved.
Lori commented on Dec 18 11 at 12:10 pmFinally, something I’m truly entitled to have an opinion about, having had a stillborn baby at 6 1/2 months of pregnancy.
I’m confused about the terminology used for Jubilee, even by the Duggars themselves. Any baby that dies at 20 weeks or later is a stillbirth, not a miscarriage. I’ve spent the past 14 years (since my own loss) correcting people on that and now I feel like everyone has taken a huge step back.
I have a few, low-quality polaroids of my daughter. How I wish that I could have had some beautiful, high-quality pictures of her. There’s nothing strange or weird about it, and for many months after her death I was comforted by looking at her picture.
I do feel that pictures like that are very, very personal. I showed mine only to my immediate family and certainly did not circulate copies of them around. So in that I would disagree with the Duggars, but I already have felt that their lives are way too public (regardless of how many children they have) and I guess this is just the same way they treat the rest of their lives.
Grief used to be a really personal thing, but that has changed in the past 100 years. In many ways the changes are good; people are more likely to share their own feelings (and work through them) when they hear similar stories from other people.
In particular, Katie, reading about your grief journey over Henry has been eye-opening and sometimes soul-searing. And yet I would never personally choose to share my own grief in that way.
Different strokes, I guess. I really like when people can hold both of these thoughts at the same time: “It’s not the way *I* would do it, but it’s okay for someone else to do it that way if they want.”
geri a commented on Dec 18 11 at 12:14 pmone more thought. i do think that when you invite a television crew into your private life for money, or because you have an agenda, or whatever reason, you are opening yourself to public criticism of how you conduct that life, and the decisions you make. in the case of “reality” tv, this is not collateral celebrity that comes from the way you earn your living, as happens with actors or sports figures, politicians, etc. People like the duggars and gosselins, etc. have made the decision to let their private lives become public, willingly, and that decision naturally invites people’s opinions on how they conduct their life and the decisions they make. that being said, how someone memorializes a dead loved one, or handles their grief might be an area where others opinions are best kept to themselves.
Margie commented on Dec 18 11 at 12:21 pmWell said, Katie! Thank you for your clarity.
Sherri commented on Dec 18 11 at 12:23 pmExcellent, Katie. As a mother who lost a CHILD at 20 weeks, who took picture of that CHILD, had that CHILD baptised and buried, I can honestly say to those who have never been there – lucky you. We have so little to treasure from a life that changed ours forever. To take and keep (and share if you wish) pictures is a precious gift and if people have an issue with it, then they know what they can do with their opinion. I am also pro-choice. But that fact didn’t turn my child into a ‘miscarried fetus.’ Contradiction is all around us and this is not a political issue, people. This is a family creating memories with a baby they loved and lost. Go pick on someone else.
Katie Allison Granju commented on Dec 18 11 at 12:24 pmLori, first, I am so, so sorry for your loss :-(
Thanks for offering your views on this. I do disagree with your assertion that grief used to be highly personal and has become more public. In fact, in American life, it’s just the opposite. Grief & mourning used to be far more public, and grieving family members were expected to publicly announce their loss in all kinds of ways that are no longer considered acceptable. For example, women who had lost a spouse or child were entitled to dress entirely in black and skip out on all social obligations for at least one year. Their grief was on display an publicly acknowledged. Today, a woman whose child or spouse dies is expected to be back at her desk or on the assembly line with no change in her behavior or countenance within a week or two after the funeral. In previous generations, public funeral processions wound through communities – an immensely public grief display. Now you hardly ever even see the formalized processions from church to burial site. Also, women in particular were once allowed to literally wail and moan over a child’s coffin or burial site, in full view of all. Now, we are expected to be discreet an tasteful in our displays of grief.
Ellyn commented on Dec 18 11 at 12:33 pmIt’s nobody’s job to judge whether the Duggar’s childbearing is “responsible”. A pro-choice person who claims someone is not “reproducing responsibly” is pretty hypocritical in my eyes. Isn’t the cry of the pro-choice movement, “It’s my uterus!” Exactly! It’s Michelle’s uterus. She should be able to do with her uterus as she pleases without any camp mouthing off.
Clisby commented on Dec 18 11 at 12:34 pm“For example, women who had lost a spouse or child were entitled to dress entirely in black and skip out on all social obligations for at least one year.”
I think you mean women who were affluent enough not to have to work were entitled to this. I have a hard time imagining that laundresses or scrubwomen or textile workers or prostitutes had that luxury. They had to get their asses back to work or starve.
JennG commented on Dec 18 11 at 12:45 pmI’m not a Duggar fan, but I agree with Katie.
My daughter died four days after birth. We opted to have a funeral with an open casket. Some people were indeed upset, and that’s their emotional response and fine and… Really not my problem. We made our choices for particular reasons: our baby was part of our family, hugely anticipated by own clan, and we wanted to share that reality, including her small but perfect little features. The Duggars may or may not have a pro-life agenda (or the person who tweeted) but frankly…I am pro-choice, but consider it part of that ethical framework to be willing to sit with the reality of what that means. I do not appreciate fake photoshopped babies or lies about gestational age or viability. But a picture of what really happened? No big deal.
I’m not really sure what people mean by “creepy” in this context. I think mostly they mean it makes them confront loss visually. Then don’t click.
Katie Allison Granju commented on Dec 18 11 at 12:59 pmClisby, I’ll do a little research. My impression is that in the 19th century and previously, the wearing of some visible symbol of mourning crossed class lines.
Monica Bielanko commented on Dec 18 11 at 1:00 pmPhotos of dead people make me uncomfortable, period. That said, I encourage anybody to grieve in the way that makes sense to them. I don’t feel like voicing my opinion – that photos of the dead make me uncomfortable – should be construed as judging how someone grieves. I can respect someone’s choice to grieve in whatever way they need to and still not be comfortable with it. Can’t I? Or is the very act of me voicing my discomfort disrespectful?
Michelle commented on Dec 18 11 at 1:05 pmI hope no one will assign me to Hazel’s camp, since she expressed her opinion of the Duggars and other commenters so viciously. I will try to express my feelings more gently: Since the Duggars take full responsibility for the support of all their children, I do not criticize them for having many. But it does show a certain imprudence that leaks through elsewhere: Getting pregnant in another high-risk pregnancy so soon after the last. Turning one’s home life into a reality show. Then turning around and demanding privacy for a family event. Whether or not the Duggars knew their relative planned to tweet the photos, prudence suggests that they should have realized the photos would enter the public arena if shared at the memorial. So, they should accept some share of the responsibility for that.
As for taking photos of one’s deceased child in the first place, and the Duggars child WAS a child no matter how old she was at death, I leave that to the grieving parents to decide. Personally, I find the idea of “memorial photos” of dead bodies to be repulsive and would not do it myself. I don’t consider that to be on par with saving locks of hair or hand/footprints. But I also would not dream of hurting already grieving parents by deriding them for feeling differently.
geri a commented on Dec 18 11 at 1:05 pmclisby, whoever you are, i always like how you can see another layer in things. indeed, the laundresses or scrubwomen, etc. maybe could have dressed in black, but they were back to work or starving, for sure. katie, you bring up a great point about how open displays of grief can make people very very uncomfortable. and people do forget. about 6 mos. after our son died, someone at work said to my husband “oh gosh, that’s right, i forgot your son died” when he asked why my husband was so down one day. that really stung my husband, even though we both realize that because this is the most significant thing that has happened in our life doesn’t mean it is in other’s lives, or that they will even remember. and truth be told, i have forgot things like that about other people too.
Artemisia commented on Dec 18 11 at 1:09 pmNot a Duggar fan at all, for any number of reasons. But that’s immaterial – it’s cruel and ugly to criticize how anyone mourn their child. As you point out, it’s about what comforts the parents – not what makes anyone else feel comfortable or validated.
I do question the wisdom of posting the pictures on their public website, though. When it was a rogue shot that only the tabloid sites were posting, there was a sense that the family’s privacy had been violated and only losers would look or comment. Once the Duggars posted it, it made it fair game for a lot more people.
My first reaction to this story was man, what a complete idiot that cousin Amy must be, but in the context of a family that is so public, keeping something that would be OBVIOUSLY private in any other family isn’t the default.
misha commented on Dec 18 11 at 1:09 pmThe wonderful organization, NILMDTS, did the photos for the Duggars.
You can read up on the good works of these people here-http://www.nowilaymedowntosleep.org/events/article/260/
There are local photographers in every city of the US who donate their time.There are literally thousands of blogs and sites (written by grieving Mama’s) dedicated to the very tragedy. If journalists or those “who find this creepy” would do a Google search, you will find that this has become *the norm* almost. Chronicling by photograph and also holding services.
We always need to remember, funerals are for the living-it begins the experience of living without that person and learning to cope.When I lost my son, at birth, 12 years ago I would have welcomed the opportunity to read the journals of other women who had also walked this road.
I almost died as a result of this horrific experience. The nurses, who dealt with me for the following three weeks, (as I underwent 3 surgeries and subsequently was not able to get pregnant again-therefore I have no children) could have all used a course on dealing in grief. As one RN told me, “It’s not like you *knew* him or anything!” Yes, I did know him.
And that was exactly what I wrote to the hospital after being released.That the OB-GYN staff at that particular hospital really needed a better understanding on how to deal with families and grief.Thank God, that in the 12 years since, the medical community has come a long way in their perception of infant and fetal loss.
I am pro-choice. I am also pro-choice in how one chooses to grieve and honor what they lost.
jzzy55 commented on Dec 18 11 at 1:21 pmI don’t find the idea of these dead baby photos gross AND I have no interest in looking at them. I threw away the one ultrasound I had of my fetus that miscarried at 12 weeks 19 years ago. I just asked myself if I wish I still had it and the answer was definitely “ew, no.” I have minimal experience with dead bodies of any kind and as a result feel quite squeamish about them, of whatever age or condition.
BUt I also agree that the Duggars have made themselves into a public entity and therefore they cannot object to people having reactions and responses to their choices that they don’t agree with. It’s all publicity and isn’t that what their family business lives off?
Kirsty commented on Dec 18 11 at 1:21 pmMy first daughter died in utero at just about 21 weeks and here in France, the “cut-off” point is 22 weeks. However, I was (obviously) distraught and didn’t realise that their “22 weeks” meant “22 weeks of amenorrhea”, not since conception, so in fact my little girl *should” have been considered a stillbirth (at almost 23 weeks of amenorrhea). Instead, I was told, when I asked what would happen to her, that she would be “incinerated with the other abortion waste”, and my world fell apart all over again. That was in July 2000 and I have NEVER gotten over it. That horrible, horrible phrase will haunt me for the rest of my life. A seemingly endless string of adminstrative screw-ups followed and I didn’t manage to get hold of any further information till my second daughter was 8 months old (2 years later). At that time, I was given two photos taken the day of my first daughter’s autopsy, 4 days after she died (she died on 13 July, the 14th is the national holiday, everything was delayed). The pictures are, objectively, deeply disturbing. She has discoloured and looks terribly, terribly dead. But I treasure them, and look at them every year on 13 July. I totally get the wanting photos part – and I wish with all my heart that I had photos of her on the day she was born, so tiny yet so unbelievably perfect. The 4-day-old photos are all I’ve got – she couldn’t be given an official name, or buried, or even included on administrative documents. Essentially, for French admin purposes, she never existed – so I’ll take them.
But I’ve never shared them with anyone. Even her father (now my ex) didn’t like to look at them and told me they were “sick”.
I feel no affinity with the Duggar family and do not agree with many of their decisions. Buy I respect their decisions, particularly the fact of having taken these pictures. I do, however, think publishing them was a mistake – albeit initially an unintentional one. I can’t see how publishing these photos will help poor Michelle come to terms with her loss. But if that’s what she wants to do, then why not? No one is being forced to look at them…
I send her my sympathies and wish her and her family all the best this Christmas, despite how much I disagree with their choices. Losing a child is losing a child, regardless of the circumstances, and no one should have to hear mean comments at such a time.
tracie d commented on Dec 18 11 at 1:31 pmI respect her decision. It wouldn’t be my decision (to share the pictures), but I would also never put my children in the spotlight of a reality show. Or a blog for that matter (ha!). But I understand that a lot of people make a living doing that and I respect that, too.
Stephanie Robinson commented on Dec 18 11 at 1:33 pmI would like to applaud you for this wonderfully compassionate article. THANK YOU!
geri a commented on Dec 18 11 at 1:53 pm@monica bielanko-i read what you wrote, and it was not disrespectful, i think you mentioned more than once that you have no experience with this, but do still have thoughts on it. maybe that is what bothers those of us who have lost a child, people who haven’t experienced it giving their opinions on how we should handle this. i realize we all give our opinions on lots of topics that we have no personal experience with, every single one of us. and even though i have lost a child, i only know what it means and is like to me to lose my child, not what it is like for everyone who has lost a child, what it means and feels like to them. so maybe the thing to do is for us all to stop giving our opinions on things that aren’t strictly ours, cuz even if we do it gently, it is still us giving thoughts on someone else’s stuff. but….of course…..that’s not going to happen. so i guess if we are all going to do it anyway, the most we can hope for is we do it in a way that doesn’t hurt others, at least not intentionally, and with the disclaimer (that you did put!) that although we don’t know what it is like to be that person or don’t understand what they did…..we do have an opinion on it.
{sue} commented on Dec 18 11 at 1:54 pmActually, I find it remarkable that Michelle Duggar had 19 kids who are free of disabilities. I don’t know how many miscarriages she has had, but based on the number of children she has and how close they are together, she appears to more than beat the statistics on those too. She also has a way better than average track record on premature births. My own reproductive history is not nearly so successful and I have had far fewer pregnancies.
No one, absolutely NO ONE can know how they will feel about a situation like the one Michelle has just gone through unless they have been there. And from those who have been there, I have heard much praise and thanks for the organization Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep.
My thoughts go to the Duggars at this time. I have also planned a memorial service such as this and it’s a very personal choice on how to grieve and heal and move forward as a family.
Lori commented on Dec 18 11 at 2:10 pmThank you for your condolences, Katie. Very appreciated.
I think what I meant to say was that the expression of feelings of grief used to be more private. There were more outward signs of grieving (although only in some cultures, not in others) but feelings were not expressed. People did not sit around discussing their grief, writing books about it, or blogging about it.
I had many women my mom’s age tell me that after a miscarriage or stillbirth, their doctor, family, and friends urged them to forget about it and move on. In contrast, when my daughter died, I was encouraged to talk about her and cherish her memory openly.
Thank you for pushing me to qualify my comment :)
Sarah W. commented on Dec 18 11 at 2:27 pmTotally, totally agree, Katie.
Gabby'sMommy commented on Dec 18 11 at 2:29 pmKatie, thank you for sharing this. I agree — Michelle Duggar’s choices concerning grieving her child and sharing her child’s life are just that…her choices. She has a right to her choices, and she should be commended for holding true to her beliefs no matter what the circumstances.
When I was 18 or 19 weeks pregnant with my daughter (in 2009), a less-than-compassionate perinatologist told my husband and me that the only thing we could do at that point was to abort her because she would never have a normal life…if she “even managed to live to be born alive, which was statistically insignificant.” My child was alive at that moment…how do I know it? Because I could feel her. I could see her on the ultrasound. And I damn sure knew she was pulling nutrients from my body, so that was definitely supporting life. Losing her…either through a medical choice or through a “natural” loss…would have literally devastated me beyond anything I can even imagine. My grief at the mere thoughts of losing her then was almost insurmountable. She defied the odds and is living today – and she is independent and stubborn and absolutely perfect in spite of the multiple health problems her body faces. That was my choice and I will always be happy I made it.
Devoted mothers make choices every single minute of every single day — and only that mother, an no one else, can know what is the absolute best choice for her child…children…family.
Thanks again, Katie, for your wise words.
Been There commented on Dec 18 11 at 3:03 pm@Monica B. “Photos of dead people make me uncomfortable, period.”
Monica, you always had a choice of whether or not to view them. And it wasn’t a picture of a dead person. It was a photo of the baby’s tiny hand, held by her mother. They way you keep talking about it makes it sound like they placed a picture of a dead body on the internet, sent you a link and forced you to view it. And you are not just saying they make you uncomfortable, you declared from your perch that what the Duggars did was distasteful. You made snide comments about them placing the memorial service card on their webpage. Look, I’m ok with your opinion. This is the internet. But instead of trying to deflect the criticisms you received, just embrace your criticisms. You judged the Duggars, people judged you for judging the Duggars. That’s just how live works.
@Katie: My feelings of esteem for you grew by leaps and bounds, so much I am having a hard time even finding the words to express just how moving and beautiful your essay was.
I’ve lost a baby at the 20 weeks. He was born alive but only lived about 5 minutes. I do have photos and in the months following his loss, they were the only thing that kept me going. I slept with his one and only baby blanket and the pictures were under my pillow. I felt they saved my sanity, because I had something tangible of him that I could see and feel. And when you lose a baby, you lose so much.
I only showed the pictures to anyone who asked, and not too many did, but that was ok with me. We had a small graveside funeral. My family came, they loved on me. It also helped save me.
And then several years after the baby died I heard the song “Smallest and Wingless” by Craig Cardiff and it helped heal me. If anyone reading this gets a chance, I think you would be so blessed to hear that song on Youtube.
dear one we’ve been waiting for you.
thrilled, beside ourselves you’ve arrived.
white coats came in heads held low.
talked for a bit, shuffled outside.we closed the curtains, held each other and cried.
said hello at the same time we said goodbye.smallest and wingless
leaving as soon as you arrived.
sadness is just love wasted
with no little heart to place it inside.we closed the curtains held each other and cried.
said hello at the same time we said goodbye
E. commented on Dec 18 11 at 3:18 pmThank you, thank you a million times for writing this.
Anna commented on Dec 18 11 at 3:19 pmAgreed that everyone grieves in their own way and people should be left to do so in private. But these people scoff at ‘privacy’. It’s very hard to not be cynical and not to assume they did it for publicity. Especially combined with the fact that TLC will be airing a two hour special about the miscarriage. I think that’s what give people a bad taste in their mouth, not the fact that actual pictures were taken. I know that’s the case for me…
Jessica commented on Dec 18 11 at 3:23 pmBeautifully stated. Just beautiful. Thank you.
Sarah G commented on Dec 18 11 at 3:39 pmKatie, I asked my husband about mourning clothes (he is a professor of English History at an elite university), he says most working women usually had only one dress and did not wear mourning. Mourning dress was worn by middle-class and wealthy women. Also, it wasn’t really an entitlement, it was more of an elaborate, codified requirement of women. For exmaple, if your husband’s brother died you had to wear full mourning for a year, half mourning for 3 months, etc. There wasn’t really any choice for women in the middle/upper classes as to how they mourned. Cheers, Sarah
felicitas commented on Dec 18 11 at 3:53 pm@monica, I get your point and I see that you wanted and tried to be respectful. My own personal opinion is that some opinions should just not be shared. I think for some topics, just the act of stating that someone else’s choices make you uncomfortable IS passing judgment. We all make choices that we think are best for us, from how to feed our babies to how to mourn them when they pass before their time. Personally, even if it made me uncomfortable I would never voice that, just as I wouldn’t tell another mother that her choice to breast feed or not made me uncomfortable no matter how respectfully I tried to put it. How it makes you feel is not important, it’s how it makes HER feel that matters, and if taking photos of her dead child comforts Michelle Duggar than I wouldn’t say boo no matter how weird or distateful I thought it was.
But I want to say that I know you were coming from a place of respect with your post and you clearly didn’t mean or want to hurt anybody.
Jill commented on Dec 18 11 at 3:59 pm“The fact that those photos of Jubilee Duggar’s little foot and hand might make other people uncomfortable – people who didn’t just have their child die – isn’t the point … In fact, expressing our own preferences or tastes in criticizing the way another parent chooses to memorialize her recently dead child strikes me as being in far worse taste than anything the bereaved parent might have done.” I agree 100%. I wanted to make this point in response to Monica Bielanko’s babble post and blog (and others I have read recently), but didn’t have the writing skills to make it as eloquently as you just did. Thanks.
Cath Young commented on Dec 18 11 at 4:40 pmI have no opinion about those pictures and no interest either beyond the right of anyone to take such pictures and post them if they so please.
I miscarried once, and the trauma of it was beyond my comprehension. Medically, it was practically a non event needing no medical attention at all. But I went into a depression that was terrible. Hormones was the explanation. But I can tell you that I was ever so sad, and seeing an infant or a pregnant woman would start my tears. I had no control over it.
jzzy55 commented on Dec 18 11 at 4:41 pm“TLC will be airing a two hour special about the miscarriage. I think that’s what give people a bad taste in their mouth, not the fact that actual pictures were taken. I know that’s the case for me…”
Nobody forces you to aim the remote and press any particular buttons (at least not in my house). I won’t be watching and I recommend that anyone else who find this just not their cup of tea to be doing something else.
Kimberley commented on Dec 18 11 at 5:10 pmI’m 19 weeks pregnant and I would be heart broken if we lost our baby. Both my partner and I are Atheist and pro-choice, but our pregnancy is very much a baby to us. Though the Duggars choose to live a very different life than I have chosen, it’s their life to choose to do with as they see fit, they aren’t hurting anyone.
Katie Allison Granju commented on Dec 18 11 at 6:57 pmJust so everyone knows, I respect and just adore Monica & know her to be an incredibly compassionate and kind person. As because she’s my friend, I asked her if it would be okay if I blogged my dissenting opinion on this sensitive topic before I did it, and she was respectful enough to give me the go-ahead, which I really appreciate. Monica Bielanko is good folks. – Katie
Claire R commented on Dec 18 11 at 7:45 pmSo anxious to read all the comments which I cannot do right now, but wanted
To thank you, Katie, for the spirit of you post: don’t be mean. Be nice.
Georgia commented on Dec 18 11 at 7:49 pmMourning clothing, jewelry and embroideries were all a part of the 18th and 19th centuries. It was very common to have hair jewelry made or floral arrangements made out of the hair of someone who passed. Rings and brooches were the more common forms of morning jewelry made although I have also seen examples of earrings and bracelets.
In the late 18th and early 19th centuries, weeping willows were used as symbols of death and often will be seen in jewelry as well as in embroidered pictures usually featuring the weeping willow trees, a monument and a mourner. Often, the monument would be enscribed by embroidery with the name and date of the person lost or a general mourning piece would be made with room left to list the names and dates of the departed.
Concerning the mourning jewelry, I have also seen rings that were a skull with ruby eyes all the way to coffin shapes with names and dates added. Death was a cruel and common happening and whether through miniature portraits, hair jewelry or a mourning brooch- it was customary to keep something nearby or on your person as a remembrance.
Once photography became fairly inexpensive, it became the natural progression for remembrances.
While I have no children of my own, I find it very disconcerting that someone other than the parents decides so clinically as to whether or not a pregnancy that does not go to term and affixes a name of fetus or miscarriage or baby. I believe such matters should be left to the parents to decide. If they want to have a funeral, so be it. If they choose not to have one, so be it. And, if they wish to take pictures, then, again, so be it. It is not my place to tell anyone else their pregnancy didn’t matter and their child, whom they were unable to physically carry to term, didn’t exist to the world. The child existed to the parents and the family and that’s all that should be considered.
Jennifer Fink commented on Dec 18 11 at 9:27 pm1) I personally found nothing offensive about the Duggar’s decision to photgraph their child, or to share the photos at the memorial service
2) After looking at the Victorian photos, I actually think they had a much better perspective on grief and death than we do. They were allowed to publicly cherish their decreased and mourn their loss; we somehow expect people to “get over it.”"
Michele commented on Dec 18 11 at 10:28 pm“…how hypocritical I find it that so many other women who would go to the mat to defend my right NOT to have children are so nasty in their criticisms of another woman’s choice to have lots of children.”
Wow, Katie, you summed my feelings about this topic in a way that I could never have done. Perfection. I lost a baby at 20 weeks the same way Michelle Duggar did. Routine 20-week ultrasound, the first “big” one…and no heartbeat. I made choices very different from hers – I chose to be induced and deliver vs. just “waiting for it to pass” as she did – I did not have the mental strength for what to me would have been worse torture vs. doing it right then and there. I, like you, have had several first trimester miscarriages, but a second trimester stillbirth (for me) was incomparable. I lay in the hospital an entire night waiting for her to be born and crying for ten hours straight – I felt like I was losing my mind with grief, like I was falling off a cliff. And I’ll say it, I truly don’t feel that any woman who has not been through this should have an opinion on it, or how a mama chooses to handle it. You have no idea the places your mind goes during a tragedy such as this. I chose not to have a funeral or legally name the baby – I did have her christened by the hospital chaplain and they took a picture. The hospital had special nurses and a special room just for this type of delivery, and with their experience they knew that for closure down the road doing some of these things are important. They gently talked me into it, and I was so grateful a few weeks later to know that she had been christened, and to have the little memory book and the photo, which I kept to myself and have in a box in my hope chest.
Many of the same people complaining about Michelle Duggar’s case with have a fit if someone expressed ANY judgement or opinion about a woman’s choice to have a second or third term abortion. Why can’t we all just support each other as women and respect each other’s choices? Until you’ve walked a mile in my shoes, don’t judge…and I won’t judge you for your choices.
Christine McDow commented on Dec 18 11 at 10:42 pmIn 2007 I lost a baby in my second trimester. It is heartbreaking. Carrying your child, feeling them move, being told they have passed, delivering your dead baby and having to say goodbye is not a feeling you can put into words. Probably much like holding your 18 year old as he dies. Words can not explain how that would feel and if a person had not been through it they would never understand how it feels. I also have pictures of my baby and she will never be forgotten. I think the people who are being mean and judgmental toward the Duggars are just cruel. They also clearly have never lived through the heartbreak of loosing a child (at any age). They are just small minded and incredibly immature.
Kitty commented on Dec 18 11 at 10:48 pmI have two children. I’ve had 4 (before 12 weeks gestation) miscarriages.
My son’s girlfriend miscaried at 12 weeks last month. My daughter is pregnant. This is her third pregnancy.
The loss of a wanted pregnancy can be a terrible thing. NO one knows exactly how they’re going to react till they go through it, and no one knows what is right for *them* to go through to get to the other side of grief *except* them.
Do i think the young woman who tweeted the picture initially was not thinking things through, how people may react? Unfortunately, yes. There’s been enough said publicly about the Duggar family that there should have been a lot more consideration. At the same time, I think the photos taken were tasteful and will probably bring a lot of comfort to the family as they grieve their loss and rejoice at the fact she was here at all.
Thank you for writing this. We dont have to agree with everyone’s every decision, but we SHOULD respect each other’s grief.
Monika commented on Dec 18 11 at 10:51 pmI personally find nothing offensive about the Duggar photographs; they are quite lovely. I can understand and respect their need to mark and remember this life; forgetting about her would be worse somehow.
In fact, they are far from alone in their desire for a photograph of their dead child, as the photos in question were snapped by a volunteer photographer from the group “Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep”. There are many other parents in the United States who have used the services of this group to help them grieve and mark the lives of babies who have died too soon.
There is nothing “weird”, or “creepy” about it, as wanting to remember them is a natural human instinct. And if the child was so premature, so young, that there could be no other portrait, at least there is this. Anyone who chooses to criticize this impetus is simply disrespectful (that TMZ, that bastion of morons with the mentality of callous and giggling teenage bullies got their hands on these pictures is unfortunate and cruel).
Nothing should impinge on the parents’ decision about how to mourn and remember their child. Definitely not the fear of scorn and derision from others in their community. It is my fear that the backlash against the Duggars will make other parents afraid to take such photographs, and intimidate them into the misguided belief that they are somehow wrong.
We are so divorced from real life and death in our contemporary North American cocoon. We don’t know what it means to live without modcons like running water, central heating, and modern obstetrics. Thankfully, we don’t know anymore what it is to lose a child to a flu outbreak, or measles. But all of this has conspired to make us squeamish about facing death.
When I was in grade 5, one of my classmates was killed, run over by his school bus. My beloved grade 5 teacher bussed us all to the funeral home to see him lying in his casket. I can’t tell you what peace that brought me — then and now. Imagining the worst, and then seeing my friend lying there, his body peaceful. Nowadays of course, no teacher would be able to do it — parents would be complaining to the school I don’t doubt. But it was a very wise and humane thing to do, and I am very, very grateful to my teacher for having done it.
Beautiful post Katie.
Lindsey commented on Dec 18 11 at 10:53 pmLook, man. Turn on any news channel and you will see a million people talking about things they haven’t personally experienced. We have never been members of congress but we talk about what they might do. It’s what we do, it’s how we think, how we dream, how we process. Stepping all over Monica about her article is ludicrous. Katie is right, Monica is good people. Also that Hazel girl is nasty mean. The whole spirit of Katie’s article is to love one another and she just spews a bunch of hate? Sometimes the Internet makes me tired.
Hazel commented on Dec 18 11 at 11:07 pmOh please. A “bunch of hate”? Give me a break. I stated my opinion, just as the blog author did. There’s no hate in it, just honest dissent from the usual tiresome “let’s support other mamas no matter what” schtick.
I wonder how you delicate flowers actually exist in the real world if you construe my posts as “hate” and “nasty mean.” (Great writing there too.) Don’t click on actual news sites as opposed to mommyblogs or you might expire from the “hate.”
Stephanie Hartman commented on Dec 19 11 at 12:08 amCan someone please point out to me where it has been announced that TLC is doing a 2 hr special on this? All I see are snarky comments in response to TMZ and other sites’ posts about the pictures where people are saying “Oh just wait til TLC does a 2 hr special.” I have yet to see any factual statement/announcement/press release. Seems to me like perhaps some people have that aspect of the story wrong.
Pam commented on Dec 19 11 at 12:46 amOf course it’s their personal choice, but their choice to lead such a public life makes me wonder how much their reality television show influenced their mode of grieving. Did they memorialize their first baby miscarried the same way, before they were “celebrities?” I’m sure they’re heart broken and affected by the negative comments, but isn’t this collateral damage typical for the really grotesque business of reality TV? You don’t have to have been through a miscarriage to wonder that.
stacie commented on Dec 19 11 at 7:19 amGreat post…well stated Katie, as always you have such a kind heart, wish some of the commentors on here were the same, some make me ill.
Blackgirlinmaine commented on Dec 19 11 at 9:24 amGood post! I am not fan of the Duggars for a myriad of reasons, but a mother and a family have the right to grieve in any manner they need to and it’s not my place or anyone else’s to judge it. Problem is that while technology and social media have allowed us to “know” people we really don’t know them.
Suzanne commented on Dec 19 11 at 9:43 amI have no opinion about one photographing a deceased child, or any loved one. It does seem to me to be disrespectful to that child to, in effect, fling the child’s memory into the world of tabloids and ugliness. Perhaps the Duggers were naive, but once the photos were passed out they were bound to be fodder for public discussion. A certain amount of care was not unreasonable.
I think the Duggers have no one to blame but themselves for this discourse.
Also, I believe that they have every RIGHT to continue to conceive babies that almost certainly will not be born without significant problems, if they are born at all. That is their right, but at what point does a moral regard for potential suffering of those infants (or whatever term one would like to use) come into bearing? I don’t believe it’s fair for them to place the burden of their decisions on their child. They have a right to continue to conceive, but I have a right to feel they are being selfish by doing so.
Ayun Halliday commented on Dec 19 11 at 10:15 amI think time and a certain “that’s all there is” solemnity gives the Victorian mourning photos added sadness and beauty. Those children had few toys. Those parents had few – possibly no – photographs of their child or of the siblings posed together. Their society placed very strict limits on emotional expression, but this was an acceptable vessel.
I believe the Duggars should memorialize the child lost in any way they see fit, but the digital age exposes them to MUCH expression – some of it their own, some of it deliberately unkind and self-serving, some of it difficult to parse.
Perhaps the young cousin found the photos moving and believed in his or her inexperience that others universally would too…perhaps to someone that young, a tweet feels non-crass.
Not that it matters, but I found the photos to be beautifully composed. The photographer was using technology and skill to create something more than a snapshot. I saw them on the Duggar family’s site after reading this post. I wasn’t moved by them as I am by the Victorian photos, because the writing, and delivery of Michelle’s letter was not to my taste. It made me feel bad for her in a different way than I feel bad for her or anyone who loses a wanted pregnancy so far in…it made me feel like she had inadvertently created something that was nearly indistinguishable from a Saturday Night Live parody of its own self.
Seems like the Catch-22 price of fame… if your entire life is lived in the public eye, and something like this happens, it must feel like you’re leaving something out to – well, leave something this huge out. But people mocking it feels a lot meaner than when they mock your hairdo or your weight.
I agree with your statement that those of us who are staunchly pro choice must remember that choice includes a multitude of options. Unlike the Victorians, who had so few…
Katie Granju commented on Dec 19 11 at 10:21 amAyun, As always, you make me think. I appreciate your input.
As someone who lives in the same part of the country as the Duggars, and who has many friends, coworkers, and neighbors who share many of the Duggars cultural and faith traditions, I believe that your visceral response to the letter Michelle Duggar recorded and placed online along with the photos is a cultural one. What’s considered authentically beautiful and tasteful in one American subculture can be seen as campy or tacky by another, and I think we should recognize that in thinking thru our own responses to this whole thing. Does that make any sense? -Katie
Kerrie commented on Dec 19 11 at 10:34 amPerhaps Hazel will think that my opinion has validity as she is clearly playing a game of ‘Top Trumps’ about whose opinion she decides to count and appears to be ignoring any opinion that she doesn’t agree with!
This morning, after repeated scans, we were told at 18 weeks that our second child’s, our baby’s, heartbeat has stopped. I will give birth to her body in a couple of days time.
While I don’t hold to all of the Duggars’ beliefs, I can completely understand why they would wish to take photos of their daughter and why they would want to have her short life and death recognised. Jubilee Shalom was their daughter and always will be. Esther is my daughter and part of my family and always will be. I’m not sure if we will share photos of her with anyone else, but I will be glad to have them.
I do hope, Hazel, that you never need to deal with such an experience in your life, but if you do, I hope that the people around you can treat you with more grace and compassion that you have shown here.
Katie Granju commented on Dec 19 11 at 10:49 amKerrie,
Please accept our deepest condolences from everyone here at Babble on the loss of your little Esther. You will be in my thoughts and prayers during the coming days.
Love to you – Katie
Amy D commented on Dec 19 11 at 10:52 amWell said, Katie.
I lost my first daughter to a full-term stillbirth three years ago. We spent hours holding her with very close family, and took many photographs (how I wish I’d known about NILMDTS at the time). The pictures sustained me in the immediate weeks after. One of the hardest things about stillbirth, for me, was that after she died nothing changed – I’d spent nine months listening to well-meaning people tell me about how my life was to be radically altered, and then….nothing. The pictures helped assure me that Francesca was a real part of my life, for however short a time. I still carry them with me to this day.
I have chosen not to share the pictures, but a good friend who also had a stillbirth posted her daughter’s photo on facebook. To each his own – if you don’t like it, don’t look.
And FYI, we had a Catholic burial service, just as if she’d been born alive. This weekend we will visit her gravesite with flowers for Christmas.
Bearing commented on Dec 19 11 at 12:11 pm“Also, I believe that they have every RIGHT to continue to conceive babies that almost certainly will not be born without significant problems, if they are born at all…”
Are you suggesting that it is “almost certain” that each baby will be born with “significant problems?” this is a pretty amazing medical prediction. I would love to see some numbers proving that a grand multipara is more likely to give birth to an abnormal baby than a normal one, let alone it being “almost certain” that her babies will be abnormal.
I suspect you have invented your statistics in order to justify your sneer.
Amanda. L. commented on Dec 19 11 at 12:47 pmI’m 27 weeks pregnant with my first child and I cannot imagine the immense grief that I and my fiance, along with all of our friends and family who are anxiously awaiting the arrival of our baby, would experience if I were to lose the baby. And yes, from the moment we knew I conceived this was a baby. Not a fetus.
If she (we’ve known it’s a girl for several weeks now) were to die inside of me, I would savour every opportunity I had to hold her tiny body and take pictures. She would not stop being my beloved first daughter.
I can understand why the Duggars took pictures and I don’t think it’s creepy at all.My condolences to all of the women who have lost babies. It brings me to tears just imagining the pain, never mind experiencing it first hand.
Suzanne commented on Dec 19 11 at 4:11 pmYou’re correct, I misspoke. She ‘only’ has a 1 in 2 chance of miscarriage and an “extraordinarily high risk of having a baby with special needs”.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/12/12/michelle-duggard-should-consider-stop-having-children-doc-says/
I guess those odds justify the risk?
Anna commented on Dec 19 11 at 4:17 pmKatie,
I’ve been reading since just after Henry died and I love your writing and think you are amazing. This is one of the most moving things I’ve ever read from you (and that’s saying a lot because you often stir deep emotions in your writing). Fantastic.
Gabby'sMommy commented on Dec 19 11 at 4:49 pmKerrie,
I am so so very sorry for your loss. You are in my prayers.
Elyssa commented on Dec 19 11 at 5:02 pmI pretty much see the Duggars as extremely self-centered and not deserving of my respect, so how they choose to commemorate this event is really of no interest to me. But I’m not surprised that whatever they do ends up with tons of publicity.
Devora commented on Dec 19 11 at 5:26 pmKatie, you have such a way with words that you can take what someone has felt and verbalize it so well. Thank you so much for this post. I lost my little girl (Laila) at 20 weeks, the sad irony is we were scheduled for our first real sonagram 2 days after she was born. The hospital gave us a picture of her and her footprints and when people ask me, I say I have 3 children and leave it at that. I don’t watch the Duggars however I will not condemn them for their choice and as for people commenting on how many children they have they support each child and take no type of government assistance and our debt free how many people with just 1 child can say that. And Hazel this is not about trumping anyone’s loss experience trust me that is not a game I wish to win. We all share here, to all the other mother’s who lost you have my deepest condolences .
Chelsea commented on Dec 19 11 at 6:04 pmSince this is a “comment” section of this site I find it odd that there are some who can not stand to read an opinion that they do not agree with.
The word is called “respect” . We do not have to agree, but we should all respect the views of others.
I personally find it odd that a mother and father would want to look at there dead baby and take a photo for their “Family Album”.
Karvictho commented on Dec 20 11 at 7:28 amI highly doubt that if Michelle and I were friends in real life that Michelle would be interested in seeing a photo of my dead father’s foot being washed in preparation for his funeral. And why wouldn’t she be? Afterall, isn’t my father worthy of the same “respect” that Michelle accords her baby? I may be going out on a limb, but I think Michelle wouldn’t be interested because that type of memorial/celebration of a passing life if a personal event meant for close friends and family to come to terms with the passing of a friend/family member.
That Michelle and her husband have chosen to open to complete strangers the opportunity to be voyeurs and spectators on their most private family moments in exchange for money makes it no surprise that a scared moment like the death of a child they would continue to take money in exchange for yet another peak into an otherwise private family matter.
By the way, pro-choice is also pro-healthy choice. The child born before this miscarriaged one was born premature and suffered health problems as a result. Michelle has no doubt been told by doctors that that was an indicator that she is now risking the life of future children being born premature and disabled because Michelle is getting too old to keep child bearing.
She can use the excuse that God will instruct her and guide her…. but I do not understand why she isn’t getting God’s message to stop. Isn’t having a premature baby and experts telling you there are huge risks God’s way of sending her a message to stop?
As for how wonderful and healthy and happy all her existing children are because they have each other to raise themselves… I am waiting for the tell all book that these emotionally starved offspring will no doubt one day deliver. Pro-choice is also about not chosing to be stupid.
Johanna commented on Dec 20 11 at 8:10 amThank you, Katie, for bringing some kindness into the fray. I agree with you completely, and some of your points should be posted at every Planned Parenthood (I’m strongly pro-choice and chose to have four children, so I think what you wrote was brilliant). I thought the photos of the Duggar baby were quite lovely and certainly will be treasured by that family.
KK commented on Dec 20 11 at 10:00 amI work in the photography industry, Lay me down to sleep photos are much more common than people think. I’ve known mothers who were not sure about having it done at first but are very grateful they had it done down the road. I know people who have their lay me down to sleep pictures on the wall with the rest of their children’s baby pictures.
K. C. commented on Dec 20 11 at 10:17 amFar be it for me to judge how people choose to grieve. And a miscarriage is a huge loss, no matter if it’s the first child or the twentieth. Rest in peace, Jubilee, and strength to the Duggar family.
Steve commented on Dec 20 11 at 10:21 amHow can anyone respect someone who is making such a large carbon footprint and bringing more kids than they can properly educate into the world? Not one of these kids will make it to college, they will all end up being a bunch of losers and a drain on society.
Johanna commented on Dec 20 11 at 11:28 am@Steve — they actually are creating a relatively *small* carbon footprint by having so many people living in one home. They are training their children in professions that don’t require college. They live debt-free and no doubt will expect their children to do the same. I’m not a fan of their religious beliefs, and I can’t imagine that they are typical of most huge families, but they seem to be raising their children to be fine citizens of the world.
Trudi commented on Dec 20 11 at 12:01 pmI just wanted to say how refreshing your piece on the Duggar’s was to read. Also, thank you for sharing those thoughts with the public. Although I like you do not agree with their idea to have so many children, they are their children and they seem to be doing a good job with raising them. It is not for me to question or my concern…I thought their photos were touching and special….I had a friend who also lost a child and did the same thing with photos and a funeral / memorial service….everyone must grieve in their own way. Kudos to you and prayers for the Duggar family.
Akamat commented on Dec 20 11 at 12:59 pmNow are they going to stop having kids? Octomon caught nothing but Sh*% for having more than one kid. What makes the Duggars any different?
Denise commented on Dec 20 11 at 1:52 pmThanks for the article! I have read so much about the Duggars from people who have so many opinions and all of them come from people’s personal beliefs on what is right and wrong in regards to family planning. But it seems no one stops to think that the Duggars have their own beliefs about family planning which should not be dictated by what other people think is right or wrong. Like Katie said, to those who are pro-choice, when do you get to decide that its ok to end a pregnancy because a mother doesn’t want the baby, but not ok to have a lot of children because the mother DOES want her baby? Seems like a huge double standard. And I would guess the majority of those criticizing the Duggars for how many children they have are probably pro-choice to begin with.(Since a pro-lifer would respect life no matter how many of them one mother has produced)
Anyway, I am just glad to read an article written with intelligence on the subject and compassion for a family who is grieving no matter what anyone thinks of their personal choices to have children.
Oh and @Steve, College doesnt make someone successful or less of a burden on society = in fact, college often leaves people with debt they cannot pay off because there are no jobs in the field that they went to college for. It seems far better to teach their children a trade that they can get a job in that will sustain them rather then encourage them to rack up debt that they cannot pay off. And I wonder if you really know how terrible the public schools systems have become in this country (look at how we compare to other developed countries to get an idea) to think that a home schooled child is getting a worse education – in fact, many home school students are far more educated than their public school peers by the time they graduate (which for some is also years ahead of their public school counterparts). But its easy to judge because of your own personal bias isnt it?
Krystan commented on Dec 20 11 at 2:37 pmI’m not a huge fan of the Duggar family or their radical conservative views, but I deeply respect their choice to do this. It is unfortunate that now these private, special memories are all over the internet because of the callous actions of one family member. I don’t find them creepy, but even if I did, it is the choice of the Duggar family. My sister-in-law gave birth to a baby with severe genetic defects two months early, and knew that she would live only a matter of minutes. That baby had facial deformities, but those photos are some of their most cherished possessions because that baby was THEIR baby – even though they had known for months that she would not survive. She still grew inside the mother, and there was still a connection there. People can disagree with the Duggars all they want (and I do!), but I don’t understand how anyone can judge them or decry them for wanting some positive memory of the little girl they never got to know.
Nicole commented on Dec 20 11 at 2:49 pmI am pro choice but I wouldn’t support or “respect” a woman who had 19 abortions. Why is it hypocritical to be pro choice but also be somewhat disgusted by a belief system that forces a woman to have more children that any human being’s body is possibly equipped to handle? (yes i said forces, because anyone who does this must be under the control of religious extremism). I agree that they seem like very nice people (the little I’ve seen them), but that doesn’t mean i have to respect their decisions or religious views.
Lauren commented on Dec 20 11 at 2:54 pmKatie,
Thank you so much for writing this. My son was born at 22 weeks, and he lived for 2 hours. The hospital took picture in those hours, and possibly some in the minutes following. I will never know if the ones hanging on my walls are from when my son was alive or had already passed, as he looked the same in all of them. I hang them in my house along with his footprints, which I made into a tattoo and had drawn onto my own foot. The point is, when a baby dies that young, you cherish whatever time you had with them, whether they were born still, or lived and died within a day.
We have no right to criticize however a parent needs to grieve. Some, like above commenters, need to throw away ultrasound pictures and not think of it again. And others need pictures or mementos to remember the child. I have never watched the Duggars, but I respect their decision to name and photograph and grieve for their daughter. I just hope that all the people who are being cruel to them never have to go through that pain. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.
Joy commented on Dec 20 11 at 3:09 pmKerrie – I am so sorry for your loss.
BARBARA commented on Dec 20 11 at 3:46 pmFirst I want to express my sorry for their loss. I lost a child at age 6 and do understand how it feels. Although, I must say I do not agree with puttig pictures on line of their dead fetus. I believe that is a very private thing for family only. I feel bad, but can’t help wondering if somehow in someway money is involved. It is their choice to have as many children as they want, but ought to try to give the last baby the attention and love they need before popping out another one. It’s a bit obsessive.
Ellen Seidman commented on Dec 20 11 at 4:59 pmThis was so well said, Katie, and beautifully expressed. I agree with you: Families have the right to grieve however they choose. It is unfortunate that those photos were tweeted, but I think the Duggars handled it in the right way. Oh, and like you, I also have a certain fondness for that family.
Mary Spitzer commented on Dec 20 11 at 5:44 pmI am sorry for the loss of her child, however, nothing can make me feel that the Duggars would be having children like cats have kittens if every move was not on television. I do feel Michelle is exploiting her family and if she had put any thought into it, would have considered stopping the pregnancy train with the drama of the last child’s birth.
That being said, it is entirely up to the family individually as to how they want to express their grief at a life taken too soon. I just wish a little more thought would be put in to what would happen if something major did happen to Michelle as a result of a late life pregnancy.
Lyn Pence commented on Dec 20 11 at 6:07 pmJim Bob,Michelle & All the children,
I am so sorry for your loss. Have been praying for you and your family. Am praying that the Lord will fill you all with an overwhelming of peace and joy. God Bless You All and your precious little Jubliee who you will see again, in Heaven.
suburbancorrespondent commented on Dec 20 11 at 8:36 pm@Nicole – I am in no way a religious extremist (I’m a mainstream Jew, my husband is a middle-of-the-road Catholic); and I would not have hesitated to have as many children as I was allowed to bear. Some of us just LOVE to have babies and raise them and all that that entails. My childbearing years seem to be past; and while I treasure the 6 I have, I will always miss having a baby in my arms and a 2-year-old running around the house. The little ones just make life so special! I don’t see any need to judge someone for feeling that way, any more than I would judge another woman for NOT wanting more babies.
Amber @ Au Coeur commented on Dec 20 11 at 9:34 pmYou are spot on. I don’t think there is anything wrong with people photographing their lost babies — no matter at what stage. I have a good friend who is a L&D nurse and who handles the losses at our local hospital. She takes photographs for nearly every family, and I know that is very important for grieving mothers. Within the past year, we unfortunately had a mother on island who lost her baby at near full-term…39 weeks. A large part of the healing process for them was sharing the pictures of her face and sharing her name with the community. Unfortunately, our local paper decided that they would not post an obituary for the family because “the baby didn’t have a life.” Can you imagine being told that as the grieving mother? No matter your thoughts on the issue, we should all be allowed to grieve in our own way.
kc commented on Dec 20 11 at 10:22 pmWhile I’m not on board with having 19+ kids, the Duggars seem like a happy, kind, and loving family. The loss of a pregnancy is not something that is easy to get over. The letter to Jubilee is touching. I think it’s wonderful they took photos to remember their child, but I also think it’s hard they are in the public realm. I’ve had friends that lost babies in the 2nd and 3rd trimester, and like the Duggars named, and took photos to grieve, remember and celebrate.
Rebekah commented on Dec 21 11 at 7:08 amWhen a loved one dies, most people have many pictures of them – articles of clothing – various items. The picture of little Jubilee is the only “tangible” item the Duggars will have – she hadn’t used clothes, didn’t have a favorite stuffed animal – we as humans have a need to remember our loved ones (as well we should) – hence burial markers, memorials to war dead, saving Grandpa’s favorite hat, etc. Let the Duggars grieve – let them have their remembrance – anyway they feel the need to do so. Jubilee was loved and the pictures were taken out of love and that is a beautiful thing.
Kate commented on Dec 21 11 at 9:27 amAgreed.
Before I was a mom, a friend of mine showed me photos of her dead newborn. It made me uncomfortable, but I was polite. Now that I’m a mother myself, I understand those photos so so so much better. “Creepy” is a personal reaction, impossible to not have if that’s the reaction you discover in yourself, but the right thing to do is to keep it personal (unshared). If I were back looking at those photos now, I wouldn’t find them creepy at all…just sad and beautiful.
Lisa commented on Dec 21 11 at 10:50 amPeople in general are so mean and say anything they like without regard for others feelings or any empathy for a situation they have no experience with since the advent of the internet. Anonymity feeds their need to give their opinions about just about anything without personal responsibility for the pain they cause. It is very sad.
Brio9 commented on Dec 21 11 at 12:27 pmKatie: I think your article was well-written and I agree with what you’ve written.
To others: I watch the Duggars. I can’t say why, I just do. I don’t consider myself a Christian or the follower of any other organized religion and after trying a few out over the last 30 yrs, I’m certainly not looking for one.
I’m curious enough to learn and take others’ views into consideration without judgment (at least I do my best not to judge), but I do find judgmental and intolerant people very hard to tolerate. The bottom line is that I respect anyone’s right to believe whatever they choose to as long as they don’t try to shove it down my or anyone else’s throat or express any hateful or hurtful view of others for simply being who they are or believing as they do. I also believe it’s wrong to make assumptions about people based on their appearance. I have learned this from experience.
What I know about the Duggars is that they belong to a Christian sect called Quiverfull (as in, a Quiverfull of arrows). I know there was a time that they used contraception and around that time, Michelle suffered her first miscarriage. I don’t know all of the details, but I imagine it was very painful for them. As I understand it, it was around that time that they encountered the Quiverfull sect and, believing that the first miscarriage was due to their use of contraception, they have followed the Quiverfull practice of refusing to use it ever since and Jim-Bob and Michelle have testified to that. They also consider their TV show to be their “ministry” and wouldn’t be doing it otherwise. Unlike others who participate in “reality TV,” they are not in it for the money–they rent and maintain commercial properties and have other businesses that are the bulk of their income. I think if they came to the point where they realized that the show was no longer a ministry for them and no longer served that purpose, they would bow out and return to private life.
As for the controversy over the public display of their deceased daughter’s picture, etc: first of all, I have never had the misfortune of suffering a miscarriage, but I have heard that there has been a resurgence in this type of photography because it was found to be a comfort to the grieving parents. They simply have no other way to remember their deceased child and never having a picture can lead to intractable depression.
Those who call it “creepy” are, in my opinion, simply insensitive and utterly lacking in compassion and empathy. If it’s creepy to you, feel free to keep that attitude to yourself because as far as I’m concerned, that’s the only appropriate thing to do with an opinion and attitude as selfish as that.
You could not possibly understand what this family is going through and whether you do or don’t is beside the point. Grief is very personal and everyone has to deal with their grief in the way that works best for them. I have seen the picture of Michelle’s hand with Jubilee’s and listened to the 4m30s message that accompanied it and found it very touching. What surprised me is that she got through it without breaking down because I didn’t. Was that strength, courage, or the experience of having lost a child to miscarriage before? Perhaps a combination of these things. I do believe, knowing what the Duggars believe in and try to promote is that Michelle likely intended to offer the picture and message as a comfort to other mothers who have lost a child the same way and if so, I think her message is a beautiful tribute to Jubilee and to grieving parents.
I have no use for the ignorant opinions of those who don’t like the Duggars for whatever reason or simply don’t “get it.” I don’t care how many nasty people say terrible, monstrous things to try to ruin Michelle’s message and intentions. As for the National Enquirer, what else would you expect? Rubbish begets rubbish. Mean and nasty people will say mean and nasty things because that’s who and what they are.
It’s said that Amy (the kids’ cousin and Michelle and Jim-Bob Duggar’s niece) released this picture online. I cannot see Amy having any negative intentions any more than Michelle did by recording the message attached to it. If people want to see it as a negative thing and they fail to feel or hear the love, sorrow, and joy expressed in it, that’s their loss.
As for me, I cannot help imagining that if this turns out to be their last child, they saved the best name for last. My sorrow is that they gave such a joyful and appropriate name to a little girl who will forever remain silent. Appropriate in my mind because, being a Canadian, I think of this coming year being the 60th year–and therefore the diamond jubilee–of the reign of Queen Elizabeth II. A child named Jubilee should be heard like the horns trumpeting in Westminster Abbey to announce some momentous occasion. It’s the sort of name to give to a little girl who would be giggling with glee while running barefoot through a meadow, not resting silently beneath one.
It truly breaks my heart to think of that. They thought of the best name this time and they will only use it in soft whispers that bring a twinge of pain every time they hear it because they never truly knew her.
Finally, I hope that Jim-Bob and Michelle will realize that God does not necessarily give the message to cease procreating by ending fertility outright but by sending subtle messages that should not have to become a ceaseless roar of pain and sorrow for two dozen or more family members before they are finally heard.
This time it has come in the tears of some of the family’s children, who are hurting a lot over this. I believe that the parents have to consider the emotional needs of the whole family above church doctrine, which does not come from God, but from men who interpret scripture as they see fit, even to the point of making entire families miserable over a single verse. Entire religions and belief systems have been built over single bible verses, often leading people and their families to untold misery.
I never forgot the looks on the children’s faces when they first saw how tiny and sick Josie was when she was born so premature. To keep putting children through one trauma after another is too much. Eventually, Jim-Bob and Michelle have to realize that God is telling them in the eyes of their children that this is enough and it’s not fair to keep asking them to go through this kind of heartache.
Shannon commented on Dec 21 11 at 12:29 pmJust to clear the record, the Duggars didn’t intend to share these pictures with the world. They were leaked when a cousin tweeted them. After that happened, they decided to release them officially, since they were already out there.
So, no, they weren’t trying to stir up a bees nest, and they weren’t trying to gain publicity. In fact, when they announced that Jubilee had died, they asked for people to respect their privacy.
Lisa McMillan commented on Dec 21 11 at 12:48 pmThis is beautiful, well written article. Well said, Katie Granju! I’m glad I saw this.
Bobbie commented on Dec 21 11 at 1:24 pmThis is a beautiful, sensitive article, but I do not agree. Taking the pictures is very understandable and very appropriate but publishing for the world to see is exploiting your dead child for publicity. This family exploits their entire family for publicity, and, apparently, even their dead child. It does reak of pro-life propaganda too. I am not criticizing their grief. Also, they can have 50 kids for all I care. What I find disgusting is the fact that they make money off their children and their family. I agree with Hazel. It is completely ridiculous to be so public with your family and then whine when people are horrified by the fact that you publicized pictures of YOUR DEAD CHILD.
Heather commented on Dec 21 11 at 2:30 pmKatie, First I should say that I completely understand why you in particular feel sympathetic towards the Duggars, having lost your first born and publicly grieved him as you have. (Interesting that while you mentioned your miscarriages you did not mention Henry. That’s not at all a criticism– just an observation, as your post clearly addresses parental grief, which you know all too well, and tragically I might add.) The question I have is WHY did the Duggars choose to grieve SO VERY publicly? I completely understand why you went public with the circumstances of Henry’s death and posted pictures of him that might have made some people uncomfortable. You were seeking justice for Henry and you “resorted” to going public when the authorities were not doing their job. But why have the Duggars gone public? Publicity for their show? To further their brand? To imply (or “prove”?) that second trimester fetuses are “people”? There just seem to be many very plausible and, in my opinion unsavory, motivations that don’t have much to do with grief and THAT makes me uncomfortable.
Ralph Sheppard commented on Dec 21 11 at 2:52 pmThe IRS does not consider the fetus to be a child, unless irt draws one breath outside the mothers body. So do I. It is a fetus, and the action of this family is rediculous and does not consider any more comment.
AC commented on Dec 21 11 at 4:09 pmthank you for your strong and considerate defense of Michelle Duggar. I don’t personally share her pregnancy/parenting beliefs, but I lost a son six days after he was born last year, and I think everything you said was absolutely right. I’ve met several other mothers who have lost children and it has surprised me how vastly different everyone’s reaction to grief can be. My husband and I are very private so we wouldn’t share photos in a public manner like the Duggars have, but if that helps them in their grief, to take ownership of something they didn’t choose, then I think that’s completely fine.
I’d also add that when you are in the midst of grief, you make choices that you might not ordinarily make. Some things only make sense to you at the time. For example, I almost had an open casket during my son’s visitation (I’m from the South, like you), and then changed my mind at the last minute because I realized I didn’t want to make our friends and family uncomfortable. Now I wonder why I ever thought an open casket was a good idea, but at the time, in my grief, I didn’t see why people wouldn’t want to see a beautiful child who meant so much to his family. Now I understand, of course, and am glad I changed my mind, for the sake of our friends and family.
Basically, I’m just saying that Michelle Duggar’s actions aren’t as “weird” as they might seem to some.
Karen commented on Dec 21 11 at 4:16 pmKatie: Thank you, thank you for your gentle words so full of wisdom. How true that all of us are different–our experiences, our beliefs, our practices, our ways of expression. The older I get, the more I realize how much mercy I need to give others and how much I need to be allowed. That is why I, by MY own choosing, love the Lord Jesus so much, because my life has been totally changed by the mercy and grace freely given to me when I deserved it less than most anyone I know…the same attitude of mercy and grace and love you so eloquently spoke about in your article about Michelle and her family. Well said.
ChiLaura commented on Dec 21 11 at 4:50 pmI don’t watch the Duggars’ show. I figure that they support their own kids (the state doesn’t), and from everything I’ve heard, it sounds that they are raising good, caring children. I really don’t have any opinion about them.
The cynicism of all the critical comments about them “going public” with this really strikes me, though. Honestly, I imagine that them going public is actually a great comfort to other women who’ve lost a baby (or “fetus,” as you will). How many women and men want permission to name their baby and to remember a miscarriage or stillbirth as their own child, who they loved for a brief time, but aren’t given permission by our cynical culture that tells them, “it was just a fetus, and you didn’t even know it, so get over it”? So many of these comments above have the same tone. Whose business is it on how this family chooses to remember their child? Let it go, people.
Katie, thank you so much for such a lovely and deeply felt post.
Sara commented on Dec 21 11 at 7:04 pmThank you for a well writen and well said article. I have 3 children and one on the way. I could not fathom what Michelle Duggar is going through. My own brother died at the age of 18 and we kept his hair and his clothes he wore in his casket before he was cremated. Does that make us “creepy”? No, it makes us human. We loved my brother dearly and we felt that is what we needed at that time to help us cope with losing him. I still have the dress I wore to his funeral almost 16 years later…I will never let that dress go. I don’t plan on wearing it again, but I just cant let it go. People grieve in different ways and some people are more willing to share their grief with other people and some chose to be reserved. It is a choice we all should be able to make without judgement. I probably wouldnt go public with a picture of that nature, but that is my choice. Michelle Duggar’s choice to make them public is her choice. If you don’t like the content….don’t look. Also, before being so critical of someone else, hope and pray you never find yourself in their postion.
John commented on Dec 21 11 at 8:19 pmHooey.
Mrs. Duggar chose to air her personal grief in the public square. She should expect a general public response. Most rational people don’t want to be suddenly faced with pictures of a dead human fetus. I didn’t know who these people were until hearing about their reproductive histrionics and reality show about a week before news of their loss was released. While I feel for any family who has had such a loss, to thrust it into the public square then play the victim when those outside their ‘target market’ are appalled is the height of entitlement. The Duggars are likely fine people but are certainly emblematic of America’s ‘me disease.’
Frankly, I find it disturbing and incredibly distasteful; both the show and their choice to publicize/profit from this death.
Maggie commented on Dec 21 11 at 8:38 pmIn all honesty, I understand the family’s grief, and more so the parent’s grief. However, making the photos public in my humble opinion is controversial. If they chose to keep it private that’s one thing but to photograph a deceased baby and make it public is just not sitting right with me..just my thoughts. I am not judging them and I am very sorry for their loss. Perhaps God, the universe or mother nature is telling this woman that she needs to stop procreating due to her age. It’s not worth risking her health or life to bring another child into this world, and also risking the unborn child’s life. In all honesty, she is very blessed and needs to focus on what she has been given. Just my thoughts.
Peggy commented on Dec 22 11 at 11:34 amThank-you for this thoughtful and well-written piece. I actually knew nothing of this and I am not going to look it up as I don’t feel the need to pry into this family’s private matters. Sadly in this world of Facebook and Twitter, things that were not meant to be public often become so unexpectedly. I am often amazed at comments people will post online with no thought about how it will affect the end receiver. Just because someone’s private life found it’s way into the public domain, does not mean that they should expect to hear everyone’s criticisms. I remember a few years ago coming across a memorial site for a teen who died when he crashed his car into a tree. Yes, he was driving irresponsibly, but my jaw dropped when I saw comments like “he deserved to die” and “one more idiot off the road.” If you wouldn’t say it to someone’s face then don’t post it as a comment, or “if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all.” Keep hurtful comments to yourself or discuss with your family and friends, but let the people grieving over their loss grieve without your commentary. Reality TV show family or not (which I didn’t even know until I started reading some of the comments….guess I don’t watch much outside of American Chopper and Deadliest Catch)
Anyway, thanks again Katie for your words. Hopefully they will resonate with a few more people.
Karen Fleming commented on Dec 22 11 at 3:23 pmA well written letter. Thank you. I love watching the Duggar’s. While I wanted many children, I also miscarried my 1st pregnancy. From the moment I learned I was pregnant, it was a BABY. Not a fetus, but my BABY. I do not have a picture of the baby I miscarried. I just know in my heart that my baby is with Jesus. We all grieve differently & 26 years later it is not easier. Many of my so called friends & co-workers told me to ” get over it”. So just leave them alone to grieve for their daughter. You don’t have to watch the show. God has graced them with these children who are well taken care of, home schooled & very intelligent. I will keep this family in prayer. Maybe through all of this, there will be a better understanding of what we women go through when a pregnacy ends so tragicly
Kim Crawford commented on Dec 22 11 at 5:50 pmFor someone who lost their child in the 38th week of pregnancy I was offered a lot of choices when I gave birth to my child. One of those options was photos taken of my child provided by the same people who take pictures of the babies in the hospital. They provided their services for free. This is the only memory I will have of my child. Her picture is displayed right next to my son’s. To those who haven’t lost a child before giving birth do not throw the 1st stone because you truthfully don’t know what you would do to make the only thing you will ever have of this child. I have a lock of her hair and her foot prints. It has been 18yrs and I treasure her picture. My thoughts and prayers are with the Duggars.
Kelly commented on Dec 23 11 at 1:19 amRespect? Well, that’s not the word I would use. Sorry, but I choose common sense over political correctness. Twenty children isn’t a family. It’s a litter. You can’t have a personal relationship with 20 children. Showing pictures of a dead fetus is disgusting. Period.
Heather Spohr commented on Dec 23 11 at 1:40 amSeriously Ralph? Because the Duggars can’t claim the child as a deduction on their taxes they shouldn’t grieve? Come on. Where is your heart?
annon commented on Dec 23 11 at 6:57 pmI lost my first child after just over a day old. It was so beyond horrible that I cannot describe the feelings of grief and saddness. I cherish the few photos I have and the best ones were taken as she was dying. I keep these photos up in my home and I wear a locket with some of my baby’s hair in it. I am now a volunteer who does peer counseling with women who have any sort of pregnancy or infant loss. I have learned that there is no magically week in which one loss is worse or harder than an earlier loss. Grief is highly personal and I don’t think anyone has the right to criticize how the Duggars choose to deal with their loss.
Frank N. Stein commented on Dec 24 11 at 7:35 pmI know these people have received a lot of criticism, so I tried to stay open-minded about their lifestyle. The Duggars decided to leave the number of kids they have “up to God” and I think that’s lovely. But to them, its only lovely if God sees it fit to give them more, and more, and more!
Well, God decided that they don’t need twenty children. They’ve been blessed with 19 of them, and they still seem unsatisfied. There’s plenty of loving couples out there who’d love to have ONE, and can’t. They should be grateful for what they have, and stop whoring out their family for money! Plus, didn’t the last one she had almost die? Get a clue, lady! That should have been a red flag that this one may not make it.
As for the picture, I think its pretty tasteless. Would not have been my choice. But then again, I am not a deranged lunatic selling the rights to my family’s personal life to TLC. (Hey, I tried to stay open minded.)
Jennifer commented on Dec 27 11 at 7:10 amThank you Katie I couldn’t agree more! I too lost a CHILD at 16 weeks this year. Although it was my choice NOT to take pictures, I held my BABY, named her and love her still today. My BABY was not just a fetus, my DAUGHTER had hands, legs, a heart… No one can tell me that she wasn’t a child. Is the technical term for what I went through a miscarriage, yes it is, BUT I went through 10 hours of labor to have her. So again, she was a child. As for some postings about this not grieving any longer because she posted about it in some blog…everyone grieves differently and her grief can help a mother who has lost a baby through some of the worst moments they feel. What people seem to forget is that you may not agree with a person’s way of dealing with a loss but it has nothing to do with you. Did she send you an email or a birth announcement of the loss of her daughter? NO you went and looked at the pictures, read her blogs and then passed judgment. For those of you who believe God decided they didn’t need 20 children, i am not sure which God you pray to but the Lord, my Savior, was not malicious in his plan for me, did not set out to teach me a lesson, in no way thought that I should feel the pain of a loss…What he did do for me is listen when I was angry, placed many wonderful people in my life to help comfort me, and gave me peace when I felt troubled. My gracious God could only know the outcome of my pregnancy and positioned me, in my life, to work through the pain. For those who think God purposely hurt this family, maybe you should take a step back and remember what God you serve. Again Thank you Katie for being open minded in a situation that only Michelle Duggar can know, because although I lost my daughter in my 2nd trimester I have no idea how she feels, I can only understand the tremendous amount of pain that she is working through.
Rusty commented on Dec 27 11 at 2:33 pmI feel everyone should take pictures of dead loved ones and post them on the internet. Isnt that the logic here, “whatever makes your grieving process go better?” So be it then, lets just have people post pictures of dead family members, without any lip service from folks that think its absurd or wrong or creep or morbid or just plain silly.
Lisa commented on Dec 31 11 at 9:32 amThank you for a well written, kind, and thoughtful post. I also thank you for recognizing that women who have early pregnancy losses may experience life changing grief. I did. Since that loss I know have living children, and perhaps I might not react the same way to a miscarriage now. I find it hard to agree with certain choices that Michelle and Jim Bob make, but certainly their loss should be treated with kindness. It’s unfortunate that their choice to make these photos publicly available (or not) was pre-empted by a relative’s tweet.
Meagan H commented on Jan 02 12 at 2:04 amThis is why I read this blog I agree with just about everything you’ve said. I do not like the Duggars, I find them mysoginstic and preachy, but I do feel for them now that they are dealing with this loss. It always shocks me how cruel people can be when hiding behind screen names. I know you’ve dealt with your own critics after you lost Henry and its things like that make me feel ashamed of the human race. I wish we had more room for compassion and less for critics in this world of ours.
Meg commented on Jan 02 12 at 1:48 pmI keep hearing “How selfish are they…” and “They are asking for attention…” and I think the opposite is more likely true. Clearly, the Duggars are not the first family to experience a miscarriage, and they are not going to be the last ones in the history of the universe. They are a family in the public eye, and by sharing their experience (intended or not), they are probably doing more good than by retreating. No family deserves to be ridiculed for how they grieve, but they are showing that it is NORMAL to want to openly acknowledge a life lost. Does everyone grieve the same way? No. But maybe being open has allowed some other mother to say, “I lost a baby too, and da**, it hurts,” rather than feeling the need to continue on as if their world hasn’t just stopped still. Not everyone has to grieve in that manner, but nobody should feel they can’t grieve in a way that helps them move on. Hopefully sharing their pain brings good out of something terribly heart-rending.
Jessica commented on Jan 03 12 at 1:55 pmI find it interesting that most “pro-choicers” see their OWN unborn babies as human beings, but everyone else’s as blobs of tissue. Just sayin’
ChristineMM commented on Jan 24 12 at 1:42 pmVery well written piece, thank you.
I just wanted to say that it is not just Victorians who take photos, the tradition is not over yet. My grandmother took photos of the dead relatives, the last died one she directed to be photographed was in 1989. Then when she passed in 2008 my father wanted a picture of his mother in the coffin so I guess the tradition was passed to his generation! I’m the family photographer so guess whose camera took the photos? Who am I to argue with a grieving loved one? Although left to my free will I will not be photographing any more dead bodies. I take a lot of the people while they are alive!
Scentsy Buy Scentsy Candles Join Scentsy Wickless Candles Host a Candle Party Free Candles commented on Apr 18 12 at 9:57 pmThanx for sharing such an interesting and informative post.
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